• Israeli Prime Minister threatens to expel Al-Jazeera from the country, citing promoting violence
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[quote]Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday said he would work to close the Jerusalem offices of al-Jazeera, accusing the Qatar-based television news network of inciting recent violence in the city. Jerusalem is experiencing one of its most tense periods in years as Palestinians protest against heightened Israeli security measures near the Temple Mount-Noble Sanctuary compound, one of the city’s holiest sites. The events have been widely reported, including by al-Jazeera. “The al-Jazeera network continues to stir violence around the Temple Mount,” Netanyahu wrote on his Facebook page in Hebrew. [/quote] [url]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/27/benjamin-netanyahu-threatens-to-expel-al-jazeera-from-israel[/url] Very short article. Interesting that Israel is rallying against a Qatar based station while SA rallies against Qatar :thinking:
Israel's hated Al Jazeera for a long time, this doesn't really have to do anything with KSA
Israel has no right as a western country to ban a news agency unless they are actively supporting terrorist.
[QUOTE=Megadave;52523482]Israel has no right as a western country to ban a news agency unless they are actively supporting terrorist.[/QUOTE] "Western country"? Please it's an apartheid state thats only tolerated because its the main U.S backed ally in the region.
[QUOTE=Sky King;52523490]"Western country"? Please it's an apartheid state thats only tolerated because its the main U.S backed ally in the region.[/QUOTE] By and far a more western country than any of the neighbors around it.
[QUOTE=Sky King;52523490]"Western country"? Please it's an apartheid state thats only tolerated because its the main U.S backed ally in the region.[/QUOTE] Well yeah, but they like to call themselves a western country so I figure while they are calling themselves that they should uphold to western values. Or something like that idk.
[QUOTE=Sky King;52523490]"Western country"? Please it's an apartheid state thats only tolerated because its the main U.S backed ally in the region.[/QUOTE] how is israel an apartheid state lol
I wouldn't mind, especially when its known for a fact that Al Jazeera are known to twist stories with their extremely ignorant and outrageous titles and articles (latest example being the terrorist attack in jerusalem that killed 2 police officers) and glorifying of martyrs that causes incitement and results in more similar copycat attacks. But for once, its free speech. Therefore its debateable if this is a violation of freedom of speech or not. In my opinion this is the same case of letting an extremist and anti-west newspaper operate in the heart of a western country. Because of this i see no logic in letting a newspaper agency that opposes the existance of the same country it operates in to continue its work there. Would love to hear your opinions though, lets have a proper debate for once.
[QUOTE=RzDat;52525154]In my opinion this is the same case of letting an extremist and anti-west newspaper operate in the heart of a western country. Because of this i see no logic in letting a newspaper agency that opposes the existance of the same country it operates in to continue its work there.[/QUOTE] I can't speak for every country but I'm pretty sure this is completely legal in the US specifically because of the first amendment.
[QUOTE=RzDat;52525154]I wouldn't mind, especially when its known for a fact that Al Jazeera are known to twist stories with their extremely ignorant and outrageous titles and articles (latest example being the terrorist attack in jerusalem that killed 2 police officers) and glorifying of martyrs that causes incitement and results in more similar copycat attacks. But for once, its free speech. Therefore its debateable if this is a violation of freedom of speech or not. In my opinion this is the same case of letting an extremist and anti-west newspaper operate in the heart of a western country. Because of this i see no logic in letting a newspaper agency that opposes the existance of the same country it operates in to continue its work there. Would love to hear your opinions though, lets have a proper debate for once.[/QUOTE] If you truly believe in free speech then you cannot be of the position that being heavily biased to a cause is grounds for being silenced. Is there any evidence that it "causes incitement and results in more similar copycat attacks" or is that speculation? That said, 'free speech' is already regulated to differing extents in a lot of countries. Like you said it depends where you stand on the concept.
[QUOTE=RzDat;52525154]I wouldn't mind, especially when its known for a fact that Al Jazeera are known to twist stories with their extremely ignorant and outrageous titles and articles (latest example being the terrorist attack in jerusalem that killed 2 police officers) and glorifying of martyrs that causes incitement and results in more similar copycat attacks. But for once, its free speech. Therefore its debateable if this is a violation of freedom of speech or not. In my opinion this is the same case of letting an extremist and anti-west newspaper operate in the heart of a western country. Because of this i see no logic in letting a newspaper agency that opposes the existance of the same country it operates in to continue its work there. Would love to hear your opinions though, lets have a proper debate for once.[/QUOTE] There's plenty of news sites that I disagree with, a lot that twist the news to incomprehensible levels or just make a mockery of the notion of journalism, from Info Wars to Fox News to the Daily Mail. There are already anti-west newspapers that operate in the United States, one of them being Russia Today. You don't pick or choose what news you want to watch. It's either free speech or not, and any attempts to censor leads to a very dangerous path. We've already got a President that is "anti-press", and it's really not helping the political situation in the States at all. Let's say Israel decides to ban Al-Jazeera. Do you really think that terrorism will take a downturn? Do you really think the glorification of martyrs will even be slightly affected? No. I would argue that it would deepen the schism between Israel and the rest of the Middle East, because you're continuing to alienate the Muslim population. It sends a message that Israel regards only Jewish newspapers and news sites to operate in Israel, and that anything else is simply calumny. You're simply tending to the flames by banning the agency. That being said, I do dislike Al-Jazeera's output of news within the Middle East. Which is strange, because their US-centric news seem to be totally fine and relatively unbiased.
[QUOTE=Crumpet;52525269]If you truly believe in free speech then you cannot be of the position that being heavily biased to a cause is grounds for being silenced. Is there any evidence that it "causes incitement and results in more similar copycat attacks" or is that speculation? That said, free speech is already regulated to differing extents in a lot of countries. Like you said it depends where you stand on the concept.[/QUOTE] You're right, being pro free speech means i cannot support silencing certain news sources i cannot agree with, that's the downside. Netanyahu's threats on closing the news network on behalf of his own decision is wrong, therefore i think the old democratic way of letting the public decide is the most fair to both sides. I cant give you exact evidence that Al Jazeera is promoting violence, but a large part of incitement comes out from the arab media twisting and hiding facts. For example, the recent events in Jerusalem following the terrorist attack on temple mount that took the lives of two police officers was given a negetive outlook by Al Jazeera, primarily after the security measures taken after the attack. I quote from an Al Jazeera article: [quote]The al-Aqsa metal detectors aren't a security measure Israel has been using the pretext of security to quietly continue the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their land. Yesterday, thousands of Palestinians came to Jerusalem to perform the most simple, most peaceful act: prayer. Palestinians - Muslims and Christians, women and men, young and old - prayed in the streets after refusing to enter through the new metal detectors and barricades erected by Israel in front of the al-Aqsa compound. Israeli forces, armed with live ammunition, stun grenades, sound bombs, water cannon and tear gas, came prepared to kill. And they did: by the day's end Israeli forces and armed settlers had killed three young Palestinian men and injured more than 450 others, some of them very seriously. Israeli forces even raided a Palestinian hospital in an attempt to arrest those injured by their weaponry.[/quote] Misinformation and ridiculous victim complex style of writing like this should not appear in large news agencies around the world, its not professional and only leads to more violence. An arab from uhm el-fahem was angry enough to execute a revenge attack on a nearby settlement of halmish that ended up with 3 Jewish family members brutally slain with a knife in their own house. The terrorist is currently alive, and a quick investigation of his facebook profile proved that his actions were motivated by the metal detectors in temple mount as reported by these inciting sources. Incitement in the media is a serious problem, especially on the palestinian side, but when sources like Al Jazeera spreads false rumors and twisted facts, it can ONLY lead to more violence. [QUOTE=Omilinon;52525405]There's plenty of news sites that I disagree with, a lot that twist the news to incomprehensible levels or just make a mockery of the notion of journalism, from Info Wars to Fox News to the Daily Mail. There are already anti-west newspapers that operate in the United States, one of them being Russia Today. You don't pick or choose what news you want to watch. It's either free speech or not, and any attempts to censor leads to a very dangerous path. We've already got a President that is "anti-press", and it's really not helping the political situation in the States at all. Let's say Israel decides to ban Al-Jazeera. Do you really think that terrorism will take a downturn? Do you really think the glorification of martyrs will even be slightly affected? No. I would argue that it would deepen the schism between Israel and the rest of the Middle East, because you're continuing to alienate the Muslim population. It sends a message that Israel regards only Jewish newspapers and news sites to operate in Israel, and that anything else is simply calumny. You're simply tending to the flames by banning the agency. That being said, I do dislike Al-Jazeera's output of news within the Middle East. Which is strange, because their US-centric news seem to be totally fine and relatively unbiased.[/QUOTE] I agree with your point, banning the news agency will only put more gasoline into the fire, and that it will not decrease the lone wolf attacks. However i doubt the fact that doing so will alienate Arabs. There are many liberal and left wing news sources in Israel like Haaretz, and a large part of these news outlets have arab journalists so its not primarily considered a Jewish news agency. However it is a dangerous path, i'll agree on that one.
Can we expel Netanyahu on the same motion? He certainly hasn't been helping with keeping the violence down in this country.
[QUOTE=Omilinon;52525405] Let's say Israel decides to ban Al-Jazeera. Do you really think that terrorism will take a downturn? Do you really think the glorification of martyrs will even be slightly affected? No. I would argue that it would deepen the schism between Israel and the rest of the Middle East, because you're continuing to alienate the Muslim population. It sends a message that Israel regards only Jewish newspapers and news sites to operate in Israel, and that anything else is simply calumny. You're simply tending to the flames by banning the agency. .[/QUOTE] most people hate Aljazeera anyway, banning them from Israel probably won't have that much impact (it's already banned from multiple Arab countries)
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