• Google announces deal with Verizion, it's worse than expected
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[QUOTE=The Huffington Post]So Google and Verizon went public today with their "policy framework" -- better known as the pact to end the Internet as we know it. News of this deal broke this week, sparking a public outcry that's seen hundreds of thousands of Internet users calling on Google to live up to its "Don't Be Evil" pledge. But cut through the platitudes the two companies (Googizon, anyone?) offered on today's press call, and you'll find this deal is even worse than advertised. The proposal is one massive loophole that sets the stage for the corporate takeover of the Internet. Real Net Neutrality means that Internet service providers can't discriminate between different kinds of online content and applications. It guarantees a level playing field for all Web sites and Internet technologies. It's what makes sure the next Google, out there in a garage somewhere, has just as good a chance as any giant corporate behemoth to find its audience and thrive online. What Google and Verizon are proposing is fake Net Neutrality. You can read their framework for yourself here or go here to see Google twisting itself in knots about this suddenly "thorny issue." But here are the basics of what the two companies are proposing: [b]1. Under their proposal, there would be no Net Neutrality on wireless networks -- meaning anything goes, from blocking websites and applications to pay-for-priority treatment.[/b] 2. Their proposed standard for "non-discrimination" on wired networks is so weak that [b]actions like Comcast's widely denounced blocking of BitTorrent would be allowed.[/b] [b]3. The deal would let ISPs like Verizon -- instead of Internet users like you -- decide which applications deserve the best quality of service. That's not the way the Internet has ever worked, and it threatens to close the door on tomorrow's innovative applications. (If RealPlayer had been favored a few years ago, would we ever have gotten YouTube?)[/b] [b]4. The deal would allow ISPs to effectively split the Internet into "two pipes" -- one of which would be reserved for "managed services," a pay-for-play platform for content and applications. This is the proverbial toll road on the information superhighway, a fast lane reserved for the select few, while the rest of us are stuck on the cyber-equivalent of a winding dirt road.[/b] [b]5. The pact proposes to turn the Federal Communications Commission into a toothless watchdog, left fruitlessly chasing consumer complaints but unable to make rules of its own.[/b] Instead, it would leave it up to unaccountable (and almost surely industry-controlled) third parties to decide what the rules should be. If there's a silver lining in this whole fiasco it's that, last I checked anyway, it wasn't up to Google and Verizon to write the rules. That's why we have Congress and the FCC. Certainly by now we should have learned -- from AIG, Massey Energy, BP, you name it -- what happens when we let big companies regulate themselves or hope they'll do the right thing. We need the FCC -- with the backing of Congress and President Obama -- to step and do the hard work of governing. That means restoring the FCC's authority to protect Internet users and safeguarding real Net Neutrality once and for all. Such a move might not be popular on Wall Street or even in certain corners of Silicon Valley, but it's the kind of leadership the public needs right now. If you haven't yet told the FCC why we need Net Neutrality, [url=http://savetheinternet.com/fcc-comments]please do it now.[/url][/QUOTE] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/craig-aaron/google-verizon-pact-it-ge_b_676194.html[/url] As soon as other ISP's start figuring out they can start making more money like this then it's just a matter of time before this corporate takeover of the internet spreads like a wildfire. The Google machine must be stopped now.
Well it won't stop and you're screwed, businesses will do what they want and now you can't pirate shit so easily. Deal with it.
So you have great plan to stop all this? And it doesn't involve violence or firebombing? Please share. edit: cue this in ten years [img]http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/9/2010/08/1a1c8dfb8bbf4e9cf22db46f463bc248/original.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;23962637][url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/craig-aaron/google-verizon-pact-it-ge_b_676194.html[/url] As soon as other ISP's start figuring out they can start making more money like this then it's just a matter of time before this corporate takeover of the internet spreads like a wildfire. The Google machine must be stopped now.[/QUOTE] And then you would have at least one ISP who figures out that they can make money out of not pulling the same shit as everyone else, and hey presto, you got yourself several millions of users. :sax:
I was halfway surprised Google hadn't gone evil already, they're fucking monolithic. Hopefully nothing like this gets passed, but with the money these corporations have, who knows.
Fuck. You. Google.
Let's all switch to Bing so Google loses money :downs:
[QUOTE=Rasrap Smurf;23962722]Let's all switch to Bing so Google loses money :downs:[/QUOTE] Hey remember when Micro$oft was thought to be the big evil corporation in the tech world and everyone hated them? Oh how times change.
As much as I hate the FCC, they need to get off their fat, lobbied, asses and do something about this.
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23962756]Hey remember when Micro$oft was thought to be the big evil corporation in the tech world and everyone hated them? Oh how times change.[/QUOTE] Everyone needs a bandwagon.
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23962756]Hey remember when Micro$oft was thought to be the big evil corporation in the tech world and everyone hated them?[/QUOTE] With good reasons* [QUOTE=Lightbourne;23962778]Everyone needs a bandwagon.[/QUOTE] The microsoft hate sure is a bandwagon, has nothing to do with their business tactics right? :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Lightbourne;23962670]Well it won't stop and you're screwed, businesses will do what they want and now you can't pirate shit so easily. Deal with it.[/QUOTE] What does this have to do with pirating
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;23962674]So you have great plan to stop all this? And it doesn't involve violence or firebombing? Please share.[/QUOTE] Using Yahoo would be a good start. And using a non-google browser. The problem right now is most of the general public doesn't know what net neutrality is, or what it means that nothing is going to happen unless there's mass boycott or mass protest outside of Google's headquarters. But with the power of the internet, anything is possible. But it won't be in the future if Google starts to treat more ISP's like this.
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;23962808]And using a non-google browser.[/QUOTE] Everyone is already using Firefox, Opera or some Chromium-based browser instead of Chrome.
[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;23962792]With good reasons* The microsoft hate sure is a bandwagon, has nothing to do with their business tactics right? :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] Here let's get this argument started What business tactics by MS were so terrible? While they were mildly monopolistic, that was more due to the massive uptake of Windows than shutting out competing OSs
I hope facepunch costs 9.99$ to access and you get no other websites with it.
Looks like it's time to buy a copy of the anarchists cookbook and get to firebombing.
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;23962808]Using Yahoo would be a good start. And using a non-google browser. The problem right now is most of the general public doesn't know what net neutrality is, or what it means that nothing is going to happen unless there's mass boycott or mass protest outside of Google's headquarters. But with the power of the internet, anything is possible. But it won't be in the future, if Google starts to treat more ISP's like this.[/QUOTE] Unless you can rally 7 million people to do this as well it's not going to work.
[url]http://googlepublicpolicy.blogspot.com/2010/08/joint-policy-proposal-for-open-internet.html[/url] I might have read this wrong but is it basically Google are saying how they can't prioritise any internet content when it's wireline... But don't mention that topic when it comes to wirelessness?
I'm probably going to end up moving to Sweden the way things are going.
[QUOTE=Google, August 9th 2010]Second, we agree that in addition to these existing principles there should be a new, enforceable prohibition against discriminatory practices. This means that for the first time, wireline broadband providers would not be able to discriminate against or prioritize lawful Internet content, applications or services in a way that causes harm to users or competition.[/QUOTE] Wait, what?
damnit google
My children are ready to be released. Soon my babies soon. Soon I will feed you the Google.
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23962756]Hey remember when Micro$oft was thought to be the big evil corporation in the tech world and everyone hated them? Oh how times change.[/QUOTE] Because it was and partly still is. Can't deny all the legal shit they lost.
:psyduck: What happened to "Don't be evil"?
[QUOTE=Dolton;23962998]Wait, what?[/QUOTE] Sounds like a sneaky way of allowing Google to pay Verizon to favor its traffic. The last part of that statement is so vague that it could mean anything.
[QUOTE=Splurgy_A;23963111]:psyduck: What happened to "Don't be evil"?[/QUOTE] Money.
[url=http://www.google.com/help/netneutrality_letter.html]Hi, we're a bunch of two faced bastards![/url] [quote=2006]A Note to Google Users on Net Neutrality: The Internet as we know it is facing a serious threat. There's a debate heating up in Washington, DC on something called "net neutrality" – and it's a debate that's so important Google is asking you to get involved. We're asking you to take action to protect Internet freedom. In the next few days, the House of Representatives is going to vote on a bill that would fundamentally alter the Internet. That bill, and one that may come up for a key vote in the Senate in the next few weeks, would give the big phone and cable companies the power to pick and choose what you will be able to see and do on the Internet. Today the Internet is an information highway where anybody – no matter how large or small, how traditional or unconventional – has equal access. But the phone and cable monopolies, who control almost all Internet access, want the power to choose who gets access to high-speed lanes and whose content gets seen first and fastest. They want to build a two-tiered system and block the on-ramps for those who can't pay. Creativity, innovation and a free and open marketplace are all at stake in this fight. Please call your representative (202-224-3121) and let your voice be heard. Thanks for your time, your concern and your support. Eric Schmidt[/quote] [editline]04:50PM[/editline] [quote]Media Contacts Contact Us Email our press team at [email]press-uk@google.com[/email]. For non-urgent matters, call: +44 (0) 20 7031 3130 to leave a message. [b] If you aren't a member of the press, you will not receive a response. [/b] For all other inquiries, please visit our Help Centre.[/quote] Not so "new media" friendly now, Google?
[QUOTE=plokoon9619;23962857]I hope facepunch costs 9.99$ to access and you get no other websites with it.[/QUOTE] It would be a part of the blogging package :v:
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