McCain Amends Water Resource Bill To Expand FBI Surveillance

[frankpetrov]

[QUOTE]The modification would give the Director of the FBI the power to request information and records pertaining to personally identifiable information. Such data includes, but is not limited to, e-mail addresses, telephone numbers, login history, “means and sources of payment for services (including any card or bank account information),” internet protocol addresses, routing or transmission information, and “session times and durations for an electronic communication.”[/QUOTE]

[url]http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/14/mccain-amends-water-resource-bill-to-expand-fbi-surveillance/[/url]

Shot like this should be illegal. No reason for the FBI to need this information without a valid reason. If they have one, get a warrant.

[Nahash]

Honestly, I really wish that there was a rule establishing that riders to a law have to be directly relevant.

[EmperorScorpious]

How is this not a blatant violation of the 4th Amendment?

[Mr Skeltal]

Someone should make a rider law to make rider laws illegal.

[Potus]

[QUOTE=Svinnik;51092837]Honestly, I really wish that there was a rule establishing that riders to a law have to be directly relevant.[/QUOTE]

This really needs to happen because fuck bill riders. They are usually the reason bills get shot down because each side tries to add all sorts of unrelated nonsense to a bill

[editline]23rd September 2016[/editline]

Also do we know of the amendment failed to pass or is the water bill screwed?

[frankpetrov]

[QUOTE=Potus;51092912]This really needs to happen because fuck bill riders. They are usually the reason bills get shot down because each side tries to add all sorts of unrelated nonsense to a bill

[editline]23rd September 2016[/editline]

Also do we know of the amendment failed to pass or is the water bill screwed?[/QUOTE]

It's still under revision

[JumpinJackFlash]

[QUOTE=Potus;51092912]They are usually the reason bills get shot down because each side tries to add all sorts of unrelated nonsense to a bill[/QUOTE]This right fucking here.

Riders do serve a purpose but their potential benefits are drastically outweighed by the nasty shit they bring to the table, this entire situation is precisely why they're awful. On top of that they're an artificial means to expedite the speed of government and anyone who paid even a little bit of attention in school knows our legislative process was designed to be [U]slow[/U] for good reasons. I think now more than ever those reasons exist and all these little papercuts against our rights are one of them.

[theevilldeadII]

-sNip-

[DIOBRANDO]

The issue is what would be an alternate that works on a large scale for allowing things to go through on compromise without it basically just becoming a bribe?

And then you have to create a group that makes sure it doesn't over time become twisted out of it's intended purpose, but then what about that group over time?

Obviously this doesn't mean we should give up on reform or change, but that it is in itself going to be very difficult to implement, not to mention finding something new that a large portion of people will agree on and wont fall subject to the same rot this current system has.

All and all a pretty daunting endeavor. But if you people feel passionate about it, pursue it because we mostly all sit and talk about how messed up the system is but were not actively working to try and fix it.

[Download]

Omnibus bills should be illegal.

[JumpinJackFlash]

[QUOTE=1chains1;51093017]The issue is what would be an alternate that works on a large scale for allowing things to go through on compromise without it basically just becoming a bribe?[/QUOTE]I don't know, maybe making it so "riders" don't exist at all and actually debate over and amend the bill itself if you want compromises?

There is literally no reason why dangling a carrot for some unrelated bill in the name of "compromise" would ever be okay, this practice is in the gray area of possible political corruption. Tacking on some stupid rider to kill a bill is straight up sabotage at best and blackmail at the worst.

[Anderan]

The worst part is there's almost no reason for each side not to use riders. They just have to tack one onto a bill they know their opponents will never approve of and when they inevitably vote against it the party that put it there can go "See! They opposed welfare for the elderly!" or whatever. But if it passes they get some stupid unrelated bullshit they wanted passed to actually pass.

[Kuro.]

Better yet, attach a 'Riders must be relevant to the bill attached' rider to a Homeland Security/defense budget bill. Check and mate.