• Film Theory: Neo ISN'T The One in The Matrix Trilogy [SPOILERS: HOLY SHIT IT'S TRUE]
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[video=youtube;VkMU1mKdwPI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkMU1mKdwPI[/video] I should not have watched this video.
The real world is actually just another layer of the Matrix designed to keep humans busy, with all brakes removed in the "real" layer so shit goes completely insane in that layer.
Nah, as usual he's just misinterpreting a bunch of semi-ambiguous plot details from the films and using them to support his theory that doesn't make sense at all. [editline]15th September 2015[/editline] Neo's journey to the Source in the third film was a result of him rejecting the choice given to him by the Architect where previous Ones in previous versions of the Matrix accepted their fate and allowed their code to be broken down and to initiate a reload. He's still the One, but he ended up making a much different journey and making different choices than the others did in the past, which happened to result in the cycle of reloads being broken and the machines actually making peace with the humans instead of annihilating Zion like they did at the end of every other cycle. Agent Smith and his rogue takeover of the Matrix was an integral part in Neo's bargain with the Deus Ex, but he can't be the One because he's just a program, not an actual human.
Also, Smith loses because his directive is to get rid of the chosen one. Once he's done his job, he disappears.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;48688930]Also, Smith loses because his directive is to get rid of the chosen one. Once he's done his job, he disappears.[/QUOTE] Not even that. The Agents are all pawns in the system too. They only exist to maintain order and minimize the number of people freed by the redpilled humans. Chances are that they're programmed to hinder, but not altogether stop the One from entering the Source (but they're still allowed to kill any other redpilled humans who attack them or try to disrupt order in the system) because if they were allowed to kill the One, the cycle would never continue, the Matrix would destabilize, and both humans and machines would cease to be. Smith went rogue when he actually managed to kill Neo and resisted deletion after he was destined to go.
I think this argument holds up pretty well actually. At the very least, it exposes how vague the real plot is and how it can be easily interpreted differently.
While this certainly isn't a bad theory, I really don't think the folks who made the Matrix movies were actually thinking this, and Neo simply really is the One. Still fun speculation though.
Seeing the record of the Wachowskis they CERTAINLY didn't imply it that way. They got lucky.
This is in a way cute and it's all fine and dandy that people go over things like that as their hobby but lot of it is imho grasping at straws and trying to see leads where they aren't. If anyone wants to claim that Agent Smith was "the one" then they should remember that Neo was who basically created him, or more correctly, changed him in a way that made him distinct from all the other agents, so even if you wanted to give Agent Smith all the credit, it was originally Neo who gave him the power.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48689263]This is in a way cute and it's all fine and dandy that people go over things like that as their hobby but lot of it is imho grasping at straws and trying to see leads where they aren't. If anyone wants to claim that Agent Smith was "the one" then they should remember that Neo was who basically created him, or more correctly, changed him in a way that made him distinct from all the other agents, so even if you wanted to give Agent Smith all the credit, it was originally Neo who gave him the power.[/QUOTE] He clearly explains in the video that Smith was distinct way before that.
This works, only because it relies on check boxes that exist. It's because of Matrix's ambiguous writing that it allows those check boxes to exist, and lead to another conclusion.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48689263]This is in a way cute and it's all fine and dandy that people go over things like that as their hobby but lot of it is imho grasping at straws and trying to see leads where they aren't. If anyone wants to claim that Agent Smith was "the one" then they should remember that Neo was who basically created him, or more correctly, changed him in a way that made him distinct from all the other agents, so even if you wanted to give Agent Smith all the credit, it was originally Neo who gave him the power.[/QUOTE] And Morpheus unplugged Neo.
this guy's voice really grates on me after a few minutes
[QUOTE=BigSmokeDawg;48689482]this guy's voice really grates on me after a few minutes[/QUOTE] the over presentation of his voice comes from his theatre background where presentation is important because you have to force your voice to communicate across a very large room. you either hate it because of how forced it is or you like it because of how presented it is. it's probably game theories biggest shortcoming besides the fact that sometimes the theories are retarded.
Fundamental flaw with this: The prophecy wasn't made by a human or a god or anything from outside of matrix, it was made by a program. To repeat the fucking cycle. It was a way of keeping the anomaly in check and make it return to the source. This is all explained in the conversation with architect. You can't treat the prophecy as truth. The oracle wasn't 100% honest. She was doing her job to guide humans and the anomaly to repeat the cycle. (Although she did have her own agenda, she was waiting patiently for an anomaly among anomalies, that would actually change things.) Analyzing a lie fed to humans in the movie and making conclusions about the movie is nonsensical.
[QUOTE=Satane;48689594]How else would you explain neo controlling the robots with his mind[/QUOTE] Bad plot?
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;48689862]Fundamental flaw with this: The prophecy wasn't made by a human or a god or anything from outside of matrix, it was made by a program. To repeat the fucking cycle. It was a way of keeping the anomaly in check and make it return to the source. This is all explained in the conversation with architect. You can't treat the prophecy as truth. The oracle wasn't 100% honest. She was doing her job to guide humans and the anomaly to repeat the cycle. (Although she did have her own agenda, she was waiting patiently for an anomaly among anomalies, that would actually change things.) Analyzing a lie fed to humans in the movie and making conclusions about the movie is nonsensical.[/QUOTE] the whole video is about analysing who the anomaly is you have made no contrary point except to claim that this is nonsensical without explaining why
[QUOTE=Hogie bear;48689984]Bad plot?[/QUOTE] The theory I mentioned literally exists to explain the retarded plot of the second and third movies.
Holy shit. If this is true, I have a new respect for the franchise (well, the latter two films, anyway) -- it'd be really nice to get some verification from the Watchowskis... that'd blow my mind, truly.
Off topic but.. That guys first upload was 3 months ago... Something really off when you gain that much of a following that fast.
what if Neo and agent smith were both the one or were neither the one until the times they are joined together to become the one.
this is a really old theory though i remember actual fp threads about it years ago
[QUOTE=SpaceLink;48690894]Off topic but.. That guys first upload was 3 months ago... Something really off when you gain that much of a following that fast.[/QUOTE] it's the same people that do a similar series called Game Theory; cross-channel advertising of related same-owner channels
It's been years and years since I've seen these films but I always thought that predeterminism was a big point; that Neo didn't care whether or not he was the one, but he fought anyway because he chose to, because they all chose to. And Smith decided to rebel because he chose to. I recognize what the theory is saying but I always got the impression that the central point was that of free will trumping all. And this sorta flies in the face of that. I need to watch the movies again, though.
i think that if this was real they would have included it in the actual film as an unexpected twist, since, you know, its really good.
yes he is there's a very crucial scene where The Oracle told Neo "you're not The One." but then she went on to say that he has to discover for himself that he is the One, that he "has the gift" (free will) and only he can truly know. he ended up discovering that he is in fact The One and chose to go down the rabbit hole.. in a sense he "became" The One one other pretty obvious and huge thing is that "Neo" is an anagram of "One" [QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;48691106]It's been years and years since I've seen these films but I always thought that predeterminism was a big point; that Neo didn't care whether or not he was the one, but he fought anyway because he chose to, because they all chose to. And Smith decided to rebel because he chose to.[/QUOTE] yeah, exactly. you don't have to be a genius to see that free will is a giant motif throughout the series. this guy is grasping at straws and missing the entire point read too much into anything like this and you can come up with any kind of wild theory you want
This is now my head canon for my favorite series. I LOVE the matrix and this works really, really well.
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;48691189]yes he is there's a very crucial scene where The Oracle told Neo "you're not The One." but then she went on to say that he has to discover for himself that he is the One, that he "has the gift" (free will) and only he can truly know. he ended up discovering that he is in fact The One and chose to go down the rabbit hole.. one other pretty obvious and huge thing is that "Neo" is an anagram of "One" yeah, exactly. you don't have to be a genius to see that free will is a giant motif throughout the series. this guy is grasping at straws and missing the entire point read too much into anything like this and you can come up with any kind of wild theory you want[/QUOTE] nothing indicates that neo personally believes that he is the one; he does not say so the free will theme as you quoted, does not care whether or not he is free will can also still be a theme while also defining the 'one' (the matrix's anomaly) as someone other than neo; free will or not, the anomaly and its meaning to the matrix's functionality is fact; no point is missed here other than you looking for something to complain about and cry "grasping at straws" to waive off a well thought out argument that responds to multiple angles of critique
[QUOTE=bitches;48691341] no point is missed here other than you looking for something to complain about[/QUOTE] lol yea ok, gotta be rabid about it huh the overarching theme was literally confirmed by the wachowskis and made sense since the first time i watched it. so everything said there just holds no meaning, but this guy jumbles stuff around and it all makes perfect sense?.. smith is the antethesis of neo. Smith represents the many (when he infects pretty much everyone) and Neo is the One, the only one who isn't infected by Smith. you can twist it any way you want but you have motif after motif confirming it. you can take lines and mix them up any way you want
I'm calling bullshit on the Oracle lie. He leaves out a very important bit just after the Oracle says he isn't the one. "Sorry kid. You got the gift but it looks like you're waiting for something." "What?" "[B]Your next life maybe[/B], who knows?" Literally a foreshadowing of the end of the film where Neo dies, is reborn, and becomes the One. In the scope of the first film Neo is the one and Smith is just freaky. Maybe the Wachowskis did write Smith to be the one in the second two films and retcon the first, but certainly in the self contained first movie it is Neo. For reference 2:40: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMF2iyoCAh8[/media]
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