• Church of England: No women bishops, No gay marriage, Final Destination
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[QUOTE=BBC News]The Church of England and Church in Wales will be banned in law from offering same-sex marriages, the government has announced. Other religious organisations will be able to "opt in" to holding ceremonies, Culture Secretary Maria Miller said. But she added that the Church of England and Church in Wales had "explicitly" stated strong opposition and would not be included. The plans are due to be introduced before the next election, in 2015. Labour backs the changes, which apply to England and Wales, and urged ministers not to be "too reserved" in promoting them. The Church of England and Roman Catholics, among other denominations, have voiced opposition to same-sex marriage and are expected to oppose the bill, even with its caveats. But some religious groups, including Quakers, Unitarians and Liberal Judaism, are in favour. In her statement, Mrs Miller promised a "quadruple lock" to protect religious freedom, involving: - No religious organisation or individual minister being compelled to marry same-sex couples or to permit this to happen on their premises - Making it unlawful for religious organisations or their ministers to marry same-sex couples unless their organisation's governing body has expressly opted in to provisions for doing so - Amending the 2010 Equality Act to ensure no discrimination claim can be brought against religious organisations or individual ministers for refusing to marry a same-sex couple - The legislation explicitly stating that it will be illegal for the Church of England and the Church in Wales to marry same-sex couples and that Canon Law, which bans same-sex weddings, will continue to apply Mrs Miller said the Church of England and Church in Wales had "explicitly stated" their opposition to offering same-sex ceremonies, so the government would "explicitly state that it will be illegal for the Churches of England and Wales to marry same-sex couples". She also said: "I am absolutely clear that no religious organisation will ever be forced to conduct marriages for same-sex couples, and I would not bring in a bill which would allow that. "European law already puts religious freedoms beyond doubt, and we will go even further by bringing in an additional 'quadruple legal lock'. But it is also a key aspect of religious freedom that those bodies who want to opt in should be able to do so." For Labour, shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper, welcomed the announcement, saying : "We should not stop people from getting married and getting that recognition from the state on grounds of gender or sexuality. "And we should not here in Parliament say that some loving relationships have greater value than others." Plans to legalise same-sex marriage have divided the Conservative Party and more than 100 Tory MPs are thought to be against the idea. [/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20680924"]Source[/URL] I'm not sure what the point of this is, beyond trying to annoy people.
I hope someone nails a letter saying "Fuck off" to their door, kinda like what martin luther did.
Fox Only.
Why not just leave it up to the individual institutions to decide whether they do or not? I don't see why this needs to be an illegal thing, since in legal status it's the same as civil partnership anyway.
I say we ban religion and execute everyone who opposes with chainsaws and mortar
Considering the decline over the last 10 years it's like they want to be obliterated.
I guess the CofE was afraid individual priests would consent to doing it, and that they'd be prevented from punishing them for it or some other method of reining them back in line.
Why do gays want to get married in the house of a God that shuns their kind anyway? Gay people are weird.
I'm watching this on ITV news now, some of these opposed MPs are fucking bonkers.
[QUOTE=Midas22;38790833]Why do gays want to get married in the house of a God that shuns their kind anyway? Gay people are weird.[/QUOTE] Misinterpretations etc etc
[QUOTE=Midas22;38790833]Why do gays want to get married in the house of a God that shuns their kind anyway? Gay people are weird.[/QUOTE] maybe they are part of that religion and believe that god doesn't shun them? do you expect all homosexuals to be atheist?
Considering most moderate Christians regularly break all sorts of Biblical rules, I don't see how gays getting married in a church is any worse.
[QUOTE=Midas22;38790833]Why do gays want to get married in the house of a God that shuns their kind anyway? Gay people are weird.[/QUOTE] Crazy thought, but some people who are raised religiously, still believe in that religion despite some disagreements here and there.
[QUOTE=Ylsid;38790715]Why not just leave it up to the individual institutions to decide whether they do or not? I don't see why this needs to be an illegal thing, since in legal status it's the same as civil partnership anyway.[/QUOTE] That's how the rest of the law works, the church of england are just whiny cunts
[QUOTE=Midas22;38790833]Why do gays want to get married in the house of a God that shuns their kind anyway? Gay people are weird.[/QUOTE] marriage has a much smaller religious context these days
To be honest if a church doesn't want to marry two gays I don't see why that should be a problem. Some churches will allow it others wont just find the right one. That or all the gays can go and make their own church with black jack and hookers.
Sounds like 15th century to me.
It is interesting how my entire family and myself were christened Church of England, most of them still are, same for this entire town. I'm not sure that they all know about it's history with Henry VIII or anything...I'm not even sure that they know the difference between this and Catholicism.
[QUOTE=IPK;38790783]I say we ban religion and execute everyone who opposes with chainsaws and mortar[/QUOTE] But wouldn't that make you just as bad as them?
I really don't understand this. I mean the gay marriage laws already specify that individual churches etc. can't start marrying gays if the religious institution as a whole hasn't opted in so what does banning the CoE from it completely change?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;38790924]maybe they are part of that religion and believe that god doesn't shun them? do you expect all homosexuals to be atheist?[/QUOTE] I consider people who defy their deities confused atheists.
[QUOTE=dunkace;38791176]To be honest if a church doesn't want to marry two gays I don't see why that should be a problem. Some churches will allow it others wont just find the right one. That or all the gays can go and make their own church with black jack and hookers.[/QUOTE] This is the point of the law, the original idea was that they could get married anywhere [B]but[/B] individual churches etc could say fuck no and disallow it. This change is just bowing to the CofE because as someone else suggested, they are probally worried some churches would allow it and they wouldn't be able to do anything about it.
I still don't believe that churches should be forced to go against their teachings, only that if a church wants to marry gays, the state should be forced to recognize it. [editline]11th December 2012[/editline] oh that was said literally right above me
[QUOTE=yawmwen;38790924]maybe they are part of that religion and believe that god doesn't shun them? do you expect all homosexuals to be atheist?[/QUOTE] but the Bible defines Marriage as being between a man and a woman and as far as Im aware thats not open to interpretation. I dont understand how a couple who was gay would still wanted to be married under a church that teaches that.
[QUOTE=Harry3;38794455]but the Bible defines Marriage as being between a man and a woman and as far as Im aware thats not open to interpretation. I dont understand how a couple who was gay would still wanted to be married under a church that teaches that.[/QUOTE] After spending a long time as a Christian, I am flabbergasted by anyone who thinks that the Bible doesn't explicitly condemn homosexuality. The homosexual (or homosexual-accepting) Christians I've met either don't really see the Bible as the infallible word of God, or they think that it is a sin that can be forgiven.
Should have been "No women, men only, Final Destination".
Why ban it in law?
The reason why gay people want to get married is because it's like the "together forever" lock. Nobody actually gives two rat's asses about the actual religious meaning.
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;38794691]Why ban it in law?[/QUOTE] Perhaps to prevent unorthodox churches from taking actions contrary to the views of the Church as a whole, hoping to maintain the Church's image and reputation.
[QUOTE=Silikone;38793595]I consider people who defy their deities confused atheists.[/QUOTE] uh
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