• Russian soldier surrounded by ISIS calls in airstrikes on himself
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[QUOTE] Moscow (AFP) - A Russian special forces officer has been killed near Syria's Palmyra, a military representative at the Russian base in Syria was quoted as saying by Russian agencies Thursday. "An officer of Russian special operations forces was killed near Palmyra while carrying out a special task to direct Russian airstrikes at Islamic State group targets," the unnamed representative said, without giving the date of the incident. "The officer was carrying out a combat task in Palmyra area for a week, identifying crucial IS targets and passing exact coordinates for strikes with Russian planes," he said. "The officer died as a hero, he drew fire onto himself after being located and surrounded by terrorists," he said.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://news.yahoo.com/russian-military-says-special-forces-officer-killed-near-195616224.html"]via Yahoo News[/URL]
[QUOTE=Lolkork;50003422]This is so heroic that it might just be made up for propaganda.[/QUOTE] As much as that is a possibility fuck I want to believe it so bad
You will be awarded the order of Lenin for this comrade.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;50003422]This is so heroic that it might just be made up for propaganda.[/QUOTE] Not sure if it's fair to invalidate something like this just because Russia was the one to report it. The same could be said for many heroic acts like this done by other countries.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;50003422]This is so heroic that it might just be made up for propaganda.[/QUOTE] I would give this the benefit of doubt before dismissing it so easily just because it's Russia. At least don't let the poor guy's heroic sacrifice be in vain in the case that it's true.
I can believe it. I'm sure you all have seen what ISIS does to prisoners. Not only do you ensure you won't be captured and tortured, but you take some of them with you.
Could have just been an accident and the airstrike accidentally nixed him too— thus the "embellished story" to make it seem better. Russia is not the only nation to make propaganda war claims following their soldiers' death. The United States made a huge wartime lie— one significantly more damaging than the OP. It was about the exact same thing— friendly fire. Shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks, a professional football player— Pat Tillman— in a move likely guided by impulsive emotion— turned down a contract worthy of $3.6 million over three years from the Cardinals so he can enlist in the U.S. Army. In less than two years after he enlisted, he died. By friendly fire. The Army covered up the entire incident and said he died a war hero while engaging the enemy. He was awarded numerous medals and awards that correlated with this myth such as; the Silver Star, Purple Heart, and a posthumous promotion to the rank of Corporal. The Sliver Star is America’s third-highest military decoration. They turned the tragedy into an opportunity to promote their endless and unpopular wars. It was later revealed that the Army knew all along he was just accidentally killed as part of friendly fire and embellished the story, likely as what happened in the OP— in order to make him look like a war hero. The family was rightfully pissed off for being lied too all along. [URL]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/03/AR2005050301502.html[/URL] [quote][B]The first Army investigator who looked into the death of former NFL player Pat Tillman in Afghanistan last year found within days that he was killed by his fellow Rangers[/B] in an act of "gross negligence," [B]but Army officials decided not to inform Tillman's family or the public[/B] until weeks after a nationally televised memorial service. A new Army report on the death shows that[B] top Army officials, including the theater commander, Gen. John P. Abizaid, were told that Tillman's death was fratricide days before the service. [/B] [B]Soldiers on the scene said they were immediately sure Tillman was killed by a barrage of American bullets[/B] as he took shelter behind a large boulder during a twilight firefight along a narrow canyon road near the Pakistani border, according to nearly 2,000 pages of interview transcripts and investigative reports obtained by The Washington Post. [/quote] From [URL="http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/24/tillman.hearing/"]CNN[/URL] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ofC5WXw.png[/IMG] So it is not much of a stretch to expect this to be another act of friendly-fire turned-into-war-hero type of fabrication.
That man is certainly gonna be hailed as a true hero.
Well, it's not THAT heroic considering what isis does to the captives they get. Having no other option but to be killed by these people (or to be turned into a propaganda banner and get executed a bit later anyways, which is even worse), he made the only choice he could to die as quickly as possible as well as to take as many attackers as possible with him.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;50003482]Well it sounds like something you would expect from an action movie, and russia really like spreading propaganda right now. So you just have to keep in mind that this might not be exactly what happened.[/QUOTE] Makes for one hell of a story, if nothing else.
I dunno if i was an FSO deep in IS territory and was pinned, you better bet your ass I'm gonna annihilate my position.
[QUOTE=SpaceDiggle;50003457]Not sure if it's fair to invalidate something like this just because Russia was the one to report it. The same could be said for many heroic acts like this done by other countries.[/QUOTE] It most likely is propaganda. Our ministry of defence took some time verifying the incident, and then released this. I'm convinced that they wouldn't even say anything at all if not for the fact that everyone and their dog confirmed that a Russian SF officer has indeed been killed. This thing just sounds like WWII-grade lousy propaganda. Mark my word: next Russian to die in Syria will heroically die by covering an embrasure/HMG emplacement with his body. He may or may not be called Alexander Matrosov.
That is probably the most metal thing I have ever heard in my entire life.
Well shit, what a heroic way to go.
Really doesnt sound too far fetched. If you had the means to do an airstrike and were in that situation wouldnt you all do the same?
[QUOTE=Binladen34;50003520]I dunno if i was an FSO deep in IS territory and was pinned, you better bet your ass I'm gonna annihilate my position.[/QUOTE] this is proof that propaganda works, and that this particular piece of propaganda is highly effective.
I'd believe this. People have called fire support on their own position before when they're on the verge of being overrun.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;50003422]This is so heroic that it might just be made up for propaganda.[/QUOTE] It's 100% factual truth if it's done by a western country though
You know, come to think of it, there was a recent LiveLeak video about some dead russian advisor with some fancy-ass stuffs. Could this be that poor guy?
[QUOTE=Araknid;50003871]It's 100% factual truth if it's done by a western country though[/QUOTE] Certainly not. America especially is just as good at embellishing events to make war seem cooler than it is.
[QUOTE=gudman;50003523]This thing just sounds like WWII-grade lousy propaganda.[/QUOTE] It literally is the ending to the Russian made Stalingrad movie that came out a few years ago.
It doesn't seem too farfetched. Some MACVSOG teams operating in Laos and Cambodia during the Vietnam War would call in a B-52 strike on their position if they knew they were going to be overrun. If you're surrounded by ISIS, you would want to take out as many of them as you can with you instead of being captured, tortured, humiliated, and then beheaded by them for the whole world to see on the internet. This month has been grim for Russian Spetsnaz operating near Palmyra. ISIS claims to have killed at least 5 advisors and posted pictures of one of their bodies with their gear. I'm not sure if this incident is connected or not [t]http://i.imgur.com/SRkeZL4.jpg[/t] [B]Warning[/B]: Dead body shown in the video [url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=744_1458319962[/url]
To be honest, this was certainly preferable than being captured by ISIS...
In any other case I would dismiss this as propaganda, but knowing what IS does to captured soldiers, especially Russians I would not be suprised if this was true.
[QUOTE=laserpanda;50004834]It literally is the ending to the Russian made Stalingrad movie that came out a few years ago.[/QUOTE] I didn't watch that, but I'm not surprised. It wasn't just extremely popular as a propaganda (HEROIC DEATH!), it also happened quite a lot in reality. Knowing that, I don't entirely dismiss the story in the OP, the officer in question was a Russian, he was raised in our culture, on the same mythology and heroics that surround WWII. It's possible that he actually called an air- or artillery strike on his position if shit got real bad. It's not the story itself that looks very fishy to me, it's the amount of time our MoD took to verify and make a statement - you'd think the HQ that coordinated the strikes would know and submit a report what happened instantly. Then we have the fact that it's not WWII anymore, I doubt that artillery crew/pilots would actually follow through with that kind of target - they [b]know[/b] where exactly the spotter is thanks to IR strobe and GPS marker. I really, really doubt they'd accept the responsibility of bombing their spotter, that's how you get court-martial'd.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;50003482]Well it sounds like something you would expect from an action movie, and russia really like spreading propaganda right now. So you just have to keep in mind that this might not be exactly what happened.[/QUOTE] thats because they did it in American Sniper..
[QUOTE=laserpanda;50004834]It literally is the ending to the Russian made Stalingrad movie that came out a few years ago.[/QUOTE] All the guy needs is to have been shot near to death before doing this and it would be complete.
[QUOTE=StrykerE;50004927] [URL]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=744_1458319962[/URL][/QUOTE] Comments are saying that is faked. [URL]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2fe_1458251183[/URL]
A Kurdish female fighter was surrounded and killed herself, due to what ISIS does to it's captives. So while this itself is possible, it's just as possible he was accidentally killed or even killed by ISIS and his death was embellished to make it better to swallow. With that said, no matter how he died, he still died fighting ISIS, which in itself is heroic.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;50003475]stuff about Pat Tillman[/QUOTE] Tillman was also very anti-war and had made arrangements to have an interview with Noam Chomsky.
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