I'm a proponent of responsible and abundant drug use. In my opinion, people should be allowed to do copious amounts of drugs legally and easily if they are properly educated on the drugs they are using and are not endangering others or themselves by doing so. This is my opinion for pretty much any drug, although there are several drugs that I personally would not use, meth and heroin being among them.
That being said, there is a specific branch of drugs that anyone who has even the most cursory knowledge of drugs knows about: psychedelics. These drugs are generally considered to be among the most powerful, yet least damaging drugs in existence. A low chance of psychological addiction, almost impossible to overdose, no chance of physiological addiction, etc. The negatives are the possibility of hppd, potential for aggravating undetected psychosis in the user, and an obvious inability to operate machinery.
My question for FP is, should these drugs, which have been demonstrated to help people cope with -and in some cases, overcome PTSD- be legal for sale, production, distribution, transportation and ownership?
I vote yes.
In the older days we used to have people specialized in guiding people through such trips. They were often shaman or priest. My point is that while these drugs can have a very drastic effect upon one's mind, that can go both ways. If we suddenly legalized, say, DMT, there is no telling what that might do to some stoner kids looking for the next big hit. Things like these should be in the hands of, and done with, those who know what they are doing. Psychadelics are powerful, and even dangerous, one must not jump into them haphazardly. This also has very much to do with the power of suggestion. Someone in such a state could not only be open to interpreting such an experience in any number of ways, and can be influenced as such, but he can also be influenced during the experience itself. Someone with a microphone and hidden speakers could really screw with someone during a trip.
In conclusion; perhaps not illegal, but definitely controlled. People should be dissuaded from doing anything like this unless they know the risks, and are sure that they are in a state of mind/evironment that will not hurt them or others.
but DMT is legal, I can get a full bottle of it at the mart a minute away.
Everything you said, zenreon, can be applied to alcohol. There is absolutely no argument I've ever heard that satisfyingly tells me why alcohol is legal but psychadelics are not.
I took 2 tabs of LSD once and it was probably under the worst possible circumstances. I was too inexperienced with drugs ( id only been smoking weed for a few months) and i was doing it alone and i peaked during nighttime.
Overall, the experience wasn't awful considering the situation but i did have some undesirable experiences during the trip that most people would write off as a 'bad trip'.
I personally never agreed with that black and white thinking that there are only bad or good trips, and i think it helped me along with accepting that once i took the tabs fucked up shit was gonna happen.
Unfortunately i still have mild HPPD even after four years.
Would i do it again? Absolutely, LSD shown me the joys of tripping and id do it again in a heartbeat if given the chance.
I sure as hell don't recommend doing what i did but certainly being with a friend and accepting that psychedelics are some serious shit it shouldn't be too bad.
Answering the question - Yes psychedelics have lots of potential but of course that comes with responsibility.
I believe regulating the supply of well-known and generally safe hallucinogens such as LSD or psilocybin would have a net positive effect on the effects of psychedelic drug use. Legalising the production and sale of those two chemicals would help stop the current trend of more dangerous hallucinogenic research chemicals being produced and sold (sometimes under the pretext of being LSD). You only have to look to cases where drugs such as 25-I have led to overdose deaths, a situation which would be incredibly unlikely with drugs such as LSD or psilocybin.
I mean, people will take psychedelics and have bad trips regardless of their legality. If the tradeoff is an increase in people having bad trips legally for a reduction in the illegal use of potentially and actually unsafe drugs then I don't mind. Support mechanisms can be developed for people who have adverse reactions to these psychedelics. They can't for people who die as a result of poorly understood drugs.
Legalizing certain psychedelics would be an ideal end goal to a new drug policy. But it cannot be done radically and suddenly.
I think all drug posession and use should be decriminalized, and then the education system must be reformed to allow for objective education of positive and negative effects, harm reduction, set and setting etc.
We would also need to open for research so that the effects of these drugs can be studied and understood better. Only then could it be considered to legalize the sale of certain compounds that have shown themselves to be relatively safe, including psychedelics, dissociatives, entactogen-empathogens and perhaps some mild stimulants.
The sale of these drugs obviously must be controlled in some way. They could be produced by licensed chemists, lab tested for authenticity and purity and then sold in licensed retail outlets. There should be an age restriction for entering and purchasing drugs on these premises, and leaflets containing information about effects, dosage as well as test results should be included with the purchases. There should also be a tax and a limit on how much you can purchase at a time.
These regulations should be sensible enough to give people the incentive to get their drugs legally, but strict enough to reduce harm as much as possible. Security must also be considered to prevent theft from these stores.
I agree with what has been said here; regulation and legalization of at least the more common psychedelics, along with public awareness campaigns about them and dangerous research chemicals, would make psychedelics and their overall perception much better, and like Lonestriper said would do a good job in stopping the current business with RCs, which are dangerous and unpredictable.
However, I would argue that psychedelics should be more controlled than, say, what Colorado is doing with cannabis. They are more potent chemicals, and I'd say it would be beneficial in general if one would have to prove that they have educated themselves about the drug in question before purchasing it. Perhaps something like drivers education for tripping, although the extent of the knowledge and work required for the licenses would depend on the drug in question.
Requiring licensing would also be an additional revenue stream, which would help the passing and putting into law of such an infrastructure, because money does blabber.
[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;46872219]but DMT is legal, I can get a full bottle of it at the mart a minute away.[/QUOTE]
Bullshit.
[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;46872219]Everything you said, zenreon, can be applied to alcohol.[/QUOTE]
Did you even read his post? Psychedelics are only comparable to alcohol in that they're both intoxicating substances - the intoxication, while subjective, is [I]completely[/I] different. Zenreon was basically saying that psychedelics produce powerful mental and spiritual experiences that can potentially have a permanent impact on the user's mind, especially DMT, where users (myself included) report contact with other-worldly beings and entities. That shit is [I]not[/I] to be taken so lightly. Really, every psychedelic has the potential to completely change and alter a person for the worse if they aren't prepared or experienced enough (or think they're prepared when they really aren't), whereas drinking too much alcohol generally only causes vomiting and a nasty headache...
[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;46872219]There is absolutely no argument I've ever heard that satisfyingly tells me why alcohol is legal but psychadelics are not.[/QUOTE]
This I agree with, but as others have said, psychedelics should be under stricter control than, say, alcohol and tobacco. They're extremely powerful drugs.
[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;46872219]but DMT is legal, I can get a full bottle of it at the mart a minute away.
Everything you said, zenreon, can be applied to alcohol. There is absolutely no argument I've ever heard that satisfyingly tells me why alcohol is legal but psychadelics are not.[/QUOTE]
You're thinking of DXM-- a dissociative. I assure you that you CANNOT go buy a bottle of DMT.
It's too early to tell since there's hardly any research on them, but the resurgence of new studies points in the direction that they are potentially beneficial to society.
[QUOTE=Nifae;46872964]You're thinking of DXM-- a dissociative. I assure you that you CANNOT go buy a bottle of DMT.[/QUOTE]
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Absolutely. The only thing is that you MUST be sure of what you are getting yourself into.
They are no joke, but if you are aware of what they are capable of and a ready to use them, then go for it. Just be careful. Know that what you are getting is pure, and have all the precautions set in place.
DMT all day erryday.
I don't know if psychedelics should be legalized soon, but I think medical use needs to be allowed. Once we become more aware of how they work, how to produce productive experiences, then perhaps we could educate the larger population on how to use them responsibly. They're not toys, they are tools and must be treated with respect. Including MDMA.
Psychedelics are also fairly self regulating. If you're not using them correctly, they can easily lead to a perceived negative experience and put people off.
I envision places where you can have psychedelic experiences guided by experienced psychedelic psychologists, or "shamans" if you will. You pay for an experience, or if you have other therapy, they recommend and work with the said facility.
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[QUOTE=Mr._N;46874020]It's too early to tell since there's hardly any research on them, but the resurgence of new studies points in the direction that they are potentially beneficial to society.[/QUOTE]
Hardly researched? There was plenty of research done back in the 50s and 60s...
Hardly is the wrong word. Not enough research.
[QUOTE=Mr._N;46888340]Hardly is the wrong word. Not enough research.[/QUOTE]
This I would agree with. Because of Dr Leary and others it didn't really get a fair chance because it was banned before larger areas of research could be done.
As much as I support the use of psychedelics to expand ones mind, it may of done society better in the long run to allow it to become even more accepted in the medical community before it was "let loose".
Maybe I'm wrong. But history unfolded the way it did and all we can do is advocate for responsible use and research.
[QUOTE=valkery;46871993]be legal for sale, production, distribution, transportation and ownership?
I vote yes.[/QUOTE]
This I don't agree with. They should not be outright banned as they are now, but at least be heavily regulated. They should only be available to the general populace through centers run by trained and licensed professionals in a controlled environment. If they were to be regulated in the manner that you propose, it wouldn't be long until some irresponsible assholes ruin them again for the rest of us and they get banned again. We have enough problems with alcohol.
[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;46872219]but DMT is legal, I can get a full bottle of it at the mart a minute away.
Everything you said, zenreon, can be applied to alcohol. There is absolutely no argument I've ever heard that satisfyingly tells me why alcohol is legal but psychadelics are not.[/QUOTE]
DMT is a schedule I substance. You can find it almost anywhere in nature, but you won't find a bottle full of it at the store
[QUOTE=Mr._N;46888448]This I don't agree with. They should not be outright banned as they are now, but at least be heavily regulated. They should only be available to the general populace through centers run by trained and licensed professionals in a controlled environment. If they were to be regulated in the manner that you propose, it wouldn't be long until some irresponsible assholes ruin them again for the rest of us and they get banned again. We have enough problems with alcohol.[/QUOTE]
I don't entirely disagree, but for me, part of going on a trip is the haphazard and sometimes random paths the setting and surroundings can bring you on. If they were only available through some center where people monitored you and delivered the same result with each person who went through, true, it would be safer for the vast majority of people, but it wouldn't be true to the nature of the drug. A psychedelic experience is something that should be treasured for whatever it was, no matter what the experience or lasting side effects may have been.
Although your point about irresponsible assholes ruining it for the rest of us is very likely and probable. I would say that the drugs themselves should be highly regulated and that the people who buy them should have to sign waivers to the effect of "I will not operate machinery or use this drug to justify misconduct." They should also have to be willing to submit to psychological evaluations beforehand to determine risk. It wouldn't be perfect, but it'd be a fair compromise in my opinion.
There is a lot of stigma surrounding them, which is silly because they are often beneficial to your health, not harmful. I think the medical potential for psychs is highly underrated due to this.
Psychedelics are awesome.
First of all I'd like to say that we definitely need some education in the general of drugs, and even tho' websites like erowid is available then people should by a young age be able to tell that this is a white narcotic that'll do this and that to your brain, and how to handle it.
The first time I had a bad trip, it spaced me so far out that I directly started questioning my own existence, something that I can assure isn't healthy. Had I merely been taught to listen to my feelings more whilst on drugs, I'd had been able to prevent any mental health risks even earlier.
And second, we've got a lot of potentiality in psychedelics and they should be an accepted nature of our communities and economy. It's healthy for the individual to explore, and even as important to explore yourself so that you can understand your own body and mind's capabilities fully.
There's also medical records that suggest some psychedelics (LSD iirc) can help cure some forms of addiction, such as alcohol addiction. If this could become a months' prescription for cure type of medicine, then we'd have a lot less addicts and more mentally educated workers.
I would say yes but as with everything there is a risk when you take it, if you have underlying health problems like schizophrenia you are gonna have one hell of a ride on these things.
I would personally like to see more government research go into them so we know even more that what we currently do, it's rather ignorant of governments to just say they're dangerous and outright ban them like they have, makes me think they're just doing it in order to help big pharmaceutical companies profits and I bet I'm not far wrong
So long as you aren't taking a shitload of these things or getting them from a bad source, I see no problem with them as long as you aren't doing anything that can endanger others.
Being out in a field on some psychedelics would be one of the best things ever I imagine. Even better if you were with friends.
Whether or not you want to take them is up to you, but I do believe that there are people who shouldn't take them and maybe that's reason enough to not have them around.
Responsible use of psychedelics can be a huge value changer
DMT was the most "amazing" drug I've ever taken so yeah, beats LSD and shrooms
As a warning do not do what I did. I ended up on the doing psychedelics like a mad man mixed with DPH for a bit. Being that I was already pretty much insane it ended up causing the shit in my head to get much worse. Throwing me off the deep of reality into ??????. Do not abuse them as you may never be able to go back.
[QUOTE=cody8295;46895362]DMT is a schedule I substance. You can find it almost anywhere in nature, but you won't find a bottle full of it at the store[/QUOTE]
Apparently anything that lives contain DMT, from you to grass.
I still got my 100g of hostilis mimosa but im still trying to find caustic soda for extraction.
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