Louis Rossman has a video with a similar theme and I can't find it anymore on his channel.
Lots of youtubers are coming out now about how the competitive nature of the platform is affecting their personal lives.
Pretty interesting.
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high quality subs here
also really shitty of the people in the comments saying shit like 'lol its easy to say this 'do what makes you happy' shit when youre LOADED' or 'you got where you are because of playing games and giving us what we wanted, you can't just forget about it'. seems like these kids either forget or dont realize that these people they watch every day are just normal people too, and despite YT being pretty lucrative at the topmost level and more fulfilling for people than a normal 9-5 M-F job, it can require just as much if not more grinding and commitment.
I guess he's happier doing 4-5 you laugh you loose videos a week.
[QUOTE=Zombii;53054954]'lol its easy to say this 'do what makes you happy' shit when youre LOADED'[/QUOTE]
"Just do what makes you happy" is a loaded concept and usually unsustainable for a lot of people.
That said, making regular - even weekly - Youtube videos ain't easy and requires a lot of commitment, usually even a team of people. That level of dedication and consistency most people can't keep up with, while also turning it into something profitable enough to have as a main source of income.
[QUOTE=ThePanther;53055033]I guess he's happier doing 4-5 you laugh you loose videos a week.[/QUOTE]
I feel like PewDiePie has fallen into this weird situation where he got famous and rich basically by playing video games and shouting at them, and he's trying really hard to become something more than that, the question is, can he? Felix was never a comedian, or a games critic, but those seem like the closest "actual" occupations to what he's been doing, so he's trying to do that, but does he really have the talent for it? Does any of this make sense?
[QUOTE=Doom14;53055038]"Just do what makes you happy" is a loaded concept and usually unsustainable for a lot of people.
That said, making regular - even weekly - Youtube videos ain't easy and requires a lot of commitment, usually even a team of people. That level of dedication and consistency most people can't keep up with, while also turning it into something profitable enough to have as a main source of income.[/QUOTE]
sure, there are definitely limits to it and its certainly a loaded concept with a lot of the rhetoric being similar to 'just pull yourself up by the bootstraps'. the thing is that we live in a time where 'doing what makes you happy' or at least 'doing something that doesn't make you want to kill yourself every day' is more attainable than ever. it can require a lot of sacrifice and dedication to get there, and yeah unfortunately it isn't viable for everyone in every situation, which sucks but is unavoidable without massive societal reform, but people have more opportunity now than ever before, especially in fields like content creation and new media.
i would agree that felix is speaking from a privileged position but the comments just struck me as a little rude and disconnected from the creator but i guess you cant really expect much from the YT comment section
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;53055053]I feel like PewDiePie has fallen into this weird situation where he got famous and rich basically by playing video games and shouting at them, and he's trying really hard to become something more than that, the question is, can he? Felix was never a comedian, or a games critic, but those seem like the closest "actual" occupations to what he's been doing, so he's trying to do that, but does he really have the talent for it? Does any of this make sense?[/QUOTE]
Yes. He's in a weird situation where all he needs to do to make money and get views is upload. The effort he needs put into a video is close to nothing. He could just start uploading vlogs of his morning where nothing particularly interesting happens and probably get away with it for quite some time, retaining his viewership. He is the most subscribed channel on YouTube and by no small margin.
[QUOTE=ThePanther;53055033]I guess he's happier doing 4-5 you laugh you loose videos a week.[/QUOTE]
He obviously is, and I enjoy the YLYL videos so I don't see a problem
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;53055053]I feel like PewDiePie has fallen into this weird situation where he got famous and rich basically by playing video games and shouting at them, and he's trying really hard to become something more than that, the question is, can he? Felix was never a comedian, or a games critic, but those seem like the closest "actual" occupations to what he's been doing, so he's trying to do that, but does he really have the talent for it? Does any of this make sense?[/QUOTE]
I think you're asking already answered questions to a non-problem. Considering he made it past his loss of partnership with Disney and is still kicking.
[QUOTE=ThePanther;53055033]I guess he's happier doing 4-5 you laugh you loose videos a week.[/QUOTE]
skrattar du förlorar du is my favourite time of the day
The thing I find really impressive about Pewdiepie is how he's managed to not only adapt but stay the top dog on youtube.
This guy was among the first breakouts in the post-2010 period of the site and he's remained since. Try to think how many can say the same. Epic Meal Time, Tobuscus, UberHaxorNova were all huge names and now they barely exist compared to their prime. People often say he just got lucky but I don't buy that, I've always believed he's been pretty smart and knows when to change his shit up, his old act would have seen him slowly fade and he knew that, unlike those other channels. Full props to him tbh, he seems like a good dude too.
[QUOTE=Zombii;53054954]also really shitty of the people in the comments saying shit like 'lol its easy to say this 'do what makes you happy' shit when youre LOADED[/QUOTE]
Most people do not actually realize what actual happiness is, thinking that after amassing so much wealth, gaining so much power, getting so much fame, etc. that they will somehow become happy. As he has said himself, Felix is in a unique position where has has all of these things and has realized that they are not actually making him happy. The amount of material wealth one has is entirely irrelevant to whether one is happy or not. Actual happiness is derived from one's own self, not from the world. Hence why some of the happiest people are those who own little to nothing.
[QUOTE=Lancemate;53055345]Most people do not actually realize what actual happiness is, thinking that after amassing so much wealth, gaining so much power, getting so much fame, etc. that they will somehow become happy. As he has said himself, Felix is in a unique position where has has all of these things and has realized that they are not actually making him happy. The amount of material wealth one has is entirely irrelevant to whether one is happy or not. Actual happiness is derived from one's own self, not from the world. Hence why some of the happiest people are those who own little to nothing.[/QUOTE]
I believe Notch is another example.
Happiness is the feeling you get from over coming a struggle or challenge.
Happiness in and of itself is not a goal. That's a black hole, it's not actually a way to attain anything. It's a way to lose things.
Do you want to be happy? Embrace the shitty things and overcome them. People find meaning and purpose in struggle. Ever since I stopped seeking happiness, I've been doing better than ever.
[QUOTE=Lancemate;53055345]Most people do not actually realize what actual happiness is, thinking that after amassing so much wealth, gaining so much power, getting so much fame, etc. that they will somehow become happy. As he has said himself, Felix is in a unique position where has has all of these things and has realized that they are not actually making him happy. The amount of material wealth one has is entirely irrelevant to whether one is happy or not. Actual happiness is derived from one's own self, not from the world. Hence why some of the happiest people are those who own little to nothing.[/QUOTE]
Eh, having a shitload of money in and of itself might not make a person happy but it certainly makes it infinitely easier to solve problems that make a person unhappy.
It's not really an unfair criticism to say that it's easy to say "if your work doesn't make you happy, why do it?" etc. when you have the financial liberty to just not do it anymore if you don't want to. The vast, vast majority people don't have that option. Genuinely only small minority of people have the privilege to have happiness and satisfaction even be a consideration.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;53055386]Happiness is the feeling you get from over coming a struggle or challenge.
Happiness in and of itself is not a goal. That's a black hole, it's not actually a way to attain anything. It's a way to lose things.
Do you want to be happy? Embrace the shitty things and overcome them. People find meaning and purpose in struggle. Ever since I stopped seeking happiness, I've been doing better than ever.[/QUOTE]
[url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28257707-the-subtle-art-of-not-giving-a-f-ck][img]https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1465761302l/28257707.jpg[/img][/url]
Was a pretty good book on this.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;53055373]Cherry picking a bit much?
Having lots of money doesn’t make you immune to emotions but saying it has no bearing on happiness is fortune cookie nonsense. People die, get discriminated against and work shitty unfulfilling and physically and emotionally destructive jobs their entire lives and ultimately are unable to provide their children better futures all because they’re poor.[/QUOTE]
Everyone wants to accumulate riches, everyone wants to enjoy life to the greatest extent, everyone wants a wife, home and children, but actually none of these things constitute real happiness but only incur bondage to miserable conditions. It is like how if one keeps a large amount of cash with him, he is always anxious about keeping it properly. People perceive happiness to be the fulfillment of some material desire when reality it is the absence of material desire. Even if a man is poor, he should not endeavor to improve his economic condition just to maintain his body and soul together. Just as a great python, although lying in one place, not endeavoring for its livelihood, gets the food it needs to maintain body and soul, one who is desireless also obtains his livelihood without endeavor. This is not fortune cookie nonsense, because there are monks, sannyasis, bodhisattvas, and rishis who are living embodiment of the reality of this principle and are the happiest people on Earth. Despite this, all of western society unfortunately operates on the false idea that hard, strenuous work somehow brings happiness. Happiness come through the medium of self-realization, not through perpetually attempting to fulfill material desires.
[QUOTE=Str4fe;53055617][url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28257707-the-subtle-art-of-not-giving-a-f-ck][img]https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1465761302l/28257707.jpg[/img][/url]
Was a pretty good book on this.[/QUOTE]
I recommend it for sure.
[QUOTE=Lancemate;53055628]Everyone wants to accumulate riches, everyone wants to enjoy life to the greatest extent, everyone wants a wife, home and children, but actually none of these things constitute real happiness but only incur bondage to miserable conditions. It is like how if one keeps a large amount of cash with him, he is always anxious about keeping it properly. People perceive happiness to be the fulfillment of some material desire when reality it is the absence of material desire. Even if a man is poor, he should not endeavor to improve his economic condition just to maintain his body and soul together. Just as a great python, although lying in one place, not endeavoring for its livelihood, gets the food it needs to maintain body and soul, one who is desireless also obtains his livelihood without endeavor. This is not fortune cookie nonsense, because there are monks, sannyasis, bodhisattvas, and rishis who are living embodiment of the reality of this principle and are the happiest people on Earth. Despite this, all of western society unfortunately operates on the false idea that hard, strenuous work somehow brings happiness. Happiness come through the medium of self-realization, not through perpetually attempting to fulfill material desires.[/QUOTE]
This post reeks of the kind of "mystical eastern wisdom" bullshit that you would hear from a high-school kid who listened some white guy in a tie-dye shirt talk about Buddhism one time and decided to adopt a bunch of pseudo-spiritual crap because of it.
There have been studies done in the past that demonstrate that yes, in fact, people who have enough wealth to attain a comfortable standard of living are dramatically less unhappy than people who have next to nothing. Not having to worry about dying to easily curable illnesses, or starving, or freezing, etc. actually makes people considerably less unhappy, as it turns out.
Again, wealth in and of itself doesn't make a person happy, but it makes it enormously easier to solve and avoid problems that make a person very unhappy.
This doesn't mean that a person can't be unhappy even though they are very wealthy, or vice-versa, but you are at a considerably greater liberty to pursue things that you enjoy when you don't have to worry about supporting yourself without your soul-crushing, miserable job.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;53055943]money is happiness lube
ya got some? itll be easier to get happy than if ya didnt[/QUOTE]
Then there does come the problem of consumerism and materialism, which are surefire ways to avoiding happiness.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;53055959]and i guess ill just wish my rent, healthcare, and internet into existence[/QUOTE]
I was talking about people thinking that money will just buy you happiness because you can just get anything.
[quote]you can still be unhappy with money and vice versa, but only a fool would think that money doesn't make it easier to be happy in a vast majority of cases[/QUOTE]
Did you even read my post?
PewDiePie is such an enigma, he went from being someone loathed by vast swathes of the internet (outside of obviously the kids who watched his videos) then doing a total 180 and being genuinely likeable.
It seems that doing what made him happy actually worked out better for him. I think people just prefer the genuine nature of his newer stuff as opposed to a fake persona on gameplay videos.
[QUOTE=Lancemate;53055628]Everyone wants to accumulate riches, everyone wants to enjoy life to the greatest extent, everyone wants a wife, home and children, but actually none of these things constitute real happiness but only incur bondage to miserable conditions. It is like how if one keeps a large amount of cash with him, he is always anxious about keeping it properly. People perceive happiness to be the fulfillment of some material desire when reality it is the absence of material desire. Even if a man is poor, he should not endeavor to improve his economic condition just to maintain his body and soul together. Just as a great python, although lying in one place, not endeavoring for its livelihood, gets the food it needs to maintain body and soul, one who is desireless also obtains his livelihood without endeavor. This is not fortune cookie nonsense, because there are monks, sannyasis, bodhisattvas, and rishis who are living embodiment of the reality of this principle and are the happiest people on Earth. Despite this, all of western society unfortunately operates on the false idea that hard, strenuous work somehow brings happiness. Happiness come through the medium of self-realization, not through perpetually attempting to fulfill material desires.[/QUOTE]
lol how the fuck is having a wife and kids materialism or just fake happiness, it's literally seeking love from other humans and giving love to them which makes you happy as well.
how the fuck is feeling loved and belonged a material desire
[QUOTE=Geikkamir;53055834]This post reeks of the kind of "mystical eastern wisdom" bullshit that you would hear from a high-school kid who listened some white guy in a tie-dye shirt talk about Buddhism one time and decided to adopt a bunch of pseudo-spiritual crap because of it.
There have been studies done in the past that demonstrate that yes, in fact, people who have enough wealth to attain a comfortable standard of living are dramatically less unhappy than people who have next to nothing. Not having to worry about dying to easily curable illnesses, or starving, or freezing, etc. actually makes people considerably less unhappy, as it turns out.
Again, wealth in and of itself doesn't make a person happy, but it makes it enormously easier to solve and avoid problems that make a person very unhappy.
This doesn't mean that a person can't be unhappy even though they are very wealthy, or vice-versa, but you are at a considerably greater liberty to pursue things that you enjoy when you don't have to worry about supporting yourself without your soul-crushing, miserable job.[/QUOTE]
If you have no money, money will bring you happiness because you can eat and avoid the immediate affects of poverty. Once those base needs have been fulfilled more money will make a person happier, because they get to avoid the negatives and problems that come with poverty. But once they have their base needs filled, and they have their additional wants met more money isn't going to bring about happiness.
Honestly I hate to say "go read this book I liked" but as said previously "the subtle art of not giving a fuck" delves into this issue in quite a bit of depth. The idea of money buying happiness is mostly hullshit, the idea of money not being required for happiness is also mostly bullshit.
[QUOTE=Geikkamir;53055834]This post reeks of the kind of "mystical eastern wisdom" bullshit that you would hear from a high-school kid who listened some white guy in a tie-dye shirt talk about Buddhism one time and decided to adopt a bunch of pseudo-spiritual crap because of it.
There have been studies done in the past that demonstrate that yes, in fact, people who have enough wealth to attain a comfortable standard of living are dramatically less unhappy than people who have next to nothing. Not having to worry about dying to easily curable illnesses, or starving, or freezing, etc. actually makes people considerably less unhappy, as it turns out.
Again, wealth in and of itself doesn't make a person happy, but it makes it enormously easier to solve and avoid problems that make a person very unhappy.
This doesn't mean that a person can't be unhappy even though they are very wealthy, or vice-versa, but you are at a considerably greater liberty to pursue things that you enjoy when you don't have to worry about supporting yourself without your soul-crushing, miserable job.[/QUOTE]
It is the direct word of the Vedas themselves that I am talking about in relation to happiness, not some half-baked system of pseudo-spiritual philosophy. In my post above I even included a direct quote from the Srimad Bhagavatam although I did not cite it (SB 7.15.15). The problem of modern society is that they are mistaking material enjoyment for happiness. The result of this identification of enjoyment for happiness is depression, burnout, misery, etc. George Harrison has quite a nice quote in relation:
"Before we sort of made it, as they say, money was part of the goal, but it still wasn't a sort of, 'Let's get some money.' We suddenly had money, and then it wasn't all that good. By having the money, we found that money wasn't the answer, because we had lots of material things that people sort of spend their whole life to try to get. And we managed to get them at quite an early age. And it was good, really, because we learned that that wasn't it. We still lacked something. And that something is the thing that religion is trying to give to people."
The soul of a being is spiritual, but it has been placed into a material atmosphere. In order for one to be happy, he must return to the spiritual atmosphere because nothing else will ultimately satisfy him. It is like how you can offer a fish out of water all the pleasures in the world, but the fish will simply struggle for existence until placed back into its natural condition. While in a material environment, the soul is simply eternally struggling for existence and no amount of material opulence can rectify this core problem, even though it may adjust the amount of comfort one may experience. The permanent happiness that Felix spoke about in his previous video on happiness comes through spiritual means; any happiness derived from material means is ultimately temporary and not satisfying. The Srimad Bhagavatam elaborates further on this matter:
"Therefore, O King Citraketu, carefully consider the position of the ātmā. In other words, try to understand who you are—whether body, mind or soul. Consider where you have come from, where you are going after giving up this body, and why you are under the control of material lamentation. Try to understand your real position in this way, and then you will be able to give up your unnecessary attachment. You will also be able to give up the belief that this material world, or anything not directly in touch with service to Kṛṣṇa, is eternal. Thus you will obtain peace." (SB 6.15.26)
Furthermore in relation to the necessity of work the Bhagavatam says:
"Lord Ṛṣabhadeva told His sons: My dear boys, of all the living entities who have accepted material bodies in this world, one who has been awarded this human form should not work hard day and night simply for sense gratification, which is available even for dogs and hogs that eat stool. One should engage in penance and austerity to attain the divine position of devotional service. By such activity, one’s heart is purified, and when one attains this position, he attains eternal, blissful life, which is transcendental to material happiness and which continues forever." (SB 5.5.1)
People are being educated and trained to work very hard for material enjoyment, and there is no sublime aim in life. A man travels to earn his livelihood, leaving home early in the morning, catching a local train and being packed in a compartment. He has to stand for an hour or two in order to reach his place of business. Then again he takes a bus to get to the office. At the office he works hard from nine to five; then he takes two or three hours to return home. After eating, he has sex and goes to sleep. For all this hardship, his only happiness is a little sex. Human life is not meant for such things, it is meant for escaping the clutches of the material atmosphere to attain actual spiritual happiness. Material wealth can shield the materialistic man from baseline sufferings to an extent, but in reality there is no need for such material wealth whatsoever because if one takes to the path of self-realization automatically he is given all necessities and protection from such dangers. This is confirmed not only in the Vedas (specifically in the Bhagavad Gita), but also in Buddhist sutras, the Quran, Bible, etc. Not only, again such protection and provision of necessities like food and shelter can be observed in the life of those who have renounced material life in pursuit of self-realization.
Will you argue your point with your own words, or will you keep using someone else's?
Also, what a bad point
[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;53056050]Will you argue your point with your own words, or will you keep using someone else's?
Also, what a bad point[/QUOTE]
Are you honestly discounting the words of philosophers who's names we still know for the impact they left in the field of thought?
If someone's using someone else's words maybe there's a reason for that? Sometimes quoting people who said an idea best is better than muddling the idea up with your own words
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;53056058]Are you honestly discounting the words of philosophers who's names we still know for the impact they left in the field of thought?
If someone's using someone else's words maybe there's a reason for that? Sometimes quoting people who said an idea best is better than muddling the idea up with your own words[/QUOTE]
It is a dishonest move because then you have to critique the renowned philosopher's words, which is a losing move because... look at your own response
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Basically a get-out-of-jail card
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