Visual Studio 11 Express will be able to create Metro apps only - Polidicks

[IMG]http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/18279006/2/stock-photo-18279006-young-woman-writing-a-c-program.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]For Microsoft, the traditional desktop is old news. It's on its way out, it's legacy, and the harder they claim the desktop has equal rights, the sillier it becomes. With companies, words are meaningless, it's actions that matter, and here Microsoft's actions tell the real story. The company has announced the product line-up for Visual Studio 11, and [B]the free Express can no longer be used to create desktop applications[/B]. Message is clear. Other than the structure of Windows 8 itself - focus on Metro, desktop as an isolated application - this is probably the biggest plain clue yet that yes, people, the desktop is windows 8's Classic. It's there now because Windows 8 is a transitory release, and like the first versions of Mac OS X, users will still need the 'old' applications. Metro is the future, and the only thing Microsoft really cares about. The product line up for Visual Studio 11 confirms this. Like before, the line up is split between Visual Studio Express editions, which are free, and Visual Studio Professional and Ultimate editions, which are not. [B]Starting with Visual Studio 11, the free Express editions can no longer be used to develop desktop applications[/B]. In order to write desktop applications, you're going to need to move to one of the paid editions, starting at $499 retail, or $1199 (renewal $799 per year) if you want an MSDN subscription with your purchase. The message is clear: investing in the desktop is pointless. Microsoft wants to push people towards developing for Metro, abandoning the desktop in the process. Normally, I would applaud such a move (Microsoft has been notoriously bad at getting developers to use new stuff), but in the case of Metro, the situation is different. [B]Metro and its applications are effectively toys compared to traditional desktop applications[/B], so pushing developers towards something that is barely 25% as powerful and functional as what it is supposed to replace doesn't look like a good idea. It's a shame really. Metro is really fun. Just not for people who do more than check the weather and read Twitter.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.osnews.com/story/25977/Visual_Studio_11_Express_editions_Metro-only[/url]

So no one will use express any more? Good job microsoft.

Welp, guis... guess windows 7 is it. Course there always is dual boot.

Welcome to the corperate world, where money is all that matters.

Maybe Bill Gates will suffocate the people who made this decision with his money?

[QUOTE=nomad1;36056154]Welp, guis... guess windows 7 is it. Course there always is dual boot.[/QUOTE] Visual studio is not pre-installed into windows, so what difference does that make?

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;36056247]Maybe Bill Gates will suffocate the people who made this decision with his money?[/QUOTE]You're implying he will spend money to influence a company he no longer works in? Why would he bother.

[QUOTE=Dj-J3;36056270]Visual studio is not pre-installed into windows, so what difference does that make?[/QUOTE] I meant that as in new programs developed, they will be stuck on windows 7 unless they want to adopt the whole "metro" thing.

[QUOTE=nomad1;36056299]I meant that as in new programs developed, they will be stuck on windows 7 unless they want to adopt the whole "metro" thing.[/QUOTE] Or, install VS 2010 on Windows 8.

Damn, I guess I'll have to cough up some money then for the full version :I

[QUOTE=maurits150;36056229]Welcome to the corperate world, where money is all that matters.[/QUOTE] Was it ever about anything else?

[QUOTE=nomad1;36056299]I meant that as in new programs developed, they will be stuck on windows 7 unless they want to adopt the whole "metro" thing.[/QUOTE] Visual Studio isn't the only IDE for Windows. It's one of hundreds.

I hope steam for Linux comes out soon, so I can move away from Windows.

[QUOTE=ief014;36056352]Visual Studio isn't the only IDE for Windows. It's one of hundreds.[/QUOTE] VS is one of the better ones though.

And here I was thinking nothing could make the words "Metro only" more terrifying than BF3

haha oh god imagining the OS after W8 as metro-only is hilarious I guess they want technology to go backwards

Vendor lock-in only works if the users are dumb enough to accept it You can make W8 use only IE and millions of users will not question it, but when it comes to something like this, developers know that this is an incredibly dumb decision and know there are better alternatives

[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;36056373]VS is one of the better ones though.[/QUOTE] True. But I think I'm going to be sticking with VS2010. I was never a fan of grey anyway... [img_thumb]http://martinsharp.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/tfs-vs2011-projectmanagement-screen1-connected.png[/img_thumb]

[QUOTE=ief014;36056414]True. But I think I'm going to be sticking with VS2010. I was never a fan of grey anyway... [img_thumb]http://martinsharp.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/tfs-vs2011-projectmanagement-screen1-connected.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] They've actually added a lot of colours in the later revisions, I believe. (And while they were at it they made the menu titles ALL-CAPS. God dammit.)

Not really a big deal. Microsoft never removes older versions of Visual Studio from download, so just stick with VS2010.

MS, why are you trying to fuck over many programmers who use express to write windows apps? It's not like these developers will be ok to switch to metro-only.

[QUOTE=Xyrec;36056363]I hope steam for Linux comes out soon, so I can move away from Windows.[/QUOTE] If there was Creative Suite for Linux, and Steam for Linux (and with it most of my games), I'd probably be inclined to switch, since I actually really like Ubuntu.

[QUOTE=latin_geek;36056402]You can make W8 use only IE and millions of users will not question it[/QUOTE] The majority will, and besides it'd be illegal.

[QUOTE=Zezibesh;36056469]The majority will, and besides it'd be illegal.[/QUOTE] Only in europe

[QUOTE=Zezibesh;36056469]The majority will, and besides it'd be illegal.[/QUOTE] The majority? Do you realise just how many people were still using IE6 a few years ago?

[QUOTE=esalaka;36056493]The majority? Do you realise just how many people were still using IE6 a few years ago?[/QUOTE] Do you realize Chrome holds the largest browser market share?

It's funny because even MS's developers get that Metro doesn't make sense for 'proper' programs. Or why isn't there a Visual Studio, Visio or Excel for Metro?

[QUOTE=Zezibesh;36056525]Do you realize Chrome holds the largest browser market share?[/QUOTE] It doesn't, the statscounter used to track it is flawed.

I don't see what's wrong with Metro.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;36056558]I don't see what's wrong with Metro.[/QUOTE] I don't see what's not wrong with it.