• Okinawa city wants Marine based turned into a Disneyland
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[img]http://www.stripes.com/polopoly_fs/1.382876.1449656603!/image/117992440.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_804/117992440.jpg[/img] [quote]CAMP FOSTER, Okinawa — From Marines to The Mouse? Ginowan city wants to develop Marine Corps Air Station Futenma as a Disney resort when U.S. forces relocate and the land returns to Japanese control.[/quote] [quote]While there are no concrete plans to bring Disney to Okinawa, Suga appeared receptive to the idea. “We will work as a bridge to convey Ginoway city’s strong request to the company that operates [Tokyo Disney Resort] and we want to fully cooperate,” Suga told a news conference.[/quote] [quote]Oriental Land, which operates Disney resorts, said it will consider the idea. “We will carefully consider it, and no policies have been decided at this time,” it said in a statement.[/quote] Source - [url]http://www.stripes.com/news/okinawa-city-wants-marines-futenma-to-become-disney-resort-1.382870[/url] I hope Stars and Stripes is considered a reputable news source, the only other sources I could find were RT
Why not just combine the two, I'm sure the marines would be in favor of something to do other than eat MREs until constipated
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;49294922]I don't think that land should ever go back to Japanese control. Too many people died capturing it in the first place.[/QUOTE] About 20,000 Allied troops. Between 77,000 and 110,000 Japanese died defending it. That's a silly reason for them not to have it back anyway. The war ended 70 years ago.
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;49294922]I don't think that land should ever go back to Japanese control. Too many people died capturing it in the first place.[/QUOTE] Now that just selfish. Also this. [QUOTE=Govna;49294980]About 20,000 Allied troops. Between 77,000 and 110,000 Japanese died defending it. That's a silly reason for them not to have it back anyway. The war ended 70 years ago.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=McTbone;49294861]I hope Stars and Stripes is considered a reputable news source, the only other sources I could find were RT[/QUOTE] Stars and Stripes is the official newspaper of the US Armed Forces.
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;49294922]I don't think that land should ever go back to Japanese control. Too many people died capturing it in the first place.[/QUOTE] It's their country. We don't need a base there anyways. They don't have a base in the US. Also, that was 70 years ago.
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;49294922]I don't think that land should ever go back to Japanese control. Too many people died capturing it in the first place.[/QUOTE] Yeah, the entire East half of Berlin should belong to Russia because of how many Soviets died getting there.. Oh wait..
[QUOTE=draugur;49295480]Yeah, the entire East half of Berlin should belong to Russia because of how many Soviets died getting there.. Oh wait..[/QUOTE] Bad example, the Russians still have Königsberg and the Kuril Islands. That and the fact that they kept half of Europe including Germany/Berlin under control as a series of puppet states for a few decades.
[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;49295472]It's their country. We don't need a base there anyways. They don't have a base in the US. Also, that was 70 years ago.[/QUOTE] Yo man, what's that place like twenty miles off the coast of Japan that neighbors a jingoistic dictator who routinely threatens both Japan and it's non chinese neighbor? Korea? And Japan voluntarily hosts the USA, it's not a Cuba situation.
[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;49295472]It's their country. We don't need a base there anyways. They don't have a base in the US. Also, that was 70 years ago.[/QUOTE] We have a base there to have control in the pasific regons. Part of the reason its there and why the Japanese government allows it to stay is because it helps create a buffer for Japan and China. In any event its been planned to move the base to either the Philippians or Australia. It's not like its a little satellite base either, Okinawa is home to a very large contingent of Marines and Navy. It is considered a perminant duty station.
[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;49295472]It's their country. We don't need a base there anyways. They don't have a base in the US. Also, that was 70 years ago.[/QUOTE] lmao do you have any idea of geopolitics? The US can't just magically teleport its fleets globally without refueling, they have these naval bases in strategic locations so they can protect not only theirs, but the many other countries interests in the Pacific, Atlantic, Indian Oceans. Their presence in the Pacific keeps both China and Russia in check, and serves as a way to defend Japan and South Korea from them in a worst case scenario. Japan has no bases in the States because it doesn't play a significant role militarily in foreign affairs, and the US quite clearly doesn't need defending.
[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;49295472]It's their country. We don't need a base there anyways. They don't have a base in the US. Also, that was 70 years ago.[/QUOTE] Yes, lets remove the Patriot and THAAD missile batteries that we have installed, I'm certain the JSDF can competently create a force that will be an effect deterrent from DPRK and PRC influences.
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;49294922]I don't think that land should ever go back to Japanese control. Too many people died capturing it in the first place.[/QUOTE] Its the Japanese country. If they don't want America there than America should leave. American forces have brutalized the people of Okinawa, massacring and raping thousands of them over the last 70ish years. The hostility is kinda justified. Sure you've taken measures to completely stop that but it doesn't exactly heal any wounds. Also reasoning like this is silly, they didn't die for the glory of having a base on the island. They died to end Japanese Imperialism or whatever personal reasons they had. [editline]11th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=CabooseRvB;49296051]Yes, lets remove the Patriot and THAAD missile batteries that we have installed, I'm certain the JSDF can competently create a force that will be an effect deterrent from DPRK and PRC influences.[/QUOTE] The JSDF is a pretty competent force. I don't get what you're implying.
The function of the JSDF is to operate in a support capacity. In a nutshell, the Japanese military is not structured as a conventional military, it's built to support other forces that come to its aid (IE USA) whose military is capable of sustaining offensive/defensive operations for a long term. [editline]11th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Rangergxi;49296153]Its the Japanese country. If they don't want America there than America should leave. American forces have brutalized the people of Okinawa, massacring and raping thousands of them over the last 70ish years. The hostility is kinda justified. Sure you've taken measures to completely stop that but it doesn't exactly heal any wounds. Also reasoning like this is silly, they didn't die for the glory of having a base on the island. They died to end Japanese Imperialism or whatever personal reasons they had.[/QUOTE] [citation needed]
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;49294922]I don't think that land should ever go back to Japanese control. Too many people died capturing it in the first place.[/QUOTE] Yeahno.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;49296177] [citation needed][/QUOTE] [url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/09/sexual-assaults-us-military-japan-prison-unlikely[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Okinawa#Civilian_losses.2C_suicides_and_atrocities[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Japan[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Japan#Battle_of_Okinawa[/url] [QUOTE=CabooseRvB;49296177]The function of the JSDF is to operate in a support capacity. In a nutshell, the Japanese military is not structured as a conventional military, it's built to support other forces that come to its aid (IE USA) whose military is capable of sustaining offensive/defensive operations for a long term. [/QUOTE] Not sure about the reality of this but the current PM is making moves to strengthen the JSDF
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[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49296153]Its the Japanese country. If they don't want America there than America should leave. American forces have brutalized the people of Okinawa, massacring and raping thousands of them over the last 70ish years. The hostility is kinda justified. Sure you've taken measures to completely stop that but it doesn't exactly heal any wounds. Also reasoning like this is silly, they didn't die for the glory of having a base on the island. They died to end Japanese Imperialism or whatever personal reasons they had.[/QUOTE] Why do you keep saying shit like this? You've been debunked in every other thread you say it in.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;49296207]Why do you keep saying shit like this? You've been debunked in every other thread you say it in.[/QUOTE] The US military presence harms Okinawans [QUOTE]Okinawa is Japan’s poorest prefecture and relies on tourism to survive, officials have said. Protesters claim a disproportionate amount of key real estate is taken up by U.S. military facilities.[/QUOTE] and what I said is true and has not been disproven in any way. However I have found that the US government did take adequate measures to deal with the abuses of troops just last year.
Only this year, the Japanese Parliament has voted to strengthen and expand the JSDF and even that was by a narrow margin and it was highly controversial. In relative comparison to the region's militaries, especially the PRC and the DRPK's army, the JSDF is no where being strategically relevant if it were a standalone force in the Pacific. Even in the Wiki articles, it says it's "alleged." But we knew for a fact that Okinawans were driven to suicide and were treated like animals under Japanese control. I don't know about you but from what I have read, the Okinawans are still in a relatively better position than they ever were with the Imperial Japanese and even with the Japanese as of current.
[QUOTE=Govna;49294980]About 20,000 Allied troops. Between 77,000 and 110,000 Japanese died defending it. That's a silly reason for them not to have it back anyway. The war ended 70 years ago.[/QUOTE] Yeah except those lives don't matter because they are Japanese lives and not American lives. There's a lot of people who still have such a nationalistic viewpoint, the numbers on both sides don't matter to nationalists.
Just to address the article more, they should aim for a Universal Studio. Tokyo already has the Disneyland. [QUOTE=Daniel Smith;49296295]Yeah except those lives don't matter because they are Japanese lives and not American lives. There's a lot of people who still have such a nationalistic viewpoint, the numbers on both sides don't matter to nationalists.[/QUOTE] Its strange how people look to the past, ww2 especially with this "American can do no wrong" attitude but are insanely critical of whats being done today. [QUOTE=CabooseRvB;49296244] I don't know about you but from what I have read, the Okinawans are still in a relatively better position than they ever were with the Imperial Japanese and even with the Japanese as of current.[/QUOTE] Its impossible to know because the Occupation government actively covered up crimes committed by soldiers and the Japanese shame culture stopped people from reporting, and arguably still does.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;49295653]Bad example, the Russians still have Königsberg and the Kuril Islands. That and the fact that they kept half of Europe including Germany/Berlin under control as a series of puppet states for a few decades.[/QUOTE] So? And America criticized them, and declared the Soviets to be the evil of the 20th Century.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49296153]The JSDF is a pretty competent force. I don't get what you're implying.[/QUOTE] Didn't someone, who actually works with the military, mention in a similar thread months ago that the JSDF is a complete joke, though?
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49296153]Its the Japanese country. If they don't want America there than America should leave. American forces have brutalized the people of Okinawa, massacring and raping thousands of them over the last 70ish years. The hostility is kinda justified. Sure you've taken measures to completely stop that but it doesn't exactly heal any wounds. Also reasoning like this is silly, they didn't die for the glory of having a base on the island. They died to end Japanese Imperialism or whatever personal reasons they had.[/QUOTE] By this garbage logic, Japan has no right to Okinawa because it was also responsible for multiple mass rapes, mass murder, and torture. They also did the whole thing where they lied to civilians and caused mothers to throw their children off cliffs and kill themselves because they were horrified of American occupation. [editline]11th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Rangergxi;49296318] Its strange how people look to the past, ww2 especially with this "American can do no wrong" attitude but are insanely critical of whats being done today. [/QUOTE] And it's hilarious how weaboos like you take up the side of imperial japan apologists.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;49296646]By this garbage logic, Japan has no right to Okinawa because it was also responsible for multiple mass rapes, mass murder, and torture.[/QUOTE] 70 years ago, everyone in charge of all that are dead or dying.
[QUOTE=McTbone;49294861][img]http://www.stripes.com/polopoly_fs/1.382876.1449656603!/image/117992440.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_804/117992440.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] I didn't think Genie was one of the main Disney characters
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;49296737]70 years ago, everyone in charge of all that are dead or dying.[/QUOTE] And it's just as relevant, or irrelevant, as crimes American occupation committed 1 year ago or 70 years ago. Like I said, it's garbage logic. The important thing here is that no American commander is issuing orders saying to rape women or sexually assault women. Asking the US to give up rights to military bases on the island because of a few crimes that bottom level grunts commit is fucking stupid; its the same as telling Japan they have no right to the islands because bottom level grunts did the same thing, except 70 years ago (and more brutally, mind you). Furthermore, victims of sexual assault are treated like shit on Okinawa and get very little support and their cases aren't properly investigated [quote]Some U.S. citizens report that Japanese police procedures appear to be less sensitive and responsive to a victim’s concerns compared to the procedures in the United States, particularly in cases of domestic violence or sexual assault, or when both the victim and the perpetrator are foreigners. Few victim’s assistance resources or battered women’s shelters exist in major urban areas, and they are generally unavailable in rural areas. Investigations of sexual assault crimes are often conducted without female police officers present and police typically ask about the victim’s sexual history and previous relationship[/quote] [URL="https://www.osac.gov/pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=16933"]Source [/URL] So theres no telling how many cases actually end with the proper person being sent off to prison or being court marshaled.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49296318]Just to address the article more, they should aim for a Universal Studio. Tokyo already has the Disneyland. Its strange how people look to the past, ww2 especially with this "American can do no wrong" attitude but are insanely critical of whats being done today. Its impossible to know because the Occupation government actively covered up crimes committed by soldiers and the Japanese shame culture stopped people from reporting, and arguably still does.[/QUOTE] They're already building a Universal Studios in Okinawa. You would know this if you knew shit about Okinawa; which you don't because you keep espousing the same tired debunked inane shit in every thread where you can mention Okinawa. You have no grip on what the majority of Okinawan people feel because you have no experience with and no personal connection to any of them. I spent the best years of my life in Okinawa, I lived in an all Japanese village, married an Okinawan, and my closest friends are Okinawan so I can say for a damn fact that I know what I'm talking about. You on the other hand glean all of your information from ~Wikipedia~ and obviously have some sort of perogative to make America and the Armed forces look like vicious barbaric invaders. Get a life dude.
lmao [QUOTE=Rangergxi;49296198][url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/09/sexual-assaults-us-military-japan-prison-unlikely[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Okinawa#Civilian_losses.2C_suicides_and_atrocities[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Japan[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Japan#Battle_of_Okinawa[/url] [/QUOTE] all of these are from a very long time ago and bringing them up as to why we should remove a base is as silly as claiming the reason we should keep it because a lot of people died trying to take it, or they're something that happens fairly rarely, stop trying to act like the base on Oki is shelling villages daily- it's not. From mostly everything I've read and heard, especially in Asia, the military bases we have there are welcomed by most of the population, aside from a small, loud few assholes (which the article points out). I doubt that it's going anywhere, especially with how quickly things can get tense there.
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