House Republicans submit HR586 - Human Life begins at fertilization - Polidicks

[URL="https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/586"]Congress[/URL] No article as no news agencies besides Congress' site has reported it. This, combined with Trump banning funding of women health centers, is a bit scary. [url="http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/"]Find your representatives[/url]

So effectively outlawing abortion. How do people defend this.

won't the supreme court strike this down instantly if it ever goes anywhere?

So about that "going back to the states thing".. The power goes back to the states, and then they're legally obligated to outlaw it because it will be defined federally as murder, right? Bunch of dogs.

This is so goddamn stupid. It feels like a dream.

If only republicans gave as much of a shit/effort on babies once out of the womb.

So does that make condoms a preemptive strike on American lives.

Now all they need to do is submit a bill that ends it at birth and the law will line up with their actions.

[QUOTE=duckmaster;51715960]So does that make condoms a preemptive strike on American lives.[/QUOTE] And jacking off forces you to break the Geneva convention in the process.

[QUOTE=Judas;51715893]won't the supreme court strike this down instantly if it ever goes anywhere?[/QUOTE] The Supreme Court wouldn't have to, unless they planned on a constitutional reinterpretation. This would go to a lower court first, and since there's already judicial precedent, it would be nullified pretty much instantly. You can't actually pass a law that's unconstitutional, they die in constitutional review. Like this will, until someone has the gall to overturn the previous rulings. And if it did pass, it would still become non-binding due to the way our legal system works.

[QUOTE=Judas;51715893]won't the supreme court strike this down instantly if it ever goes anywhere?[/QUOTE] The SC doesn't get to decide what laws are constitutional before they go live. They get to declare them unconstitutional after a court case rises through many other courts first once someone challenges that law, which takes years.

If this bill passes, it will effectively label the ~20% of pregnant women that miscarry as being guilty of manslaughter. What a good idea this bill is, the conservative base certainly has their priorities in order. /s

[QUOTE=bitches;51716073]The SC doesn't get to decide what laws are constitutional before they go live. They get to declare them unconstitutional after a court case rises through many other courts first once someone challenges that law, which takes years.[/QUOTE] You're forgetting about constitutional override. The Supreme Court would have to reverse Roe v. Wade before a law like this would actually be able to have an effect, because the current interpretation of the Constitution supersedes all other laws. They could theoretically pass it, but it wouldn't be binding. There are still laws allowing slavery in most southern states, for example, but the constitution nullifies them. Same deal here.

Would someone like to explain to me exactly what net benefit shutting down women's health centers actually has? Besides some bullshit line about saving a few cents of American taxpayer money here and there? I know the word has kind of been devalued to hell and back lately, but that is just straight misogyny, no two fuckin' ways around it. Even if you're anti-abortion you have to be willfully and deliberately ignorant to not know that women's health centers are about way [I]way[/I] more than that [editline]23rd January 2017[/editline] Seriously, I'm dying to know. I wanna know why your sisters and cousins and aunts and grandmas and mothers don't deserve specialized health options

[QUOTE=Levithan;51716081]If this bill passes, it will effectively label the ~20% of pregnant women that miscarry as being guilty of manslaughter.[/QUOTE] That's like saying having a stroke is attempted suicide, what?

It might be wise to add to the OP that this was introduced last Tuesday, prior to the demonstrations across the globe on Saturday. Now we wait and see if lawmakers care at all about what the people want.

[QUOTE=Sitkero;51716106]Would someone like to explain to me exactly what net benefit shutting down women's health centers actually has? Besides some bullshit line about saving a few cents of American taxpayer money here and there? I know the word has kind of been devalued to hell and back lately, but that is just straight misogyny, no two fuckin' ways around it. Even if you're anti-abortion you have to be willfully and deliberately ignorant to not know that women's health centers are about way [I]way[/I] more than that [editline]23rd January 2017[/editline] Seriously, I'm dying to know. I wanna know why your sisters and cousins and aunts and grandmas and mothers don't deserve specialized health options[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilycanal/2015/12/09/defunding-planned-parenthood-would-put-900000-womens-lives-at-risk-every-year/#184dea0bb16d"]Besides the obvious fact that preventive care is medically sound and saves more lives. PP actually saves money for both the govt and citizen in the long run due to said preventive care, education, clincally safe/regulated abortions, etc.[/URL]

[QUOTE=FunnyStarRunner;51716061]And jacking off forces you to break the Geneva convention in the process.[/QUOTE] [I]The billions of lives I've ended without a second thought.[/I]

George Carlin NEVER ceases to be relevant. And especially not in these times. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qtlvr6LLV8[/media] To think you guys in the states were finally making some good progress - now you're being rolled back some odd 20 years. Fucking hell.

so using the pill is manslaughter

[QUOTE=Untouch;51716301]so using the pill is manslaughter[/QUOTE] Following the same logic as this bill it should be, you're denying a human life from being created, that otherwise would have been created without the use of birth control.

[QUOTE=WhichStrider;51715895]This is so goddamn stupid. It feels like a [B]nightmare[/B].[/QUOTE] ftfy

I would argue and say that life begins once brain activity starts. Consciousness = life

[QUOTE=Squad1993;51716338]I would argue and say that life begins once brain activity starts. Consciousness = life[/QUOTE] Guess republicans aren't alive then?

[QUOTE=The golden;51715913]Sadly it's about controlling women and thier bodies, not about giving a shit about children. If they truly gave a shit about children they wouldn't be totally nuking child support lol[/QUOTE] More about religious belief than the misogyny you're portraying it as. Men are affected by this too, though less directly. You say that it's about controlling women's bodies but in their eyes what you're doing is [B]murder[/B]. Telling them that your body is none of their business is like telling a staunch vegan that your diet is none of their business. They think you're committing a grave crime, they obviously don't care about your freedom of choice when it comes to something that is in their eyes heinous. I'm very much against what the Republicans are doing here and I support the right to abortion (not 9 month abortion though), but it's important to understand who you're talking to and what they believe in. It's not just "controlling women". Simplifying (which is usually coupled with misunderstanding) your political adversary is what kills any form of discussion with them, as hard as it is to be in a discussion with them.

[QUOTE=Squad1993;51716338]I would argue and say that life begins once brain activity starts. Consciousness = life[/QUOTE] Brain activity itself isn't even the same as consciousness. Even then, with no experiences the form of consciousness that first develops isn't the same as you would normally think of it.

The timing of this seems almost retaliatory towards the massive women's protest. Fuck all of this bill's sponsors. They really have a hard-on for putting women in their place.

So day after pills are murder?

So why are a bunch of old men deciding what women should do with their bodies anyway. Is it a power thing?

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51715887]So effectively outlawing abortion. How do people defend this.[/QUOTE] Republican retards. [editline]23rd January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;51716355]Guess republicans aren't alive then?[/QUOTE] ba bump.