Australian Government tells Detention Centre doctors, workers etc to shut up and not speak about con - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Dozens of doctors, teachers and humanitarian workers have challenged the Abbott government to prosecute them for publicly discussing conditions in immigration detention centres. More than 40 former detention centre workers issued the dare in an open letter to Prime Minister Tony Abbott, Immigration Minister Peter Dutton and Opposition Leader Bill Shorten on Wednesday. This was the first day of a new law which makes it a crime for an "entrusted person" to disclose information about detention centres such as Nauru or Manus Island. The group, including a number of former medical officers, paediatricians and psychiatrists, said: "There are currently many issues which constitute a serious threat to the health of those in detention for whom we have a duty of care. "The Department of Immigration and Border Protection is aware of these problems and has for years failed to address them adequately. We are aware that in publishing this letter we may be prosecuted under the Australian Border Force Act and we challenge the department to prosecute so that these issues may be discussed in open court and in the full view of the Australian public." The law passed Parliament earlier this year with the support of Labor. A government spokesman rejected the group's claims, saying a separate federal law ensured officials were protected in making "public interest disclosures". "An officer who makes a public interest disclosure as defined within the Public Interest Disclosure Act would not be subject to a criminal prosecution under the Australian Border Force Act." The department's secretary had not decided which health or medical professionals were "entrusted persons" who will be required to comply with the new secrecy provisions, the spokesman said. It is unclear whether former contractors, including those involved in writing the open letter, are "entrusted persons" in breach of the law. Under the new law, Immigration and Border Protection workers, the secretary of the department and the Australian Border Force commissioner face up to two years in prison for recording or disclosing information they obtain from their work. They can only release such information legally if they have permission from the secretary of the department, if they are authorised by law, or if a court or tribunal orders or directs them to do so. The secretary would have to be satisfied that the information would help the person to perform their duties or powers to give them permission to release it. The group criticised the law for adding "to the wall of secrecy which prevents proper public scrutiny" and vowed to continue to support their patients and clients. "We have advocated, and will continue to advocate, for the health of those for whom we have a duty of care, despite the threats of imprisonment, because standing by and watching sub-standard and harmful care, child abuse and gross violations of human rights is not ethically justifiable."[/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/detention-centre-doctors-workers-dare-government-to-prosecute-them-over-new-laws-20150701-gi24pr.html[/URL]

How did Australia, UK and Canada all manage to elect people that everyone hates recently?

The current situation there is abysmal, and when it's revealed for what it is, the world will condemn both Australia and any government who took part in it's creation and maintenance.

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;48109277]How did Australia, UK and Canada all manage to elect people that everyone hates recently?[/QUOTE] Stupidity, sheer stupidity. Both of our major parties are idiots.

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;48109277]How did Australia, UK and Canada all manage to elect people that everyone hates recently?[/QUOTE] somehow the US suddenly became a proponent of human rights and everyone else took our title of Conservative Dumbasses

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;48109277]How did Australia, UK and Canada all manage to elect people that everyone hates recently?[/QUOTE] As I recall instead of there being 2 parties, each of these countries has like 5 parties. All 5 of these parties, in each country, suck. The moderate and left vote is split between 4 of the parties, leaving the cretin vote to go to the one conservative party. While there are more moderates and leftists than cretins, the cretin vote isn't split between 4 different parties, so they win. Unless it's like my country, in which case the vote is thrown out completely and there's a supreme leader hiding somewhere who just chooses the president.

I don't understand why people have not been talking about this: [url]https://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/C2015A00040/Html/Text#_Toc419973065[/url] It is permissible to disclose information if the entrusted person believes that disclosing the information will prevent or lessen the threat. So lines like this are factually wrong: [QUOTE]They can only release such information legally if they have permission from the secretary of the department, if they are authorised by law, or if a court or tribunal orders or directs them to do so.[/QUOTE]

There's also the media problem in Australia. We have very biased news and the government is doing all it can to get rid of any media that opposes it. Hence the huge ABC budget cut. I run in to a lot more people with conservative views than I did say 6-7 years ago. But it could just be that I'm more aware now.

MAH AUTOMERGE So for instance, if a person believes that disclosing that the conditions are so bad to help alleviate a hunger strike being conducted by those in detention, they have no committed an offence, provided that the purpose of releasing that information was done to help alleviate the matter by making it known publically.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;48109467]I don't understand why people have not been talking about this: [url]https://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/C2015A00040/Html/Text#_Toc419973065[/url] It is permissible to disclose information if the entrusted person believes that disclosing the information will prevent or lessen the threat. So lines like this are factually wrong:[/QUOTE] How the hell did you find that? :pwn:

[QUOTE=reevezy67;48109469]There's also the media problem in Australia. We have very biased news and the government is doing all it can to get rid of any media that opposes it. Hence the huge ABC budget cut. I run in to a lot more people with conservative views than I did say 6-7 years ago. But it could just be that I'm more aware now.[/QUOTE] Channel 10's The Project constantly speaks out about the Government's immigration policies

[QUOTE=Bradyns;48109484]How the hell did you find that? :pwn:[/QUOTE] I read and deal laws, it is mah jawb. I don't feel like the media has been particularly honest about this. [editline]3rd July 2015[/editline] I also don't see anything in the ABF Act that alludes to shutting down the protection available in the Public Disclosure Act 2013 (Cth), so whistleblower protections are still available.

[QUOTE=Meme It Up;48109429]As I recall instead of there being 2 parties, each of these countries has like 5 parties. All 5 of these parties, in each country, suck. The moderate and left vote is split between 4 of the parties, leaving the cretin vote to go to the one conservative party. While there are more moderates and leftists than cretins, the cretin vote isn't split between 4 different parties, so they win. Unless it's like my country, in which case the vote is thrown out completely and there's a supreme leader hiding somewhere who just chooses the president.[/QUOTE] Nah it's the opposite. The conservative coalition (in government) is comprised of the Liberal and National parties, while the left is dominated by the Labor party. There are of course the Greens, but they won't ever win any significant amount of seats in the house where government is formed. The coalition were elected because the people didn't want a tax on carbon emissions, apparently the Liberals are better at managing a government budget, and apparently because we wanted to tell asylum seekers to fuck off because we're full.

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;48109277]How did Australia, UK and Canada all manage to elect people that everyone hates recently?[/QUOTE] Conservative governments. And most internet forums typically favour left wing politics, so it would create the perception of these governments being universally hated (whether or not that is true in real life).

[QUOTE=Antdawg;48109603]Nah it's the opposite. The conservative coalition (in government) is comprised of the Liberal and National parties, while the left is dominated by the Labor party. There are of course the Greens, but they won't ever win any significant amount of seats in the house where government is formed. The coalition were elected because the people didn't want a tax on carbon emissions, apparently the Liberals are better at managing a government budget, and apparently because we wanted to tell asylum seekers to fuck off because we're full.[/QUOTE] Funniest thing is that like paul keating and wayne swan got awards from the IMF for being fantastic treasurers and no liberal ever has. Labor can run an economy very capably, generally

[QUOTE=killerteacup;48111545]Funniest thing is that like paul keating and wayne swan got awards from the IMF for being fantastic treasurers and no liberal ever has. Labor can run an economy very capably, generally[/QUOTE] The power of marketing. You run enough ads saying Labor fucked the economy up the ass and the Libs are better, people start to believe it.

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;48109277]How did Australia, UK and Canada all manage to elect people that everyone hates recently?[/QUOTE]In the case of the UK, only thirty-something percent of the country voted for the Tories, but the way constituencies are organised and the nature of FPTP means they ended up with an overall majority. Not sure about Australia though.

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;48111887]In the case of the UK, only thirty-something percent of the country voted for the Tories, but the way constituencies are organised and the nature of FPTP means they ended up with an overall majority. Not sure about Australia though.[/QUOTE] Australia uses preferential voting, during 2013 election there was a lot of influence from Rupert Murdoch. Next year, I think Labor could win

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;48109277]How did Australia, UK and Canada all manage to elect people that everyone hates recently?[/QUOTE] "Fuck you, got mine" parties for the self-absorbed middle class

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;48109277]How did Australia, UK and Canada all manage to elect people that everyone hates recently?[/QUOTE] a sudden onset of widespread brain damage, we need to investigate

[QUOTE=killerteacup;48111545]Funniest thing is that like paul keating and wayne swan got awards from the IMF for being fantastic treasurers and no liberal ever has. Labor can run an economy very capably, generally[/QUOTE] These awards were a fucking joke, Keating I can understand somewhat, since he had admirable economic intuition and had enough charisma to win over the caucus. Wayne was a pushover and lacked in many fields. Hell, Costello was leagues ahead of Wayne, although not as good as Keating. Keating still fucked up a bit with his Anti GST agenda, and his deregulation of interest rates lost people their homes but was VERY ballsy, but Keating did the right thing there and it paid off hugely for australia. I understand Keatings award, but Wayne's is a joke, makes the award seem worthless. [QUOTE=TacticalBacon;48111595]The power of marketing. You run enough ads saying Labor fucked the economy up the ass and the Libs are better, people start to believe it.[/QUOTE] However this swings both ways. It's more so to do with both sides being incompetent, people wanted something better than labor, and got the exact same thing, more incompetent leaders. Same thing will happen next election when labor is elected.

[QUOTE=Tasm;48112643]However this swings both ways. It's more so to do with both sides being incompetent, people wanted something better than labor, and got the exact same thing, more incompetent leaders. Same thing will happen next election when labor is elected.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but around here at least, Labor barely advertised. Hell, I can't remember any of the stuff they ran last election, it was just piles upon piles of Liberal and Katter's Australian Party ads.

Makes you ashamed to be Australian honestly. [QUOTE=Helix Snake;48109277]How did Australia, UK and Canada all manage to elect people that everyone hates recently?[/QUOTE] Australian politics goes like this: -Labor party get elected -After awhile public hates said party -Next election Liberal party win -After awhile public hates said party And so forth, however.... Leading up to the 2013 campaign, Rupert Murdoch owns pretty much the media of Australia (newspaper for example) in which they published anti-Labor Party material (Such as "Australia Needs Tony" and "Kick this mob out", said mob being Labor party). The current government is attacking the ABC through budget cuts and vocal disapproval because they dare allow people to voice their unsatisfactory opinion towards the government (they are literally one of the few media outlets that do this). Tony Abbott is running a fear mongering campaign about ISIS and terrorism as well. But the opposition party is making a lot of fuckups recently such as siding with Liberal party on the metadata laws, anti-piracy law (its a bullshit way of saying internet filter), this situation with the detention centers and so forth. So the Greens party (the 3rd most popular party) is starting to become more and more popular now (as they and some independents/minor parties are the few that vocally oppose the anti-piracy law and metadata laws) , which is good because the two biggest parties are spineless cowards.

[QUOTE=AWarGuy;48116525]Makes you ashamed to be Australian honestly. Australian politics goes like this: -Labor party get elected -After awhile public hates said party -Next election Liberal party win -After awhile public hates said party And so forth, however.... Leading up to the 2013 campaign, Rupert Murdoch owns pretty much the media of Australia (newspaper for example) in which they published anti-Labor Party material (Such as "Australia Needs Tony" and "Kick this mob out", said mob being Labor party). The current government is attacking the ABC through budget cuts and vocal disapproval because they dare allow people to voice their unsatisfactory opinion towards the government (they are literally one of the few media outlets that do this). Tony Abbott is running a fear mongering campaign about ISIS and terrorism as well. But the opposition party is making a lot of fuckups recently such as siding with Liberal party on the metadata laws, anti-piracy law (its a bullshit way of saying internet filter), this situation with the detention centers and so forth. So the Greens party (the 3rd most popular party) is starting to become more and more popular now (as they and some independents/minor parties are the few that vocally oppose the anti-piracy law and metadata laws) , which is good because the two biggest parties are spineless cowards.[/QUOTE] Its funny because neither Shorten or Abbott are popular - we hate them all equally, but people seem to have a strong fear of Shorten getting in and I can sort of see why. Greens have the advantage of having a good leader. Putting Richard Di Natale in charge of the Greens was a really clever move on their part, and I'll definitely be voting for them

Rupert Murdoch [I]and[/I] Gina Reinhart own nearly all of Australia's media

Yeah I'm thinking of ditching my anti-greens approach and I might put 1 on the ballot paper for them, getting sick of the ALP/Coalition

[QUOTE=download;48109346]Stupidity, sheer stupidity. Both of our major parties are idiots.[/QUOTE] The problem is, there are no other better options. Sure as hell couldn't give the green power.

[QUOTE=killerteacup;48125035]Its funny because neither Shorten or Abbott are popular - we hate them all equally, but people seem to have a strong fear of Shorten getting in and I can sort of see why.[/QUOTE] Someone wanna give me a run down on this? I knew there was some contempt for this guy but I barely hear about him because all my normal information channels have descended into Abbott-bashing rather than anything informative.

[QUOTE=ScottyWired;48125238]Someone wanna give me a run down on this? I knew there was some contempt for this guy but I barely hear about him because all my normal information channels have descended into Abbott-bashing rather than anything informative.[/QUOTE] Bill Shorten has started sliding with Tony Abbott on certain issues and new bills such as Metadata law, anti-piracy law and jail time for voicing human rights abuse in Detention centres if you're a doctor for example. This appears to be ironic considering the fact Bill Shorten does nothing more then say "Abbott bad look all the shit he is doing, vote me!" instead of actually campaigning properly with actual policies. Also the right wing faction of Labor party have been pushing hard for Shorten to adopt policies that side with Abbott (and it seems to be working since Labor may adapt Liberal party's hardline anti-immigration policy).

Yeah i'll be voting the Greens next election. Hopefully their recent gains the the NSW election is indicative of further greens gains on a federal level.