• Turkey not yet fit for EU, Germany’s Turkish origin minister says
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[quote]Turkey belongs in the European Union in the long term but not yet, according to Aydan Özoğuz, Germany’s federal commissioner for migration, refugees and integration and the first-ever German minister of Turkish origin. Speaking to German daily Die Welt, Özoğuz said the recent block of Twitter was an “unthinkable situation” and that recent developments in Turkey were “very unfortunate.” She criticized Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan for “moving away” from Europe. Özoğuz is set to accompany German President Joachim Gauck on his visit to Turkey later this month. Asked whether Turkey “belongs in the EU,” she said that for now it did “not fit” with the EU and added that it was difficult to read which direction Erdoğan was going. However, she added that President Abdullah Gül gave hope with his “different tone.” In the interview, Özoğuz also claimed that Erdoğan did “not have much influence” on the Turkish community living in Germany. [/quote] [url]http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-not-yet-fit-for-eu-germanys-turkish-origin-minister-says.aspx?pageID=238&nID=64969&NewsCatID=510[/url]
[quote][img]http://i.imgur.com/A6XtmTP.png[/img][/quote] Instantly came to mind.
Damn right, we don't want that backwards government here thanks.
What turkey did to cyprus was disgusting fuck that shitty country
Turkey will never join the EU. It is simply too big of a country which culture is very different from the rest of the EU members. Also it would be very hard or impossible to secure the borders of Turkey
Only ~5% of Turkey is in Europe. I wouldn't consider them a European country at all.
[QUOTE=ejonkou;44535553]Only ~5% of Turkey is in Europe. I wouldn't consider them a European country at all.[/QUOTE] 12% of their population but a large part of their economy is in Europe.
Maybe they should stop denying what they did to the Armenians so people will take them seriously. Also stop propping up a military regime in Cyprus.
[QUOTE=Explosions;44535629]Maybe they should stop denying what they did to the Armenians so people will take them seriously. Also stop propping up a military regime in Cyprus.[/QUOTE] Still don't understand how someone from a country that nuclear bombed another country can still talk about something like this. Its not like armenians were all innocent. [editline]13th April 2014[/editline] Anyways not gonna be a part of a debate like this; just remember everybody, every country did shit like this. Ours was probably the most unimportant.
[QUOTE=LaTrefle;44535900]Still don't understand how someone from a country that nuclear bombed another country can still talk about something like this. Its not like armenians were all innocent. [editline]13th April 2014[/editline] Anyways not gonna be a part of a debate like this; just remember everybody, every country did shit like this. Ours was probably the most unimportant.[/QUOTE] lol start a debate and run. people like this man
[QUOTE=LaTrefle;44535900]Still don't understand how someone from a country that nuclear bombed another country can still talk about something like this. Its not like armenians were all innocent. [/QUOTE] "Not all Armenians were innocent" Justification for attempted genocide?
[QUOTE=LaTrefle;44535900]Its not like armenians were all innocent.[/QUOTE] So you exterminated 1.5 million of them just to be sure
[QUOTE=LaTrefle;44535900]Still don't understand how someone from a country that nuclear bombed another country can still talk about something like this. Its not like armenians were all innocent. [editline]13th April 2014[/editline] Anyways not gonna be a part of a debate like this; just remember everybody, every country did shit like this. Ours was probably the most unimportant.[/QUOTE] we dont deny that we used nuclear weapons on Japan nor do we try to cover it up, plus we helped them rebuild afterwards and are on good diplomatic terms with them your comparison makes no sense
Yeah there you go, everyone was finger on trigger, not risking a ban for this shit
[QUOTE=LaTrefle;44535971]Yeah there you go, everyone was finger on trigger, not risking a ban for this shit[/QUOTE] If your going to start a shit storm, at least be brave enough to back up your reasoning for starting that shit storm.
[QUOTE=LaTrefle;44535971]Yeah there you go, everyone was finger on trigger, not risking a ban for this shit[/QUOTE] you cant make a flamebait post that literally calls out [I]all[/I] Americans and that will clearly spark a debate and then back off like that
[QUOTE=ExplosiveCheese;44535989]If your going to start a shit storm, at least be brave enough to back up your reasoning for starting that shit storm.[/QUOTE] FP doesnt accepts a thing, they dont listen no matter what, they have to be true so why bother [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Why reply" - Craptasket))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=LaTrefle;44536001]FP doesnt accepts a thing, they dont listen no matter what, they have to be true so why bother[/QUOTE] Your missing the point, what I mean by my post is that I would have at least some amount of respect for you if you would at least try to back up your justification (in this case) for the extermination of 600k-800k Armenians who were also Turkish citizens. At that point, I would simply think your just ignorant of the crime, and taught this by those older than you, descendants of those who contributed to the crime.
[QUOTE=LaTrefle;44535900] Ours was probably the most unimportant.[/QUOTE] the [I]lowest[/I] estimates for Armenian deaths are 600k, which is 3 times higher than [I]highest[/I] estimates for the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings 600,000 (almost certainly more) Armenian deaths are just "unimportant"? you're shitting me right?
[QUOTE=ExplosiveCheese;44536025]Your missing the point, what I mean by my post is that I would have at least some amount of respect for you if you would at least try to back up your justification for the extermination of 1.5 million Armenians who were also Turkish citizens.[/QUOTE] You would, thank you for that [QUOTE]So you exterminated 1.5 million of them just to be sure[/QUOTE] This guy wont
[QUOTE=LaTrefle;44536042]You would, thank you for that This guy wont[/QUOTE] Your kidding right? You do know I was being sarcastic right? You seriously justify genocide or are you really brainwashed by your parents that, like their parents, hated an ethnicity for no apparent reason other than as a scapegoat? Clearly the Ottoman Empire needed a good reason to explain why their empire was crumbling apart.
[QUOTE=LaTrefle;44536042]You would, thank you for that [/QUOTE] I would have an immense amount of respect for you if you managed to make a legitimate argument that made the genocide of at least 600,000 Armenians seem "unimportant"
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;44535000]What turkey did to cyprus was disgusting fuck that shitty country[/QUOTE] Why is this post getting dumbs? If its because of the second but I understand. BUT, if its because of the first part. They have a point, as long as Turkey supports the (illegal) government and occupation that they assisted with they will never be allowed into the EU.
irony is that original reason EU excuse was that in Turkey it's army who keeps control (twice as ironical as in early EU/NATO times the same was in Greece) but in case of modern Turkey it was very important as Army secured the secular division of state and religion to not mix now in todays Turkey the reason is exactly opposite the Islamic powered political party controls the Turkey (they even jailed like 2000 army officers who tried to ensure the secular rule) so the question is can Turkey be democratic at all (considering the problem withs Kurds and denial of massacres in early 20th century) , maybe if the army driven Turkey joined EU they would be already fine ...
[QUOTE=LaTrefle;44535900]Still don't understand how someone from a country that nuclear bombed another country can still talk about something like this. Its not like armenians were all innocent.[/quote] Who says I support the bombing? Even if I did, how would one crime excuse a different crime? Hell, Hitler himself could walk in and criticize Turkey for the genocide and it would till be a valid criticism.
[QUOTE=Explosions;44536173]Who says I support the bombing? Even if I did, how would one crime excuse a different crime? Hell, Hitler himself could walk in and criticize Turkey for the genocide and it would till be a valid criticism.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure it was Hitler himself that said "Who remembers the Armenians?" When he was questioned on the subject of the Final Solution.
[QUOTE=ExplosiveCheese;44536191]I'm pretty sure it was Hitler himself that said "Who remembers the Armenians?" When he was questioned on the subject of the Final Solution.[/QUOTE] I believe you're thinking of the infamous "Armenian quote" from the Obersalzberg speech. The exact quote was supposedly "Wer redet heute noch von der Vernichtung der Armenier", which means something along the lines of "who still talks today of the extermination of the Armenians". However, it's quite a bit disputed as to whether or not Hitler actually had that line in the speech.
Gosh guys. It wasn't genocide. We only forced a mass relocation that happened to kill 2 million people... and massacred a couple of cities but that was only because of them not supporting our government against the Russians who were trying to liberate them from our oppression. More countries to recognize this as a genocide.
Two words, Armenia Genocide. Turkey should never be allowed into the EU.
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