People generally view steroids as a harmful drug that makes you rage and become an extremely aggressive person but this isn't entirely true. Steroids will have a noticeable change in the user's personalty while you are on-cycle but this does not always mean rage, in fact when people do get feelings of aggression it is extremely uncommon for a person to have severe anger if they aren't an angry person to begin with.
The main reason why steroids should be legal is based on people who want hormone therapy.
[b]If somebody is born a man and wants hormone therapy, they can get treated with female hormones.
If somebody is born a woman and wants hormone therapy, They can get treated with male hormones.
If a female bodybuilder wants to get testosterone to build muscle, they can't
If a male bodybuilder wants to get testosterone to build muscle, they can't[/b]
Why is it that if a guy wants to be a woman, it's alright to pump hormones into their body, but a man who just wants to be more of a man gets shit on?
What I'm saying is that the laws for steroids should be equal to hormone therapy, steroids have a bad reputation even though they are an extremely safe drug in a controlled medical environment.
Why should people be charged and get a record for illegal drugs when they are just doing their hobby and trying to be themselves?
It's understandable. Some people are just physically unable to bodybuild past a certain level due to genetics or the like. Steroids could help put them on par with people that can easily build mass.
[QUOTE=titopei;36764488]It's understandable. Some people are just physically unable to bodybuild past a certain level due to genetics or the like. Steroids could help put them on par with people that can easily build mass.[/QUOTE]
"Genetics" are just an excuse for lazyness when it comes to working out
Well, the [url=http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/steroids-anabolic-androgenic]NDA[/url] does say that anabolic steroids are addictive and can result in permanent damage, including jaundice, liver damage and high cholesterol.
There are some serious health downsides to having a drug that can be abused like this.
It's probably more of an issue to do with sports regulations than bodily harm tbh
[QUOTE=Samiam22;36765133]Well, the [url=http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/steroids-anabolic-androgenic]NDA[/url] does say that anabolic steroids are addictive and can result in permanent damage, including jaundice, liver damage and high cholesterol.
There are some serious health downsides to having a drug that can be abused like this.[/QUOTE]
So does smoking.... It's just that it's so wide-spread, that it earns the country millions of dollars and so just labeling the package with "death imminent" kind of bullshit is more reasonable than allowing people personal the use of anabolic steroids.
It is kind of dishonest to what being an athlete is about.
As cool as it would be to watch a football player increase his size and dominate the sport, it is shortcutting the steps that honest players took to get there.
Now assume we had all pro players juicing. What does that say to the youth who play the sport?
... Who says most of the pro players, ARE NOT?
[QUOTE=Seith;36766888]... Who says most of the pro players, ARE NOT?[/QUOTE]
Could you provide proof that most of the pro players are taking steroids?
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;36765042]"Genetics" are just an excuse for lazyness when it comes to working out[/QUOTE]No, it's pretty much a fact some people will never look like e.g. 80's Ahnuld. Just because some people seize on it as an excuse for their indolence, does not make it false.
For example, autism does not cease to be a valid mental illness because a minority of lazy gits claim to have it despite no diagnosis by a qualified psychologist or psychiatrist.
[QUOTE=Valnar;36769085]Could you provide proof that most of the pro players are taking steroids?[/QUOTE]
Could you provide proof that says otherwise? Why would they not, when it's so easy to get and for the most part use and get a 150% enhance in performance?
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[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;36769106]No, it's pretty much a fact some people will never look like e.g. 80's Ahnuld. Just because some people seize on it as an excuse for their indolence, does not make it false.
For example, autism does not cease to be a valid mental illness because a minority of lazy gits claim to have it despite no diagnosis by a qualified psychologist or psychiatrist.[/QUOTE]
In terms of bodybuilding, I would say it takes about 10-20 years to even decide you have arrived at your "genetic potential". Especially due to the fact that even with all the knowledge that's around on the subject, we still cannot comprehend fully the mechanisms at work when it comes to Hypertrophy.
People could do the fuck they want with their bodies and I wouldn't see it as an excuse for "being lazy".
[QUOTE=Seith;36769299]Could you provide proof that says otherwise? Why would they not, when it's so easy to get and for the most part use and get a 150% enhance in performance?[/QUOTE]
Proof doesn't work like that, you have to first prove that most pro players are taking steroids.
You are making unsafe assumptions.
[QUOTE=Seith;36769299]Could you provide proof that says otherwise? Why would they not, when it's so easy to get and for the most part use and get a 150% enhance in performance?
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You gave the statement claiming most athletes are doing steroids, it's not in your place to ask evidence from the person asking you evidence.
It can't be too hard to find sources supporting your claim.
[QUOTE=Samiam22;36765133]Well, the [url=http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/steroids-anabolic-androgenic]NDA[/url] does say that anabolic steroids are addictive and can result in permanent damage, including jaundice, liver damage and high cholesterol.
There are some serious health downsides to having a drug that can be abused like this.[/QUOTE]
Except that is retarded because it completely leaves out important parts of that information such as dosage, duration, use of ancillary drugs to prevent certain side effects.
Liver damage occurs from methylated compounds run at high dosages for extremely long periods of time, and it's not a clear cut case. Clinical situations have burn victims on anavar for extremely long periods of time with virtually no liver damage beyond raised enzymes - an effect of just about every oral medication, including NSAIDs. EDIT: I should also specify that injectable preparations do not stress the liver. It's the methylated oral compounds that are 17aa to survive first pass metabolism that stress the liver.
Steroids are not addictive. It is literally not chemically addictive - this isn't an opinion, hormones are not chemically addictive. Psychologically addictive? Perhaps, but this would vary from individual to individual and the argument cannot be made any more than it can for marijuana being addictive.
Cholesterol values do nosedive on almost every steroid compound, however again, this varies on a variety of factors. Impaired cholesterol profiles are not a concern for the average steroid user, as the length of a 'cycle' is usually not long enough to worry about any potential harm from this. Cholesterol values return to normal post cycle.
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[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;36769423]You gave the statement claiming most athletes are doing steroids, it's not in your place to ask evidence from the person asking you evidence.
It can't be too hard to find sources supporting your claim.[/QUOTE]
If you can take my word for it as someone who has been researching this topic for the better part of 3 years, the use of anabolic steroids in professional and even amateur level sports, is ridiculously high.
The problem with facepunch is any "source" that is anecdotal in nature is immediately disregarded just because people want to win their argument. The compounding problem in this particular debate is that most of the evidence of AAS use in sport IS anecdotal. Steroid use is very secretive behavior for obvious reasons, especially among professionals.
If you like I can still provide some measure of evidence with lists of athletes in various sports who have tested positive?
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Actually we shouldn't even be discussing use of steroids in sports since that is another issue entirely (and PED use is a very broad thing, there is far more than just AAS that can be used for performance enhancement), the OP is about legalization of AAS. Most major sporting events have their own regulatory bodies that have nothing to do with civil law.
IIRC you can buy steroids on amazon.com easily
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;36769106]No, it's pretty much a fact some people will never look like e.g. 80's Ahnuld. Just because some people seize on it as an excuse for their indolence, does not make it false.
For example, autism does not cease to be a valid mental illness because a minority of lazy gits claim to have it despite no diagnosis by a qualified psychologist or psychiatrist.[/QUOTE]
Most people wouldn't even be able to look like 80's Arnold [B]with[/B] steroids and hard work.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;36765042]"Genetics" are just an excuse for lazyness when it comes to working out[/QUOTE]
No. It's certainly the case with the vast majority of overweight people who use genetics as an excuse for their terrible overeating habits and lack of willpower, but when it comes to elite level sporting, you [B]will not survive at that level of competition on hard work alone[/B]. If you do not have genetics suitable for that sport, you can pretty much kiss your dreams goodbye. Forrest Griffin is commonly said to be one of the hardest working fighters in MMA today - yet he's a mediocre fighter. Anderson silva dispatched him in embarassing fashion. Silva does not work anywhere near as hard as Griffin - he does however possess blazing hand speed, accuracy and a reaction time that puts him head and shoulders above his competition. This is just one example of why there is no such thing as "an even playing field".
With regards to bodybuilding, many men have had their aspirations crushed in the gym when they can barely breach 180lbs because their natural androgen levels just simply will not allow them to build anymore mass.
Genetics is ALWAYS a factor. Just because people abuse the word as an excuse for their laziness doesn't mean it should be disregarded.
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