Never-Trumpers rejoice: Evan McMiillan to Jump into race as Prez
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[QUOTE]Evan McMullin, a former CIA counterterrorism officer, will run for president as a third-party conservative alternative to Donald Trump, GOP operatives working to back the candidate told ABC News today.
The group, Better for America, a 501(c)(4) organization that cannot officially endorse or back McMillan's bid, has been working for months on trying to select a candidate and get on ballots throughout the country. In some states, like Texas, they will likely have to sue to get on the ballot. A 501(c)(4) is an issue-based nonprofit that can raise unlimited funds and does not have to disclose its donors.
It's an extreme uphill climb, but they are confident McMullin, 40, can act as a disruptor who they hope can peel off some red states in a race where some Republicans are still resistant to Donald Trump.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cia-agent-evan-mcmullin-launch-independent-presidential-bid/story?id=41201256"]http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cia-agent-evan-mcmullin-launch-independent-presidential-bid/story?id=41201256[/URL]
i bet hillary is having a good morning
You are currently witnessing the GOP tearing itself apart.
I would not be surprised if the Republican party ceased to exist after this election due to the massive split in its voterbase.
Wait, I thought Trump was already the nominated republican candidate and it was just between him and Hillary now?
Even though incredibly unlikely, bordering impossible, a third party win would be peculiar. It would be amusing to see the aftermath on democratic and republican parties.
Downside: he's going to be a write in candidate, for most of the US, except for Arizona and Utah.
IIRC, Better for America is one of the major PACs that worked for the Mitt Romney campaign, wasn't it?
[editline]8th August 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;50848679]Wait, I thought Trump was already the nominated republican candidate and it was just between him and Hillary now?[/QUOTE]
There can (and is) third party runners, it's just that they rarely get an notoriety during campaign season. This year they've gotten quite a lot compared to previous years but even then isn't enough for national recognition.
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;50848833]Downside: he's going to be a write in candidate, for most of the US, except for Arizona and Utah.[/QUOTE]
arizona and utah are both red states; having the republican vote split there could really fuck trump up bad
[QUOTE=TheHydra;50849092]arizona and utah are both red states; having the republican vote split there could really fuck trump up bad[/QUOTE]
depends, utah is not nearly blue enough for a red split to mean anything, as long as trump maintains a lead that is. for utah to be a theoretical 3 way split with hillary coming out ontop, she would need to win more votes than either trump and this guy and there might not be enough democrat votes in utah for that, idk i dont know the demographics that well
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;50848641]You are currently witnessing the GOP tearing itself apart.
I would not be surprised if the Republican party ceased to exist after this election due to the massive split in its voterbase.[/QUOTE]
This would be the greatest thing to come out of the election
Their grand plan is to split their own vote so Donald Trump doesn't win? Wouldn't endorsing someone that's already running be less expensive and stupid?
[QUOTE=Problem;50851044]Their grand plan is to split their own vote so Donald Trump doesn't win? Wouldn't endorsing someone that's already running be less expensive and stupid?[/QUOTE]
A Donald Trump presidency would honestly be more destructive to the GOP than another Clinton presidency.
No matter which candidate wins, both parties lose in this election.
[QUOTE=Problem;50851044]Their grand plan is to split their own vote so Donald Trump doesn't win? Wouldn't endorsing someone that's already running be less expensive and stupid?[/QUOTE]
Honestly there's not a whole lot the GOP could do right now that wouldn't come off as stupid. They've already got Trump hanging over their heads.
[QUOTE=soulharvester;50851070]a Donald Trump presidency would honestly be more destructive to the GOP than another Clinton presidency.
No matter which candidate wins, both parties lose in this election.[/QUOTE]
Right... So then endorse Clinton or Gary Johnson...? The only reason I see them doing this is they don't want to be seen as remotely bipartisan
[QUOTE=Problem;50851135]Right... So then endorse Clinton or Gary Johnson...? The only reason I see them doing this is they don't want to be seen as remotely bipartisan[/QUOTE]
I think the goal here is just to prevent protest votes against trump from going to Clinton tbh.
There's [i]a lot[/i] of classical conservatives who refuse to vote for Trump. McMillan and Johnson could easily spoil his vote, especially with the publicity that would come from major endorsements like Romney and other major Republican politicians.
If McMillan even hits that ~10% that Johnson is hitting right now in places like Utah, there's actually some possibility that Trump could flat-out lose stronghold Republican states. Big "if," though - depends on major endorsements and the media picking up on these third-party candidates.
[QUOTE=soulharvester;50851175]I think the goal here is just to prevent protest votes against trump from going to Clinton tbh.[/QUOTE]
Then it's pretty much a purely symbolic attempt.
Their logic: We don't want Trump to win, but we don't want Clinton to win. We know we won't win with our third party conservative candidate we back, but we don't want Trump to win, so we're going to split his vote so he loses, since we don't want protest votes to go to Clinton because we don't want her to win... or we just don't like the idea of her getting votes even though she's a better alternative to Trump...?
It's taking some real mental gymnastics to understand what the actual logic of this is beyond wasting money. I guess they're maybe playing the long game by trying to get this dude some national attention for a political career but other than that it makes no sense.
[QUOTE=Problem;50851431]Then it's pretty much a purely symbolic attempt.
Their logic: We don't want Trump to win, but we don't want Clinton to win. We know we won't win with our third party conservative candidate we back, but we don't want Trump to win, so we're going to split his vote so he loses, since we don't want protest votes to go to Clinton because we don't want her to win... or we just don't like the idea of her getting votes even though she's a better alternative to Trump...?
It's taking some real mental gymnastics to understand what the actual logic of this is beyond wasting money. I guess they're maybe playing the long game by trying to get this dude some national attention for a political career but other than that it makes no sense.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's a matter of not wanting Clinton to win either, it's just a matter of saving face in light of their constituents. If you're a Republican congressman in a hardcore Republican area, even if Trump is an asshole it may not help your own reelection by endorsing a Democrat.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50852397]I don't think it's a matter of not wanting Clinton to win either, it's just a matter of saving face in light of their constituents. If you're a Republican congressman in a hardcore Republican area, even if Trump is an asshole it may not help your own reelection by endorsing a Democrat.[/QUOTE]
Why wouldn't they endorse Johnson, then?
[QUOTE=Monkah;50852424]Why wouldn't they endorse Johnson, then?[/QUOTE]
There could be a number of reasons. The Libertarian Party contrasts heavily with a number of GOP policies, particularly in social issues. A socially conservative Republican may have as much distaste for them as the Democrats. Or it could be that the LP is so unknown to his constituents that endorsing him won't make any difference. It could also be to not give a 3rd party more credit and limelight that could potentially threaten future GOP elections.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;50848641]You are currently witnessing the GOP tearing itself apart.
I would not be surprised if the Republican party ceased to exist after this election due to the massive split in its voterbase.[/QUOTE]
GOP cares more about preserving the party than winning. If Hillary wins, the party survives(but who knows what the hell kind of shitshow 2020 is going to be) but they have to look like they gave it a good fight not like they gave up because fuck it we're in a lose0lose situation
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