Trump Makes Deal with Carrier Air Conditioning to keep 1,000 Jobs in the US - Polidicks

[MEDIA]http://twitter.com/Carrier/status/803764047300722688[/MEDIA] [QUOTE]From the earliest days of his campaign, [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/topic/person/donald-trump?inline=nyt-per"]Donald J. Trump[/URL] made keeping manufacturing jobs in the United States his signature economic issue, and the decision by Carrier, the big air-conditioner company, to move 2,000 of them from Indiana to Mexico was a tailor-made talking point for him on the stump. [B]On Thursday, Mr. Trump and Mike Pence, Indiana’s governor and the vice-president elect, plan to appear at Carrier’s Indianapolis plant to announce they’ve struck a deal with the company to keep roughly half of the jobs in the state,[/B] according to officials with the transition team as well as Carrier. [/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/business/trump-to-announce-carrier-plant-will-keep-jobs-in-us.html[/URL] [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjfoAtaXREQ"]He made the call![/URL] The absolute madman! [del]shit I meant to post this in SH, can a mod please move this?[/del] Thanks OvB

-snip-

So the government interfered in the marketplace, probably by giving special favors to a "chosen winner". This is considered a win for the free-market? If Republicans had any integrity, they'd be angry about this, because it flies in the face of everything they used to say was their ideology. But I've stopped being surprised at GOP hypocrisy.

[QUOTE=gman003-main;51448063]So the government interfered in the marketplace, probably by giving special favors to a "chosen winner". This is considered a win for the free-market? If Republicans had any integrity, they'd be angry about this, because it flies in the face of everything they used to say was their ideology. But I've stopped being surprised at GOP hypocrisy.[/QUOTE] This. The government should not be giving special favors to specific businesses.

[QUOTE=gman003-main;51448063]So the government interfered in the marketplace, probably by giving special favors to a "chosen winner". This is considered a win for the free-market? If Republicans had any integrity, they'd be angry about this, because it flies in the face of everything they used to say was their ideology. But I've stopped being surprised at GOP hypocrisy.[/QUOTE] It's politics, nobody actually has an ideology. Take our Conservative's austerity measures, it seems oddly coincidental that they disproportionately affect the people who don't vote for them doesn't it? Almost as if our government are only doing things to gain votes and therefore don't have to about the people who won't vote for them. Point being, under the current systems the politicians will say and do anything, just as long as they get to stay in a job. The GOP and Trump know that despite this technically going against their so called ideals and the ideals of their voters, it will net them public favor from people who won't think about it too deeply, so they're doing it.

[QUOTE=gman003-main;51448063]So the government interfered in the marketplace, probably by giving special favors to a "chosen winner". This is considered a win for the free-market? If Republicans had any integrity, they'd be angry about this, because it flies in the face of everything they used to say was their ideology. But I've stopped being surprised at GOP hypocrisy.[/QUOTE] Not to mention this sets a horrible precedent. Any company could just threaten to leave the country and hold their manufacturing jobs hostage to get Donald Trump to give them free shit.

[QUOTE=gman003-main;51448063]So the government interfered in the marketplace, probably by giving special favors to a "chosen winner". This is considered a win for the free-market? If Republicans had any integrity, they'd be angry about this, because it flies in the face of everything they used to say was their ideology. But I've stopped being surprised at GOP hypocrisy.[/QUOTE] Big government is a capitalists best friend. Lot of people see it the other way around. You as a company are going to cut costs wherever possible, if a government offers you a deal, you'll take it. A lot of large projects are like this. Companies will negotiate tax cuts or government loans in return for building a factory that hires a few thousand people. Company gets to build their thing, politician gets to say they brought jobs to their county. [editline]29th November 2016[/editline] Thread moved.

[QUOTE=gman003-main;51448063]So the government interfered in the marketplace, probably by giving special favors to a "chosen winner". This is considered a win for the free-market? If Republicans had any integrity, they'd be angry about this, because it flies in the face of everything they used to say was their ideology. But I've stopped being surprised at GOP hypocrisy.[/QUOTE] I don't know anyone saying that this is a win for the free market. Trump isn't a conservative.

please mr. president, it's too much winning, we can't take it anymore

whats the catch? at the end of the day, half the workforce is getting pink slips so its not really a deal, plus they're still building the plant in mexico regardless of anything trump could do

so now companies can gamble US citizen's jobs for more money or less regulation. Nice fucking job trump, way to show how much companies can grab the government by the balls.

[QUOTE=Sableye;51448135]whats the catch? at the end of the day, half the workforce is getting pink slips so its not really a deal, plus they're still building the plant in mexico regardless of anything trump could do[/QUOTE] Catch probably has to do with the 35% tariff Trump threatened them with. We will find out during the formal announcement on Thursday.

love this part though! [quote]In addition, Mr. Trump is expected to tone down his rhetoric threatening 35 percent tariffs on companies like Carrier that shift production south of the border.[/quote] But hey, I won't criticize the saving of 1000 jobs - if the president elect truly had any real impact on it. I would still say that a stronger and more efficient way to make american jobs better (regardless of those that have left the country) would be to strengthen unions across industries and the country to make all jobs livable jobs. Unions are comparatively stronger in manufacturing industries; perhaps they might help the other sectors of the economy provide higher wages to all Americans so that we won't have to rely on the president elect to pull in corporate heads and personally negotiate with them.

Our President-elect stops 1000 jobs from leaving our country months before he takes office but it's Trump so attack him about free market even though FP was in the bag for Bernie. :downs: [QUOTE=sgman91;51448127]I don't know anyone saying that this is a win for the free market. Trump isn't a conservative.[/QUOTE] He's a quasi-paleocon.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;51448162]Our President-elect stops 1000 jobs from leaving our country months before he takes office but it's Trump so attack him about free market even though FP was in the bag for Bernie. :downs:[/QUOTE] [quote]In exchange for keeping the factory running in Indianapolis, Mr. Trump and Mr. Pence are expected to reiterate their campaign pledges to be friendlier to business by [b]easing regulations and overhauling the corporate tax code.[/b][/quote] Yeah, Trump sold out the working people but fuck it at least we'll be employed! Safety and HR regulations are already horrible but let's make it worse so we can keep a mid-sized factory in business!

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51448142]Catch probably has to do with the 35% tariff Trump threatened them with. We will find out during the formal announcement on Thursday.[/QUOTE] you mean ontop of the 35% corporate tax they theoretically pay? ya right. what got them to stay is that they have lots of government contracts, but even then those are pretty secure because holy fuck just certifying a brand new suppler of washers for a jet engine takes ages they got a sweatheart deal that probably lets them pay 0 taxes at all

[QUOTE=King Tiger;51448162]Our President-elect stops 1000 jobs from leaving our country months before he takes office but it's Trump so attack him about free market even though FP was in the bag for Bernie. :downs: He's a quasi-paleocon.[/QUOTE] He stops 1000 jobs from leaving but lets another 1000 slide by and even pays the bastards for it. He said he was gonna take a hard stance on this shit but he doesn't seem that tough rn.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;51448162]Our President-elect stops 1000 jobs from leaving our country months before he takes office but it's Trump so attack him about free market even though FP was in the bag for Bernie. :downs:[/QUOTE] What kind of thinking does it take for someone to say "Trump is gonna bring back the free market and get rid of all the red tape!" and then turn around and say "Why are you people complaining about Trump making a total mockery of the free market and imposing regulations on businesses who don't agree to deal with him while paying off those who do?" That is the absolute opposite of free market policies but in the worst way possible.

is America great again yet

[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;51448287]is America great again yet[/QUOTE] No, but I'm having a blast.

[QUOTE=cdr248;51448201]He stops 1000 jobs from leaving but lets another 1000 slide by and even pays the bastards for it. He said he was gonna take a hard stance on this shit but he doesn't seem that tough rn.[/QUOTE] Right now he has as much power as you or I do. He made a deal right now before all 2000 jobs left. [QUOTE=Snowmew;51448206]What kind of thinking does it take for someone to say "Trump is gonna bring back the free market and get rid of all the red tape!" and then turn around and say "Why are you people complaining about Trump making a total mockery of the free market and imposing regulations on businesses who don't agree to deal with him while paying off those who do?" That is the absolute opposite of free market policies but in the worst way possible.[/QUOTE] He never said he was going to "bring back the free market." You made that up. He, like every single American politician ever, said "Of course we want free and fair trade but it has to be [B]fair[/B] big league." That was his emphasis the entire campaign, it's obvious that the caveat was the real statement. "Free trade" is what has caused so many jobs to be outsourced in the first place. And so far he's remained perfectly consistent. Once again, attack Trump at all costs at the expense of truth.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;51448371]Right now he has as much power as you or I do. [/QUOTE] i'll have whatever this guy is smoking

[QUOTE=King Tiger;51448371]Right now he has as much power as you or I do. He made a deal right now before all 2000 jobs left.[/QUOTE] How do you feel about the fact that he made this deal by reducing regulations meant to protect the working man. Feel free to ignore this question at your earliest convenience.

[QUOTE=Paramud;51448431]How do you feel about the fact that he made this deal by reducing regulations meant to protect the working man. Feel free to ignore this question at your earliest convenience.[/QUOTE] This is actual evidence of Trump coning his supporters

[QUOTE=Paramud;51448431]How do you feel about the fact that he made this deal by reducing regulations meant to protect the working man. Feel free to ignore this question at your earliest convenience.[/QUOTE] [quote]“I’m ready for him to come,” said Robin Maynard, a 24-year veteran of Carrier who builds high-efficiency furnaces and earns almost $24 an hour as a team leader. “Now I can put my daughter through college without having to look for another job.”[/quote] Sounds like the working man just hates him! I have no idea what specifically is going to be changed. The article did not go into any more detail than saying "easing regulations." That could be removing random and useless permits that have to be purchased for almost everything in a factory like this. It could be something else entirely.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;51448532]Sounds like the working man just hates him! I have no idea what specifically is going to be changed. The article did not go into any more detail than saying "easing regulations." That could be removing random and useless permits that have to be purchased for almost everything in a factory like this. It could be something else entirely.[/QUOTE] Well shit man, if Robin likes him it's all good. Someone who earns $24 an hour in a factory is [b]not[/b] a working man. Most of the managers I used to work under didn't even make that much. In fact, I seriously doubt he's a "team leader," since most of the team leads I've known barely made more than the people they were leading.

[QUOTE=Paramud;51448573]Well shit man, if Robin likes him it's all good. Someone who earns $24 an hour in a factory is [b]not[/b] a working man. Most of the managers I used to work under didn't even make that much. In fact, I seriously doubt he's a "team leader," since most of the team leads I've known barely made more than the people they were leading.[/QUOTE] [quote=outrageous post by Paramud]$24/hr is too rich to be a working man[/quote] Jesus Christ I guess our country truly is lost then. I like the immediate jump to source assassination since you still can't seem to fathom why working people would support Trump.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;51448588]Jesus Christ I guess our country truly is lost then. I like the immediate jump to source assassination since you still can't seem to fathom why working people would support Trump.[/QUOTE] The only way you're gonna make $24 an hour in a factory as a "working man" is if the minimum wage is $23 an hour. The only people who make that kind of money in factories are managers and supervisors, the kind of people who obviously would directly benefit from cutting a deal with Trump in exchange for keeping on some of the people they'd otherwise kick out in an instant.

I've never worked in a factory but I feel like saying someone who makes $24 an hour isn't a working man is a bit outrageous. Does someone have to be busting their ass for nothing to be considered working? You might be right saying he's not [I]working class.[/I] But work is work. [editline]29th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Paramud;51448600]The only way you're gonna make $24 an hour in a factory as a "working man" is if the minimum wage is $23 an hour. The only people who make that kind of money in factories are managers and supervisors, the kind of people who obviously would directly benefit from cutting a deal with Trump in exchange for keeping on some of the people they'd otherwise kick out in an instant.[/QUOTE] He's a 24 year veteran so he's likely salaried line manager.

[QUOTE=Paramud;51448573]Well shit man, if Robin likes him it's all good. Someone who earns $24 an hour in a factory is [b]not[/b] a working man. Most of the managers I used to work under didn't even make that much. In fact, I seriously doubt he's a "team leader," since most of the team leads I've known barely made more than the people they were leading.[/QUOTE] You're way out of whack here. $24 is a solid, blue collar wage. Minimum wage isn't meant to match a blue collar living wage. Its [I]minimum[/I]. Shit tier.