CIA experimented on humans in black sites - Polidicks

[img]http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20141220/391088_CIA-torture.jpg[/img] [quote=PressTV]As the United States struggles with the fallout of the recently disclosed CIA torture report, a new analysis reveals that human experimentation was a “core feature” of the spy agency’s torture program.The Nation Magazine says in a report that the experimental nature of the CIA’s torture program is clearly evident in the Senate Intelligence Committee’s executive summary of its investigative report. Based on the Senate report, the CIA employed brutal techniques like waterboarding, physical abuse, sleep deprivation, mock executions, and threats of sexual abuse to interrogate the so-called terror suspects imprisoned after the September 11, 2001 attacks. The CIA demanded that the controversial summary be redacted to obfuscate the locations of the laboratories where cruel human experimentations took place as well as the identities of those who conducted them. The CIA hired [b]two psychologists[/b], James Mitchell and Bruce Jessen, to lead the project, according to the report.[b]The duo designed interrogation and detention protocols that they applied to people held in the CIA’s secret “black sites.”[/b] The CIA defended the decision to hire the psychologists. “We believe their expertise was so unique that we would have been derelict had we not sought them out when it became clear that CIA would be heading into the uncharted territory of the program.” The spy agency told the Senate that their findings had resulted in intelligence that helped keep Americans safe. [b]Mitchell and Jessen had previously studied the effects of torture on American prisoners of war and were curious to know whether theories of [u]“learned helplessness” derived from experiments on dogs might actually work on humans.[/u][/b][b]To implement those theories, the psychologists oversaw or personally engaged in techniques intended to produce “debility, disorientation and dread” in inmates.[/b][/quote] [img]http://www.thenation.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/main_node_view_image/torture_iraq_ap_img.jpg[/img] [quote=The Nation]But here we are again. This brings us back to Mitchell and Jessen. Because of their experience as trainers in the military’s Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape (SERE) program, after 9/11 they were contacted by high-ranking Pentagon officials and, later, by lawyers who wanted to know whether some of those SERE techniques could be reverse-engineered to get terrorism suspects to talk. The road from abstract hypotheticals (can SERE be reverse-engineered?) to the authorized use of waterboarding and confinement boxes runs straight into the terrain of human experimentation. On April 15, 2002, Mitchell and Jessen arrived at a black site in Thailand to supervise the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, the first “high-value detainee” captured by the CIA. By July, Mitchell proposed more coercive techniques to CIA headquarters, and many of these were approved in late July. From then until the program was dry-docked in 2008, at least thirty-eight people were subjected to psychological and physical torments, and the results were methodically documented and analyzed. That is the textbook definition of human experimentation.[/quote] Sources: [url]http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/12/20/391088/cia-experimented-on-humans-in-jails/[/url] [url]http://www.thenation.com/article/193185/cia-didnt-just-torture-it-experimented-human-beings[/url] More about the two psychologists: [url]http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/12/12/mallick_the_torture_twins_behind_the_us_cia_report.html[/url]

I'm not surprised. The CIA, especially post-9/11, has always been really fucked up. They need to be controlled, this kind of stuff is getting out of hand.

You mean one of the oldest activities in human history is still happening? Who would've thought. [editline]Dec[/editline] We should push for a public outcry so that we can push this back into the shadows so that we can go back to pretending like it's not happening for another couple decades.

[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;46762098]I'm not surprised. The CIA, especially post-9/11, has always been really fucked up. They need to be controlled, this kind of stuff is getting out of hand.[/QUOTE] Its hard to control when the CIA just bribes courts etc with money.

[QUOTE=mix999;46762087]Mitchell and Jessen had previously studied the effects of torture on American prisoners of war and were curious to know whether theories of “learned helplessness” derived from experiments on dogs might actually work on humans.[/QUOTE] Reminds me of when Lenin went to see Pavlov and asked him to help remodel Soviet citizens the same way he did with dogs.

The Republicans love this shit, they justify it by saying the terrorists aren't citizens and don't deserve the same rights as such. They actually buy that the CIA torture "saved the day".

I feel like the NSA/CIA are very well in control but the idea that you can say "well they were so rouge we didn't have anything to do with it!" is such an easy scapegoat to make

This is Nazi-tier kinds of fucked up.

We've known that learned helplessness works on humans since the 80's. These guys weren't experimenting at all they just tried to torture with it.

When are the creepypastas due?

this all feels familiar..

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;46762236]You mean one of the oldest activities in human history is still happening? Who would've thought.[/QUOTE] And this somehow makes it okay? Are you fucking nuts?

impeach obama

H-how about that Eric Garner case?!

[QUOTE=ToumaniSquirrel;46763104]H-how about that Eric Garner case?![/QUOTE] Why bring that here?

Wasn't it also revealed the military used men to rape their captives?

they make it sound like they were turning them into David Cronenburg monsters. Nice sensationalism [editline]21st December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Vasili;46763389]Wasn't it also revealed the military used men to rape their captives?[/QUOTE] No.

I wonder if the government can actually stop them from doing it.

What a bullshit, sensationalist title.

Why does it feel like Fallout is becoming more and more reality. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitpost" - SteveUK))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=freaka;46763662]Why does it feel like Fallout is becoming more and more reality.[/QUOTE] Think of it that way, that's one step closer to Liberty Prime

[QUOTE=NotMeh;46762856]And this somehow makes it okay? Are you fucking nuts?[/QUOTE] Right, because that is totally what I said.

[QUOTE=Vasili;46763389]Wasn't it also revealed the military used men to rape their captives?[/QUOTE] They shoved tubes up their asses to feed them, not sure if it would count as rape.

[QUOTE=formatme;46762263]Its hard to control when the CIA just bribes courts etc with money.[/QUOTE] its hard to even understand whats happening in the CIA when they just lie to the civilian oversight agencies

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;46762500]the japanese did worse stuff than the nazis in terms of human experimentation[/QUOTE] But it's clear that the exact same mentality was at work here. These two men deliberately put data ahead of human rights, in violation of virtually every scientific code of ethics. Or, you know, basic human code of ethics.

[QUOTE=Bradyns;46762444]This is Nazi-tier kinds of fucked up.[/QUOTE] Nazis took children and subjected them to dissection while still alive to learn the workings of the human body. The CIA used a behavioral technique to try to get detainees to cooperate and give up information willingly. Not even remotely in the same category, and the title of this thread is sensationalist as hell for clearly trying to connote the sort of experimentation the Nazis and Japanese did to prisoners when the extent of the 'human experimentation' is applying known psychological theories to interrogation. Even regular police regularly engage in psychological manipulation (good cop/bad cop) to extract information, and the FBI has entire libraries on psychological techniques for interrogation without physical abuse. That's the alternative to physical torture that everyone keeps saying the CIA should have been doing instead when they hold the FBI up as a better example. And for what it's worth, these two 'psychologists' were armchair psychologists and have been known since the closure of the torture program to have basically gamed the system for profit. They weren't qualified and didn't know what the hell they were doing, but they convinced the cabinet to put them in charge of designing a torture program against the recommendations of CIA senior officials. They didn't have any idea what they were doing, but to call an amateurish interrogation method based on decades-old psychological research 'human experimentation' is one hell of an exaggeration.

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[QUOTE=LuaChobo;46762500]the japanese did worse stuff than the nazis in terms of human experimentation tbh, only difference is that the US got all of the data when they surrendered[/QUOTE] * pardonned the scum who did the torture for the data.

Here's the truth: any developed nation does the same fucked up shit that the CIA does. The only difference is that the CIA wears their retardation proudly and lets everybody know that they're retarded.

[QUOTE=catbarf;46764553] And for what it's worth, these two 'psychologists' were armchair psychologists and have been known since the closure of the torture program to have basically gamed the system for profit. They weren't qualified and didn't know what the hell they were doing, but they convinced the cabinet to put them in charge of designing a torture program against the recommendations of CIA senior officials. They didn't have any idea what they were doing, but to call an amateurish interrogation method based on decades-old psychological research 'human experimentation' is one hell of an exaggeration.[/QUOTE] Wait, wasn't there a Law and Order episode about this?