Top US checkpoint refusals - General

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Ku17CqdZg[/media] [quote]Checkpoints (some would say illegal checkpoints) have been popping up quite frequently in the USA. As you see in this video, you DO NOT have to comply with their question’s or demands. Don’t forget, you have rights.[/quote]

[quote]As you see in this video, you DO NOT have to comply with their question’s or demands. Don’t forget, you have rights.[/quote] Sure go ahead, but you'll just come off as a dick wasting people's time and getting yourself in unnecessary trouble, when all you have to do is say "yes" and be on your way.

[QUOTE=Ninja Duck;39812963]Sure go ahead, but you'll just come off as a dick wasting people's time and getting yourself in unnecessary trouble, when all you have to do is say "yes" and be on your way.[/QUOTE] Not completely true. The family in the motor home at the end couldn't get by without the guy wanting to check their vehicle without a warrant, complete bullshit.

That last one at the end where the driver asks him questions was too great.

I understand that they won't pull over or let their vehicle be checked or anything, but I dont get why they wont answer the question 'Are you a US citizen?' It isnt the officer's fault that they are there, though they could talk/act with a little more tact rather than coming off like they have total authority over you.

AM I BEING DETAINED? YOU NEED TO ANSWER MY QUESTION!

Only thing i could about after he said it: [video=youtube;hDoGqZUHVEI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDoGqZUHVEI[/video] Also some (american) people need to lighten up a bit.

Look at all these dicks doing their job God how i hate them doing what they're paid to do If you have a problem take it up with the person setting up these things. don't be rude to the people who probably don't care if you go or not Watching this is just so weird, it's like a troll going around looking to start a conversation with someone, instead of just saying "yes, i am an American citizen" they sit there say "am i free to go?" over and over Yeah, take that America, muh freedoms

The last one is the best way to do this. Since when are there checkpoints past the border? I live in GA so I don't deal with that bullshit daily. Worst I had to do was get command approval to let a canadian trucker on base because he was delivering office furniture to us. Oh no, canadian truck driver isnt amurican so he must be a terrorist.

if it isn't a SECURITY checkpoint they have no right to search your car as they dont have a warrant

I had to deal with these bullshit checkpoints when I was traveling from the El Paso airport into New Mexico with family to help them move. I couldn't believe that we had this shit here. It's obviously not constitutional, because it would violate freedom of movement- which the SCOTUS has established, unfortunately, in Dred Scot- as well as potentially be unlawful detainment and unlawful search and seizure. The fact that I have to sit and answer 20 questions and let some cop know my intent and every move to move within and between states of the same country, is obviously invasive and infringing upon my basic liberties to move unmolested, and to do so with a certain right to privacy and protection form questioning (5th) and search/detainment (4th). Cyheckpoints can kiss my ass alongside the TSA.

It isnt that they are doing their job, it is that they are conducting illegal searches with no cause. I mean really... Why are you wanting to search my vehicle, uuuuh, because it is dirty...

I dunno, some (most) of these could have been resolved a lot more tactfully and without being a complete dickwad to the person...

I don't think some you guys are understanding this. The border patrol and such are setting up check points away from the border to inspect vehicles for and goods in them, and to ensure the passengers are US citizens. This is fine and dandy if this was on the entrance to the US, but it isn't. They do not have a reason to assume you are not a citizen. With some of the later ones, they are stopping people from entering the state by wanting to search their vehicle. In the US you are allowed to travel from California to Massachusetts without being stopped to ensure your a US citizen. There is no reason for these federal agents to be setting up checkpoints for this. You are innocent until proven guilty.

how large is your dick, you have to answer my question it's a matter of security

[QUOTE=Ninja Duck;39812963]Sure go ahead, but you'll just come off as a dick wasting people's time and getting yourself in unnecessary trouble, when all you have to do is say "yes" and be on your way.[/QUOTE] I take it you picked up the can when the Combine asked you too so nicely then?

these checkpoints should ONLY exist at the border. the unconstitutionality and bullshittyness of this is seriously alarming

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUzd7G875Hc[/media] One of those guys in the video is this guy.

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];39813569']I had to deal with these bullshit checkpoints when I was traveling from the El Paso airport into New Mexico with family to help them move. I couldn't believe that we had this shit here. It's obviously not constitutional, because it would violate freedom of movement- which the SCOTUS has established, unfortunately, in Dred Scot- as well as potentially be unlawful detainment and unlawful search and seizure. The fact that I have to sit and answer 20 questions and let some cop know my intent and every move to move within and between states of the same country, is obviously invasive and infringing upon my basic liberties to move unmolested, and to do so with a certain right to privacy and protection form questioning (5th) and search/detainment (4th). Cyheckpoints can kiss my ass alongside the TSA.[/QUOTE] I had to answer questions and it was awful MY RIGHTS WERE MOLESTED

I really dislike videos like this. It's fine if you think certain laws and practices are unconstitutional but acting passive-aggressively with officers and wasting everyone's time isn't the right way to go about getting your voice heard. Those agents don't make policy. If you find something unconstitutional, whether it's border checkpoints, gun control, searches, etc, take it up with the offices that instated those policies. Make your voice hear at council meetings and voting booths. As for the checkpoints seen in this video, I've passed through many of them myself. They are pretty common along I10 and rarely are they a major inconvenience. In most cases it's 30 seconds, one question, and a quick flash of your ID. Their purpose is to catch out illegal immigrants; it's relatively easy to get across into the states via many points along our 1000's of miles of border with Mexico but there are only a handful of transport routes to monitor. It is simply more effective to perform those checks within the states. They're not really interested in where you are going if you're a legal citizen; those questions are there to gauge your reactions as a measure of truthfulness.

[QUOTE=Sleepy Head;39813811]these checkpoints should ONLY exist at the border. the unconstitutionality and bullshittyness of this is seriously alarming[/QUOTE] Yeah, you can even ignore how unconstitutional it is. Nobody wants to live under the constant pressure that, at any time or place, they could be processed by an authority to determine whether or not they're guilty of something. That's some totalitarian bullshit. Not cool. [editline]5th March 2013[/editline] It's like the IRS setting up auditing checkpoints, or the cops showing up in a restaurant and demanding searches of all the patrons. Most people would not be okay with that but it's the same thing at its core.

i can't understand why you wouldn't just say yes. In England we don't have anything like this, at least not anything on this level why do they refuse? is it just frustration at being stopped, i can't understand the reasoning behind this

[QUOTE=_Maverick_;39814399]i can't understand why you wouldn't just say yes. In England we don't have anything like this, at least not anything on this level why do they refuse? is it just frustration at being stopped, i can't understand the reasoning behind this[/QUOTE] because it's a direct violation of the fourth and fifth amendments to question these people

The problem is, this problem needs to be fought in the courtrooms, not in the street. Hassling one or two agents somewhat (though reasonably) is not really fixing anything. I think this is a problem, a severe one, and it needs to be fixed. But that's [I]only[/I] going to happen in a court.

[QUOTE=Ninja Duck;39812963]Sure go ahead, but you'll just come off as a dick wasting people's time and getting yourself in unnecessary trouble, when all you have to do is say "yes" and be on your way.[/QUOTE] the checkpoints shouldn't be there in the first place. being non-cooperative with the officer's requests sends a point that there is absolutely no legal authority for the checkpoint and that they are a waste of time in the first place. it's one of the reasons why i never consent to searches or drug tests unless the officer has a warrant or some form of legal authority to perform the search. the other side of it is that we have these rights for a reason(to protect us against unnecessary authority), if we don't exercise these rights and fight for these rights, then we sort of begin to lose them.

I really thought Zavala was gonna punch the dude.

[QUOTE=michaeldim;39814732]The problem is, this problem needs to be fought in the courtrooms, not in the street. Hassling one or two agents somewhat (though reasonably) is not really fixing anything. I think this is a problem, a severe one, and it needs to be fixed. But that's [I]only[/I] going to happen in a court.[/QUOTE] Refusing to have your car searched and then getting the shit kicked out of you and your car broken into is a severe problem. Either we ignore our rights, or we get the shit kicked out of us. What people don't understand is that it is all about principle as was said at one point in the video.

[QUOTE=IdiotStorm;39813940]I had to answer questions and it was awful MY RIGHTS WERE MOLESTED[/QUOTE] I had to have my butthole fingered it was awful MY RIGHTS WERE MOLESTED I had to have my internet history watched it was awful MY RIGHTS WERE MOLESTED I had to have my trial without a lawyer it was awful MY RIGHTS WERE MOLESTED it's not like these laws are here for important reasons or anything, let's just fucking throw them all out, who cares amiright?

Its completely legal for them to ask this. In fact this just pisses me off...

I am in no means for this, I'm simply curious. What is the difference between this kind of check point and let's say a drunk driving check point? Do the police for a booze check point have kind of a general warrant to ask you questions / test you / search the car?