• Paris Will Start Swabbing High Schoolers to See If They're Smoking Pot
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Source: [url]https://news.vice.com/article/paris-will-start-swabbing-high-schoolers-to-see-if-theyre-smoking-pot[/url] See links in the article for primary sources (in French). [quote][b]High school students in and around Paris could soon be asked to submit to saliva drug screenings, after the Île-de-France regional council approved a measure to finance swab tests to detect cannabis and breathalyzer tests to monitor whether students are drinking in school.[/b] Principals will be able to opt into the scheme, which is part of a wider [url=http://www.iledefrance.fr/sites/default/files/cr_89-16.pdf]campaign[/URL] against teen drug abuse. Addressing the regional council Thursday, Agnès Evren, the region's vice-president who is also in charge of education, said that cannabis was "a major cause of school dropout, lack of motivation, concentration issues, and academic failure." "Ten percent of teens in the Île-de-France smoke more than one joint a day, a figure that has more than doubled in three years," she [url=https://twitter.com/iledefrance/status/733326789510975489]said[/URL]. "We cannot remain powerless in the face of this scourge." Under the new guidelines, principals will also be able to carry out breathalyzer tests in school. "Some principals tell me they've seen 10th grade students showing up wasted at 10 AM," Evren claimed. The saliva tests to detect weed use will be administered by medical personnel in schools, and the results will be subject to doctor-patient confidentiality. [B]Students over 18 will be given their test results. In the case of students who are still minors, the results will be forwarded to their parents. School officials will not have access to individual results. Instead, the screening process will give principals the general statistics on cannabis use in their school.[/b][/quote]
Talk about an invasion of privacy. I could understand if you got caught doing shit previously, but this is sorta ridiculous.
Yes that's totally going to work France, just look no further than the good old US of Abstinance, where a single possession charge renders millions of students inevitable to federal scholarship money's and there exists a high-school to prison pipeline for drug offenses [editline]21st May 2016[/editline] I don't even understand their mentality, every French student I've ever met smokes like a factory, if you want to encourage healthy behaviors, cut down on your teen smoking rate first
[QUOTE=Sableye;50364605]Yes that's totally going to work France, just look no further than the good old US of Abstinance, where a single possession charge renders millions of students inevitable to federal scholarship money's and there exists a high-school to prison pipeline for drug offenses [editline]21st May 2016[/editline] I don't even understand their mentality, every French student I've ever met smokes like a factory, if you want to encourage healthy behaviors, cut down on your teen smoking rate first[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50364564]Talk about an invasion of privacy. I could understand if you got caught doing shit previously, but this is sorta ridiculous.[/QUOTE] Hey... Guys: [b]School officials will not have access to individual results. Instead, the screening process will give principals the general statistics on cannabis use in their school.[/b] Seems to me they will not be naming the swabs, just taking them and testing them in bulk, just getting back a 'positives' number.
[QUOTE=nuttyboffin;50364716]Hey... Guys: [b]School officials will not have access to individual results. Instead, the screening process will give principals the general statistics on cannabis use in their school.[/b] Seems to me they will not be naming the swabs, just taking them and testing them in bulk, just getting back a 'positives' number.[/QUOTE] Still, there should be an option to opt out. Does this only work for smoking cannabis or eating it as well? What if the student rectally took half a gram of BHO? Seems like an expensive way to collect seemingly useless data
[QUOTE=nuttyboffin;50364716]Hey... Guys: [b]School officials will not have access to individual results. Instead, the screening process will give principals the general statistics on cannabis use in their school.[/b] Seems to me they will not be naming the swabs, just taking them and testing them in bulk, just getting back a 'positives' number.[/QUOTE] But the data WILL have names, because the students parents will be informed of the individual students results, just because they forward a copy to the parents doesn't mean they aren't building a database
[QUOTE=nuttyboffin;50364716]Hey... Guys: [b]School officials will not have access to individual results. Instead, the screening process will give principals the general statistics on cannabis use in their school.[/b] Seems to me they will not be naming the swabs, just taking them and testing them in bulk, just getting back a 'positives' number.[/QUOTE] The results still get sent back to the parents of those under 18. That doesn't sit well with me, for some reason.
[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;50364766]The results still get sent back to the parents of those under 18. That doesn't sit well with me, for some reason.[/QUOTE] I think that is good, honestly, if your under 18 pot fucks with your brain, it's not a opinion, it's a fact. It's a fact I have cousin who is pretty much mentally retarded, destroyed all his grades because he was smoking pot from a young age. It's a fact that I have a few stoners in my class, all of them are absolutely failing the course. (no exceptions) I have no problem with people smoking weed, but only if they are past the age they have mentally matured, unlike half of facepunch here...
[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;50364766]The results still get sent back to the parents of those under 18. That doesn't sit well with me, for some reason.[/QUOTE] Who cares if it's an invasion of privacy? They're for one, breaking the law, and two, wasting taxpayer's money by going to school inebriated. Why the fuck should a school waste a bunch of resources teaching shit these kids won't even remember? Their parents have a right to know, they are kids who are too young to make good decisions. The parents should be able to choose to opt-out, I suppose. Also, to anyone who thinks this is evidence, providing an anecdote that you used to go to school high all the time and still remember things from it, doesn't prove anything.
[QUOTE=cody8295;50364745]Still, there should be an option to opt out. Does this only work for smoking cannabis or eating it as well? What if the student rectally took half a gram of BHO? [B]Seems like an expensive way to collect seemingly useless data[/B][/QUOTE] Yeah, seems like it's just a "feel good" measure.
[QUOTE=nuttyboffin;50364795]I think that is good, honestly, if your under 18 pot fucks with your brain, it's not a opinion, it's a fact. It's a fact I have cousin who is pretty much mentally retarded, destroyed all his grades because he was smoking pot from a young age. It's a fact that I have a few stoners in my class, all of them are absolutely failing the course. (no exceptions) I have no problem with people smoking weed, but only if they are past the age they have mentally matured, unlike half of facepunch here...[/QUOTE] I'm not saying you're wrong because I really don't know, I'm not a marijuana scientist, but neither of your examples actually prove what you're saying.
[QUOTE=Sableye;50364754]But the data WILL have names, because the students parents will be informed of the individual students results, just because they forward a copy to the parents doesn't mean they aren't building a database[/QUOTE] Only if you're a minor, and if you're a minor you've got no business smoking pot anyway.
[QUOTE=nuttyboffin;50364795]I think that is good, honestly, if your under 18 pot fucks with your brain, it's not a opinion, it's a fact. It's a fact I have cousin who is pretty much mentally retarded, destroyed all his grades because he was smoking pot from a young age. It's a fact that I have a few stoners in my class, all of them are absolutely failing the course. (no exceptions) I have no problem with people smoking weed, but only if they are past the age they have mentally matured, unlike half of facepunch here...[/QUOTE] I feel like anyone who wants the right to use anecdotes should be forced to take a statistics 101 class. [editline]21st May 2016[/editline] Usually pot smoking is a symptom rather than a cause of failing in school.
[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;50364833]I feel like anyone who wants the right to use anecdotes should be forced to take a statistics 101 class. [editline]21st May 2016[/editline] Usually pot smoking is a symptom rather than a cause of failing in school.[/QUOTE] Lol, saying anecdotes are useless, then proceeding with a "usually blah blah blah...". [URL="https://www.ncjrs.gov/ondcppubs/publications/pdf/marijuana_myths_facts.pdf"]https://www.ncjrs.gov/ondcppubs/publications/pdf/marijuana_myths_facts.pdf[/URL] [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/31/opinion/what-science-says-about-marijuana.html?_r=0"]http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/31/opinion/what-science-says-about-marijuana.html?_r=0[/URL] [URL="http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/07/marijuana-academic-problems/2399693/"]http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/07/marijuana-academic-problems/2399693/[/URL] [URL="https://teens.drugabuse.gov/blog/post/marijuana-use-can-lower-your-grades"]https://teens.drugabuse.gov/blog/post/marijuana-use-can-lower-your-grades[/URL] [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/apr/11/cannabis-smokers-risk-poorer-grades-dutch-study-legalisation"]http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/apr/11/cannabis-smokers-risk-poorer-grades-dutch-study-legalisation[/URL] [URL="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2910149/"]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2910149/[/URL] Smoking weed just impairs someone who is going to school, even if it isn't the cause. This decreases the likelihood of kids smoking weed. This is good.
[QUOTE=nuttyboffin;50364795]I think that is good, honestly, if your under 18 pot fucks with your brain, it's not a opinion, it's a fact. It's a fact I have cousin who is pretty much mentally retarded, destroyed all his grades because he was smoking pot from a young age. [B]It's a fact that I have a few stoners in my class, all of them are absolutely failing the course. (no exceptions) [/B] I have no problem with people smoking weed, but only if they are past the age they have mentally matured, unlike half of facepunch here...[/QUOTE] just cause you smoke pot doesn't mean you're gonna fail your courses and flunk out. i know kids who smoke on a day-to-day basis and are the brightest people you'd ever meet. i've done that shit and i've never gotten anything below a b. weed isn't a symptom to failure and whatever else, it's just weed. maybe they have other reasons why they're failing besides the usual "well that kid is a pothead, that explains it".
[QUOTE=Rocko's;50364859]just cause you smoke pot doesn't mean you're gonna fail your courses and flunk out.[B] i know kids who smoke on a day-to-day basis and are the brightest people you'd ever meet. i've done that shit and i've never gotten anything below a b. weed isn't a symptom to failure and whatever else, it's just weed. [/B]maybe they have other reasons why they're failing besides the usual "well that kid is a pothead, that explains it".[/QUOTE] That isn't evidence of anything. That doesn't mean that you or your friends wouldn't be possibly smarter/have better marks if you never smoked. ANECDOTES ARE NOT EVIDENCE THIS IS WHY SH THREADS ARE FULL OF LOGICAL FALLACIES. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Chill out." - Pascall))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=TG2;50364873]That isn't fucking evidence. That doesn't mean fucking anything. ANECDOTES ARE NOT EVIDENCE THIS IS WHY SH THREADS ARE FULL OF FUCKING IDIOTS[/QUOTE] relax bro
[QUOTE=TG2;50364873]That isn't fucking evidence. That doesn't mean fucking anything. ANECDOTES ARE NOT EVIDENCE THIS IS WHY SH THREADS ARE FULL OF FUCKING IDIOTS[/QUOTE] How about tell the person who said weed pretty much causes mental retardation.
[QUOTE=TG2;50364873]That isn't fucking evidence. That doesn't mean fucking anything. ANECDOTES ARE NOT EVIDENCE THIS IS WHY SH THREADS ARE FULL OF FUCKING IDIOTS[/QUOTE] i'm sorry that i don't have statistics to back me up about my statement? i was just simply stating that just cause you smoke weed doesn't mean you're gonna fail. sure yes, there's a billion sources that show marijuana has an impact on kids in school, that's nice. but i also think there's more to it than just said person is doing drugs. there's other things to take into consideration, is all. that's what i was trying to say.
But no you won't, because you only attack people who dont share your view. goddamnit merge lol, because no one can see your edit.
[QUOTE=nuttyboffin;50364795]I think that is good, honestly, if your under 18 pot fucks with your brain, it's not a opinion, it's a fact. It's a fact I have cousin who is pretty much mentally retarded, destroyed all his grades because he was smoking pot from a young age. It's a fact that I have a few stoners in my class, all of them are absolutely failing the course. (no exceptions) I have no problem with people smoking weed, but only if they are past the age they have mentally matured, unlike half of facepunch here...[/QUOTE] I smoked 3g a day since I was 16 (6 years ago), I never study, and I always passed with higher grades than the majority of my class, even in college. Your cousin probably isn't interested in learning. I'd show up ripped everyday. I know plenty of people who WEREN'T stoners who failed too. Not trying to dismiss weed as a contributer to a lack of motivation, but I think it depends on the person using it. It can go both ways. You can smoke regularly and stay motivated. Others smoke and get lazy as fuck [editline]21st May 2016[/editline] Not gonna disagree with the fact that smoking regularly will fuck you up though, my short term memory was pretty shit even when I wasn't high, though it's getting better now that I quit. [editline]21st May 2016[/editline] And smoking from a young age is DEFINITELY bad, not trying to justify that either
[QUOTE]How about tell the person who said weed pretty much causes mental retardation.[/QUOTE] I don't care? That's irrelevant. I used to smoke weed every fucking day, wasting thousands of dollars and hours of my time. Anecdotes are fun. [QUOTE]i'm sorry that i don't have statistics to back me up about my statement? i was just simply stating that [B]just cause you smoke weed doesn't mean you're gonna fail.[/B] sure yes, there's [B]a billion sources that show marijuana has an impact on kids in school[/B], that's nice. but [B]i also think there's more to it than just said person is doing drugs[/B]. there's other things to take into consideration, is all. that's what i was trying to say.[/quote] Reread what you just said, please. This also just discourages kids from going to school high, which impairs learning. They don't even involve the law and just inform the parents which does help with other mental issues at home which they might be resorting to marijuana for. [quote]relax bro[/quote] Sorry to offend you, I tidied up my post for you.
[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;50364822]Only if you're a minor, and if you're a minor you've got no business smoking pot anyway.[/QUOTE] French parents already let them smoke tobacco without issue They don't even have a smoking age from what I can tell, just a feel good purchase age and a ban on smoking in school, if they're concerned about pot messing up youths heads, why then do they allow smoking at any age They are concerned about substance abuse except cigarettes are just as bad as a substance as pot and booze
[QUOTE=nuttyboffin;50364795]I think that is good, honestly, if your under 18 pot fucks with your brain, it's not a opinion, it's a fact.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't it be more like 25-ish? The brain doesn't stop developing at 18.
[QUOTE=TG2;50364915]I don't care? That's irrelevant. I used to smoke weed every fucking day, wasting thousands of dollars and hours of my time. Anecdotes are fun.[/QUOTE] the post you exploded at was making the point that anecdotal evidence is useless, because there will always be other anecdotes that condradict and you exploded at rocko because he was using an anecdote how sad that your reading comprehension is so terrible, maybe you'll blame the weed for that too
[QUOTE=TG2;50364915]I don't care? That's irrelevant. I used to smoke weed every fucking day, wasting thousands of dollars and hours of my time. Anecdotes are fun. Reread what you just said, please. This is also just stopping kids who go to school high, which impairs learning. Sorry to offend you, I tidied up my post for you.[/QUOTE] i did reread what i said, all i said is that it's nice that there are sources claiming weed has an impact on kids in school. there's also reports about how games have an impact on kids in schools. how tv has an impact on kids in schools. there's so many sources that make these kind of claims, but the problem is you can never be sure that weed/games/tv/etc. are the sole reason for someone failing their classes. some people aren't motivated at all in their classes.
[QUOTE=Sableye;50364918]French parents already let them smoke tobacco without issue[/QUOTE] What was the point of this post? [QUOTE]But no you won't, because you only attack people who dont share your view. goddamnit merge lol, because no one can see your edit.[/QUOTE] How do you know that's "my view" on marijuana? Kids shouldn't smoke weed, it affects both memory and other cognitive faculties such as communicating/speech and obscures long-term goals a person can hold before regularly consuming. It is immediate satisfaction from doing something without actually accomplishing anything besides using a lighter.
mouth swabs don't only detect when you're high, they can detect if you've smoked within the past 3 or 4 days. i agree that kids shouldn't be showing up to school high, and detecting if the kid is high/drunk at school is within the school's jurisdiction, but if they want to smoke a joint on the weekend i don't believe the school should be involved there, which a mouth swab test could easily detect
[QUOTE=bitches;50364934]the post you exploded at was making the point that anecdotal evidence is useless, because there will always be other anecdotes that condradict and you exploded at rocko because he was using an anecdote how sad that your reading comprehension is so terrible, maybe you'll blame the weed for that too[/QUOTE] Oh, I guess you missed my point then that by using an anecdote, they are useless. Thanks for proving your reading comprehension is poorer than mine. [QUOTE]mouth swabs don't only detect when you're high, they can detect if you've smoked within the past 3 or 4 days. i agree that kids shouldn't be showing up to school high, and detecting if the kid is high/drunk at school is within the school's jurisdiction, but if they want to smoke a joint on the weekend i don't believe the school should be involved there, which a mouth swab test could easily detect[/QUOTE] Kids should not be smoking marijuana, period. It is a waste of people's money (both for the person getting high and their parents and teachers who have to work harder to provide for them) to get high, be it everyday or once a week, and one of the reasons so many education systems in Western countries continue to pump out kids who have a limited worldview and don't know anything.
[QUOTE=TG2;50364951]Oh, I guess you missed my point then that by using an anecdote, they are useless. Thanks for proving your reading comprehension is poorer than mine. Kids should not be smoking marijuana, period. It is a waste of people's money (both the person getting high and their parents and teachers who have to work harder to provide for them) to get high, be it everyday or once a week, and one of the reasons so many education systems in Western countries pump out kids who have a limited worldview and don't know anything.[/QUOTE] do you even understand what "anecdote" means? how is it invalid to demonstrate the uselessness of anecdotal evidence by proving contradictory anecdotal evidence exists? and regardless, anecdotal evidence is still useful to point out flaws in overgeneralized arguments that make wild sweeping claims without proper evidence of their own
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