Turkey and Brazil give Iran Enriched Uranium - Polidicks

[URL]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/17/AR2010051700105.html?hpid=moreheadlines[/URL] Or rather, they agree to do it. [QUOTE] [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/countries/iran.html?nav=el"]Iran[/URL] reached a surprise nuclear agreement with [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/countries/brazil.html?nav=el"]Brazil[/URL] and Turkey on Monday, a deal that threatens to undermine the Obama administration's efforts to stem the Iranians' nuclear ambitions -- and, more broadly, the U.S. diplomatic strategy. This Story [LIST] [*][URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2010/05/17/ST2010051701617.html"]Analysis: Iran creates illusion of progress in nuclear negotiations[/URL] [*][URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/17/AR2010051700105.html"]Iran reaches nuclear deal with Brazil and Turkey[/URL] [/LIST] The deal revives a concept first broached by the administration last year. Iran will send part of its stockpile of low-enriched uranium to Turkey for safekeeping, possibly within a month, in exchange for enough higher-enriched uranium to fuel a 42-year-old, U.S.-built research reactor that produces medical isotopes. Iran will not, however, halt its uranium enrichment or enter into substantive negotiations on its program. Analysts say Iran has effectively created the illusion of progress in nuclear negotiations with the West without offering what the United States and its allies have long demanded. As a result, the Obama administration now faces the uncomfortable prospect of rejecting a proposal it offered nearly eight months ago -- or seeing months of effort to enact new sanctions derailed. If the United States presses ahead with a sanctions resolution in the United Nations, Brazil and Turkey might decide to vote against it, undercutting U.S. officials' desire for international unity on Iran's nuclear ambitions. The new deal widens a divide between a group of countries led by the United States on the one hand and some developing nations on the other over the right of Iran and other developing countries to use nuclear energy. Countries such as Brazil and Turkey, but also [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/countries/egypt.html?nav=el"]Egypt[/URL] and Indonesia, increasingly view the Western-led debate over Iran's nuclear program as an important test case for their own nuclear ambitions. Though the United States and its allies say they fear nuclear proliferation, some developing nations say that world powers are determined to control nuclear technology and want to prevent the development of independent nuclear energy programs. In announcing the new deal, Brazilian Foreign Minister Celso Amorim said that Iran has a right to a "full nuclear fuel cycle, including enrichment," and condemned any new sanctions. "This plan is a route for dialogue and takes away any grounds for sanctions," Amorim told reporters. In an earlier interview, he said that it is time for the West to come to terms with the fact that Iran has a nuclear program. Iran was previously confronted by "Western countries with nuclear weapons," he noted. "Why were Indonesia, [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/countries/mexico.html?nav=el"]Mexico[/URL] or Brazil not involved?" Brazil and Turkey, which were represented by their presidents in the talks, invested significant diplomatic cache in the talks. Non-permanent members of the Security Council rarely intervene in a process led by nuclear powers, and in many ways the result could be seen as a revolt by smaller powers over the rights to nuclear power and prestige. The new agreement is based on a proposal that Iran had agreed to in October after talks with the United States, [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/countries/france.html?nav=el"]France[/URL] and [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/countries/russia.html?nav=el"]Russia[/URL]. That plan was originally intended as a confidence-building measure that, in effect, would have paused the Iranian program and allowed for international talks to proceed. It also was intended to prevent Iran from trying produce the more highly enriched uranium itself. (More in the link.) [/QUOTE]In a nutshell, Turkey and Brazil see the US's support of sanctions on Iran as a threat to their own nuclear capabilities. So they've decided to get backbones and stick it to us Americans, and side with the Iranians. Lovely huh? Certainly it's not because they haven't been attacked for no good reason by a bunch of religious zealots that said nation supports in that that area of the world, right? It's not their problem. They aren't getting bombed, and it's none of their damned business.. I don't trust Iran that much frankly, they're ruled by fanatics. It's their nature to be duplicitous, despite whatever religious decree they have that forbids nuclear weapons. Fanatics justify everything.

Shit.

It warms my heart to see the nations of the world sharing with one another. :unsmith:

Wait so iran gives them low enriched and they give high? why do they want the low?

Isn't the stuff Turkey and Brazil are giving Iran only usable for peaceful means? Like, can't be used in bombs or anything.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;22017687]Isn't the stuff Turkey and Brazil are giving Iran only usable for peaceful means? Like, can't be used in bombs or anything.[/QUOTE] It's in the shape of a reactor rod. Same shit though if I remember correctly.

Iran gives them the low enriched and Brazil enriches it for them. Of course they are still enriching it themselves so this is just a way for them to get more enriched Uranium until they can make it themselves. I'm all for Nuclear power (and submarines if you really want them), but nothing should be a secret. No off limits areas due to military secrets, all plants and facilities accounted for, all enriched Uranium kept track of and additional security on everywhere. Brazil, Pakistan, Iran and Indonesia all have paramilitary groups nearby that would love the chance to use a Nuclear bomb or even threaten someone with it. Iran has accountability, terrorists and Guerrillas don't.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;22017687]Isn't the stuff Turkey and Brazil are giving Iran only usable for peaceful means? Like, can't be used in bombs or anything.[/QUOTE] If it's enriched then it can be used in both bombs and reactors.

[QUOTE=Cheezy;22017725]If it's enriched then it can be used in both bombs and reactors.[/QUOTE] Low enriched Uranium can be used in reactors just as well, and most countries are ok with that. There are loopholes with Medical reactors and Nuclear Submarines that require high enriched Uranium though so they can always weasel out of it. If they had a more modern Medical reactor, I don't think they would need as much.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;22017720]I'm all for Nuclear power (and submarines if you really want them), but nothing should be a secret..[/QUOTE] Go write your social security number on a bathroom wall with your name and credit card number, and when you are up to your armpits in bills tell me the mistake you just made.

This is stupid, Iran is peaceful at the moment, clearly they are just out to get more electricity. Typical American racism to think of "all arabs alike". Jerks...

You should listen to what Iran's leader says.

[QUOTE=zombojoe;22018315]You should listen to what Iran's leader says.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://www.celebrityclubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Sort_of_want.jpg[/IMG]

Iran Enriched Uranium? i'm interested

[quote=Butthurt American]In a nutshell, Turkey and Brazil see the US's support of sanctions on Iran as a threat to their own nuclear capabilities. So they've decided to get backbones and stick it to us Americans, and side with the Iranians. Lovely huh? Certainly it's not because they haven't been attacked for no good reason by a bunch of religious zealots that said nation supports in that that area of the world, right? It's not their problem. They aren't getting bombed, and it's none of their damned business.. I don't trust Iran that much frankly, they're ruled by fanatics. It's their nature to be duplicitous, despite whatever religious decree they have that forbids nuclear weapons. Fanatics justify everything.[/quote] You're fighting Iraq, not Iran... :psyboom:

[QUOTE=Vinze;22019101]You're fighting Iraq, not Iran... :psyboom:[/QUOTE] Iran's part of the [b]AXIS OF EVIL-IL-IL-ILLllll[/b]

I'd try and get nukes if I were Iran.

Good. Maybe now we'll see how harmless Iran's intentions are.

[QUOTE=Xystus234;22017645][URL]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/17/AR2010051700105.html?hpid=moreheadlines[/URL] Or rather, they agree to do it. In a nutshell, Turkey and Brazil see the US's support of sanctions on Iran as a threat to their own nuclear capabilities. So they've decided to get backbones and stick it to us Americans, and side with the Iranians. Lovely huh? [b]Certainly it's not because they haven't been attacked for no good reason by a bunch of religious zealots that said nation supports in that that area of the world, right? It's not their problem. They aren't getting bombed, and it's none of their damned business..[/b] I don't trust Iran that much frankly, they're ruled by fanatics. It's their nature to be duplicitous, despite whatever religious decree they have that forbids nuclear weapons. Fanatics justify everything.[/QUOTE] Perhaps you should know what the fuck you're writing about before deciding to do so. Turkish soldiers are being killed by terrorists in the mountain ranges, they constantly show it on the news. One thing you must realize is that terrorism affects everyone in the middle east, you Americans for some reason take it as if it's some personal struggle even though you only had one attack.

[i]some people only understand force.[/i]

[QUOTE=WOO v5;22019295]Perhaps you should know what the fuck you're writing about before deciding to do so. Turkish soldiers are being killed by terrorists in the mountain ranges, they constantly show it on the news. One thing you must realize is that terrorism affects everyone in the middle east, you Americans for some reason take it as if it's some personal struggle even though you only had one [B]successful[/B] attack.[/QUOTE] I fixed the part where you're wrong. There are still plenty of people trying to attack us, their plots have just been discovered before they could pull it off.

Just so everyone knows, the uranium that Turkey and Brazil are enriching for Iran cannot physically be turned into nuclear weapons once they're made into fuel rods. This is Iran trying to show the world that they really only wanted to use them for Power Plants, like they originally claimed. Though, nothing is stopping them for getting more uranium and turning it into weapons.

Turkey, I thought you were our friend :frown:

Oh boy, more fun times ahead

Why is most of the users in this thread including the OP so disappointed? This is a GOOD thing. This is what the the U.S and the West wanted.

You need plutonium to make nuclear weapons. Don't know if Iran has that.

[QUOTE=archangel125;22022546]You need plutonium to make nuclear weapons. Don't know if Iran has that.[/QUOTE] You can make 'em without.

That's MAD.

Turkey can forget a place in the EU now.

[QUOTE=glennman94;22023004]Turkey can forget a place in the EU now.[/QUOTE] What have they done wrong? All they've done is taken uranium that COULD be made into weapons in exchange for fuel rods which CAN'T be made into weapons.