• Republican Leader: "We will repeal Obamacare"
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[quote]The Republicans' two most senior leaders pledged on Wednesday to repeal Obamacare. House Speaker John Boehner and current Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell vowed in a joint op-ed yesterday evening in the Wall Street Journal to 'honor the voters’ trust' by focusing, first, on jobs and the economy. That 'also means renewing our commitment to repeal ObamaCare, which is hurting the job market along with Americans’ health care,' the duo wrote. The assurance sets up a showdown with the lame duck president over his signature law, as well as Senate Democrats, a few of whom would need to break ranks and vote with the GOP in order to make repeal possible. It also reduces the likelihood that conservatives who are unhappy with McConnell's leadership in the Senate will try to block him from ascending to majority leader. [/quote] [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2823649/Republican-bosses-repeal-Obamacare-McConnell-Boehner-promise-showdown-White-House-lame-duck-president-s-key-policy.html[/url] Goddamn it.
For fuck's sake. Republicans if you seriously undo this you are actually going to have wasted the entirety of Obama's presidency, eight years of American prosperity, over the fact that a black Democrat got elected and you didn't. Especially when it was [B]Romney's fucking idea to start with[/B].
The thing that worries me are the Democrats who are seeking reelection. Look at how many Democratic candidates distanced themselves from the ACA and President Obama during the midterms. [video=youtube;3p5kzwd7mZo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p5kzwd7mZo[/video]
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;46430182]Especially when it was [B]Romney's fucking idea to start with[/B].[/QUOTE] People really need to stop saying this. One of the core tenets of US conservatism is state's rights and the ability of the states to do what they want far beyond the federal government. The fact that Romney instituted a plan with similarities to Obamacare on a state level, in a very liberal state that wanted it, has nothing to do with a federal plan.
[QUOTE=sgman91;46430195]People really need to stop saying this. One of the core tenets of US conservatism is state's rights and the ability of the states to do what they want far beyond the federal government. The fact that Romney instituted a plan with similarities to Obamacare on a state level, in a very liberal state that wanted it, has nothing to do with a federal plan.[/QUOTE] The core idea is definitely there and the plan was slightly modified. I just don't see how Republicans can denounce the ACA when their party's candidate tried to implement it, regardless of whether it was on a state level or not.
The thing I despise the most about the Republicans is how they're refusing to coöperate, doing their best to undo what Obama did and then go "see? he didn't deliver on his promises". No fucking shit he can't do it alone and you flatout refuse to do ANYTHING that he wants.
[quote]Republicans if you seriously undo this you are actually going to have wasted the entirety of Obama's presidency, eight years of American prosperity, over the fact that a black Democrat got elected and you didn't.[/quote] They don't care. They have their own agenda and they'll literally burn every bridge the democrats built to get their way. It's been like this for decades.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;46430217]The thing I despise the most about the Republicans is how they're refusing to coöperate, doing their best to undo what Obama did and then go "see? he didn't deliver on his promises". No fucking shit he can't do it alone and you flatout refuse to do ANYTHING that he wants.[/QUOTE] And the unfortunate thing is, to anyone who isn't paying attention, it looks like the Democrats and the president aren't doing anything.
[QUOTE=Korova;46430208]The core idea is definitely there and the plan was slightly modified. I just don't see how Republicans can denounce the ACA when their party's candidate tried to implement it, regardless of whether it was on a state level or not.[/QUOTE] If that's what you think, then you have literally no understanding of the general conservative beliefs about state's rights. The idea is that you can have a lot of different states where people can have localized control over their own policies. So people of similar beliefs in Massachusetts are able to get a more centralized healthcare system, while people in Texas with similar beliefs can have a completely free market healthcare system. This localization of policy allows groups of likeminded people to have policies that work for them instead of generalised policies forced onto everybody. So if the people under Romney in Massachusetts wanted that kind of healthcare (They did), then that's what the state should give them. The very fact that it was done on a state level is an application of conservative ideals. [editline]7th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=BuffaloBill;46430217]The thing I despise the most about the Republicans is how they're refusing to coöperate, doing their best to undo what Obama did and then go "see? he didn't deliver on his promises". No fucking shit he can't do it alone and you flatout refuse to do ANYTHING that he wants.[/QUOTE] I've never heard any republican say that Obama didn't deliver on a promise that the republicans undid. Would you mind giving an example?
[QUOTE=sgman91;46430229]If that's what you think, then you have literally no understanding of the general conservative beliefs about state's rights. The idea is that you can have a lot of different states where people can have localized control over their own policies. So people of similar beliefs in Massachusetts are able to get a more centralized healthcare system, while people in Texas with similar beliefs can have a completely free market healthcare system. This localization of policy allows groups of likeminded people to have policies that work for them instead of generalised policies forced onto everybody. So if the people under Romney in Massachusetts wanted that kind of healthcare (They did), then that's what the state should give them. The very fact that it was done on a state level is an application of conservative ideals. [/QUOTE] And that's all fine and dandy but those ideals should be under ideal situations. I don't think many other states are able to implement something that is so complex when they're hardly able to afford their existing programs now. We're in the shit and the Republican party is trying their best to keep us in the shit until the 2016 elections come around so they can say "things sure are bad, aren't they?" States aren't competent enough to deal with such a task anyways. When you're dealing with health care and people's lives, it needs to be at a federal level or it will fail due to a lack of funding or a lack of proper representation. I can only imagine what would happen if the reddest of red states implemented their own health care plans. When you let states deal with something this massive and this important... You end up with these results [video=youtube;Dh9munYYoqQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh9munYYoqQ[/video] Also, I need to mention, how fucking inefficient would all these different state health care plans be? They'd need to write up the laws, they'd need to create an organization that would manage these plans. They'd need to find a way to get people signed up to them and they'd need to inform employers and citizens how everything works. Then... Good luck getting hospitals and individual practices to jump on board.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;46430182]For fuck's sake. Republicans if you seriously undo this you are actually going to have wasted the entirety of Obama's presidency, eight years of American prosperity, over the fact that a [B]black Democrat[/B] got elected and you didn't. Especially when it was Romney's fucking idea to start with.[/QUOTE] Uh. Are you insinuating that they're made that he's black? Really I wouldn't mind if the ACA was repealed and replaced with an actual good health care system, modeled after Canada or Europe. The fact that republicans have toyed with the idea before somewhat gives me hope.
Ah, yes, let's get rid of the closest thing we have to socialized healthcare because "muh state's rights" and "muh capitalism".
[QUOTE=Boaraes;46430962]Ah, yes, let's get rid of the closest thing we have to socialized healthcare because "muh state's rights" and "muh capitalism".[/QUOTE] It's deficient, like our previous system. It should be gotton rid of and replaced. The most optimal route is to pretty much tear down our health care institutions and start over.
Of course they are. That's been the GOP's schtick since ACA passed in the first place. The GOP will not stand for even an attempt at socialized healthcare in America. Doesn't matter how good it is, doesn't matter how happy the general populace is with it(And I honestly believe even them most vocal of red-voting rednecks would be shouting its praises from the rooftops after a year or so when their health and quality of life shoots through the roof while they make more money every two weeks since they don't need health insurance anymore), the GOP would still try to gut it. This country desperately needs a proper healthcare system, yet it's never going to get it as long as the GOP has any say in the matter. As much as I don't like the Dems either(Particularly on environmental, automotive, and firearms related issues, I swing very strongly red in this regard), they at least acknowledge we need it. [QUOTE=thelurker1234;46430933]Uh. Are you insinuating that they're made that he's black?[/quote] They may not be openly admitting it but a lot of them likely believe that way. I certainly wouldn't put it past them. [quote] Really I wouldn't mind if the ACA was repealed and replaced with an actual good health care system, modeled after Canada or Europe.[/quote] While I agree with this sentiment, let's be honest with ourselves: They won't. They'll try to rip it to shreds, and if they succeed, they'll just leave it to rot. LEave it to the industry to self-regulate, which it [i]clearly[/i] cannot do. The Republican Party does not want socialized healthcare, they believe that to be a valid free market, and will do anything they can to ensure it stays that way even if it hurts their own members. The truly laughable thing about it is that these idiots would directly benefit from proper socialized healthcare! The people who would stand to gain the most from a European style of healthcare system are the very people in the deep south, Texas and Midwest/Southwest who rage on endlessly against it, who call it commie bullshit, etc. A lot of them are pretty damned low on the income ladder and simply cannot afford a hospital trip with the system that we currently have and that they speak so loudly in favor of. That, I think, is what boggles my mind the most about it all.
Americans really do get shafted by republicans. Seriously, your average republican seems as extreme as our furthest right party UKIP. I would love to live in America but your political situation is even worse than ours.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;46431012]It's deficient, like our previous system. It should be gotton rid of and replaced. The most optimal route is to pretty much tear down our health care institutions and start over.[/QUOTE] Never going to happen, there's trillions on the table in medicare subsidies and insurance money, there's no way america could ever impliment anything barring another wave of democrats and look at the backlash from the very watered down aca Personally republicanism has nothing to do with this issue, if we have the means to ensure our citizens are healthy and able to see first rate doctors then they should have the means to do it, the insurance system has demonstrably been broke for decades and prevented a significant portion of the population from joining and had entire office building devoted to denying coverage and had little to no regulation. Our insurance system was the joke of the world and our healthcare is better now than it was in 2007 [editline]7th November 2014[/editline] Its not a state right to decide who gets healthcare or what programs their citizens are allowed to join, and the republicans have never announced anything to replace the aca
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;46430182]Especially when it was [B]Romney's fucking idea to start with[/B].[/QUOTE] Romney's idea, modified extensively by the Democrats, then forced through Senate majority without attempting to reconcile any of the disagreements with the Republicans. Then people act surprised when the Republicans don't want to cooperate with Democrats who ram new legislation past them through force of numbers. A functioning democracy requires compromise and [i]neither[/i] side has been willing to do so.
God forbid poor people get healthcare.
[QUOTE=AtomicWaffle;46431163]God forbid poor people get healthcare.[/QUOTE] The "Poor" that live in such prosperity that most have refrigerators. Freeloaders!
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;46430182]For fuck's sake. Republicans if you seriously undo this you are [B]actually going to have wasted the entirety of Obama's presidency, eight years of American prosperity[/B], over the fact that a black Democrat got elected and you didn't. Especially when it was [B]Romney's fucking idea to start with[/B].[/QUOTE] To be honest, this isn't a good argument. It's a policy that they're against, so to them, Obama is the one that wasted 8 years pushing it. It'd be like condemning people for wasting Reagan's presidency if they try to fix his trickle-down economics theory. Given, it's stupid for them to be so adamant and stubborn about cooperation, though.
Wow. Their first priority with their newfound Senate majority is "Take affordable healthcare away from people five years after the law passed"? Here I was thinking they finally figured out the utter futility of trying. Still never going to happen. They'd have to impeach Obama first.
[QUOTE=TestECull;46431045]The truly laughable thing about it is that these idiots would directly benefit from proper socialized healthcare! The people who would stand to gain the most from a European style of healthcare system are the very people in the deep south, Texas and Midwest/Southwest who rage on endlessly against it, who call it commie bullshit, etc. A lot of them are pretty damned low on the income ladder and simply cannot afford a hospital trip with the system that we currently have and that they speak so loudly in favor of. That, I think, is what boggles my mind the most about it all.[/QUOTE] This is what utterly befuddles me about many Republican supporters down there. They moan and bitch and whine about Obama's ideas for affordable healthcare. Then, when someone falls ill and can't afford healthcare, they bitch that it's Obama's fault. What the flying fuck is up with the way some American voters think? Are they really just that thick, or that convinced that everything is the [i]other guy[/i]'s fault? If someone could explain this to me, I'd be grateful. I mean, I thought UKIP voters were bad for this shit but the more I think about this the more mad I get at these people.
It says in the American constitution that they loved to jerk off over that the Government is responisble for the well being and healthcare of their people. If said properly, you could argue the conservatives are being un-American
[QUOTE=pentium;46430220]They don't care. They have their own agenda and they'll literally burn every bridge the democrats built to get their way. It's been like this for decades.[/QUOTE] The democrats also do this to the republicans The American political system is childish, regressive and embarrassing
The current Obamacare system is fucking broken and shit. It's a good start on the road to real socialized medicine and healthcare but compared to Canadian or European systems it's a motherfucking joke. The Republican party has fiddled with the notion of implementing REAL socialized healthcare in the past. I'm hopeful that they want to repeal Obamacare so they can fix it and roll out a real working socialized healthcare program. Because right now, regardless of what people think, Obamacare IS hurting American jobs. Even if its a start in the right direction the way it was done is making employers cut hours, increase costs, and stop hiring full-time to be able to afford it without cutting into their profits.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;46431346]The democrats also do this to the republicans The American political system is childish, regressive and embarrassing[/QUOTE] Yeah as an outside observer it would be comical if it wasn't so depressing to watch.
[QUOTE=Jon27;46431334]This is what utterly befuddles me about many Republican supporters down there. They moan and bitch and whine about Obama's ideas for affordable healthcare. Then, when someone falls ill and can't afford healthcare, they bitch that it's Obama's fault. What the flying fuck is up with the way some American voters think? Are they really just that thick, or that convinced that everything is the [i]other guy[/i]'s fault? If someone could explain this to me, I'd be grateful. I mean, I thought UKIP voters were bad for this shit but the more I think about this the more mad I get at these people.[/QUOTE] In fairness, my mom can't afford any of the insurance options available to her (the cheapest she can get in this region is a mind-boggling $700+ a month), and the cost of her treatments have gone through the roof since the ACA has been passed (from $1500 a treatment to well over $10K). Granted this is mostly my dumb-ass step-dad's fault because he had every opportunity to put her on his insurance plan for YEARS and he never fucking did it, but still.
Love all the republican bashing going on here. Obamacare either needs to be repealed or completely fucking overhauled. It literally does not work at all. I've worked at a doctors office for the last 4 summers and as each summer goes by you see more and more people being unable to afford their copays, insurance and prescriptions. Doctors hate going to work and many veterans are retiring. Above all this, the people who need healthcare the most are the ones who can't afford it because they are paying for the people who do not need it and exploit the broken system. Healthcare was in trouble from the start but now its completely fucking dysfunctional all because the retards in office didn't fucking READ what they were signing into law! Had they taken the time to read (dont blame them cuz its 1000s of pages or something) they would have realized "well wait a minute this doesnt sound right." this fucking government.
[QUOTE=KnightSolaire;46431088]Americans really do get shafted by republicans. Seriously, your average republican seems as extreme as our furthest right party UKIP. I would love to live in America but your political situation is even worse than ours.[/QUOTE] Americans get fucked by both parties, not just Republicans. [editline]7th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Squad1993;46431373] Had they taken the time to read (dont blame them cuz its 1000s of pages or something) they would have realized "well wait a minute this doesnt sound right." this fucking government.[/QUOTE] YES fucking blame them! It's their JOB to read and understand what they're pushing through into law! You CANNOT excuse them making shit decisions just because it would require reading a lot of shit! That is literally, 100%, THEIR JOB. If they cannot do it as required they should NOT be allowed to continue.
Yes let's spend time and effort repealing a system that is creating affordable healthcare instead of fixing other shit in the country that's more important. Good job, Republicans.
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