• Spanish prime minister says Spain will block Scots EU deal
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[QUOTE]THE Spanish prime minister Mariano Rajoy has said Scotland cannot negotiate its own deal for EU membership. Mr Rajoy dealt a devastating blow to Nicola Sturgeon’s attempts to protect Scotland’s position in the bloc when he said if the “United Kingdom leaves”, then “Scotland also leaves”. The Spanish prime minister’s remarks came as Ms Sturgeon travelled to Brussels for talks she has organised in a bid to maintain Scotland's EU membership. Spain has long been seen as a stumbling block for an independent Scotland’s EU membership. Faced with its own calls for independence from Catalan, Madrid has been keen to discourage separatist movements.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.scotsman.com/news/spanish-prime-minister-says-spain-will-block-scots-eu-deal-1-4164935"]http://www.scotsman.com/news/spanish-prime-minister-says-spain-will-block-scots-eu-deal-1-4164935[/URL] According to the express France has the same mindset.
Misleading headlines, what he's saying is basically that he wont negotiate with Scotland till they become independent. The EU has also already said this.
[QUOTE=Superkilll307;50618432]Misleading headlines, what he's saying is basically that he wont negotiate with Scotland till they become independent. The EU has also already said this.[/QUOTE] I think the point is in relation to Spain hampering seperatist movements, I imagine they'll continue to block it.
[QUOTE=Jame's;50618444]I think the point is in relation to Spain hampering seperatist movements, I imagine they'll continue to block it.[/QUOTE] They might but they probably wont. More than likely they'll just argue exceptional circumstance or something or make a fuss but not actually block it, if they did they would probably have come under a lot of pressure from some EU officials.
They have no need to add Scotland to the EU. Scotland in the UK makes sense, but Scotland alone, not so much.
[QUOTE=Boilrig;50618760]They have no need to add Scotland to the EU. Scotland in the UK makes sense, but Scotland alone, not so much.[/QUOTE] Does this come from the Big Boilrig Book of Brexit Facts? There's just as much cause to add Scotland to the EU as any other smaller country, we contribute decently to the UK GDP and have enough resources to contribute to the single market.
[QUOTE=AimlessGiant;50618923]Does this come from the Big Boilrig Book of Brexit Facts? There's just as much cause to add Scotland to the EU as any other smaller country, we contribute decently to the UK GDP and have enough resources to contribute to the single market.[/QUOTE] If Scotland was an independent country, it would be fine. [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/mar/24/ifs-scotland-debts-three-times-greater-uk[/URL] If the oil didn't drop so much, they would probably be much better off. Really rough summary: Scotland's powers are given to it, or what they actually have power over. It would lack a military/security, full government (central bank, etc), embassies, currency etc.
[QUOTE=AimlessGiant;50618923]Does this come from the [b]Big Boilrig Book of Brexit Facts[/b]? There's just as much cause to add Scotland to the EU as any other smaller country, we contribute decently to the UK GDP and have enough resources to contribute to the single market.[/QUOTE] thanks, I'm using this one
[QUOTE=Boilrig;50618760]They have no need to add Scotland to the EU. Scotland in the UK makes sense, but Scotland alone, not so much.[/QUOTE] Scotland's GDP alone would make it the 11th largest economy in the EU after the UK's exit. It would undoubtedly drop somewhat if they chose to leave, considering that they'd have to institute the governmental programs you already mentioned - but it's a slightly-above-middle-range economic power in the EU without the UK. It'd be fine. The independence in between leaving and joining the EU would be a trying time, but if they fast-tracked an independent Scotland back in, it would be great for the EU and for Scotland.
Spain shouldn't even be in the EU let alone dictate who goes in or not. They're a bankrupt nation that has compromised all of Europe by not protecting their borders.
[QUOTE]Mr Rajoy said: “I want to be very clear Scotland does not have the competence to negotiate with the European Union. Spain opposes any negotiation by anyone other than the government of United Kingdom.”[/QUOTE] Lol he really put Sturgeon in her place here, I imagine a lot of others in the EU think she's a bit of an upstart. Wasn't she denied entry from some meeting in Brussels? Anyway it's in Spain's best interest to not to encourage anymore thoughts of referendums / independence movements and so; they're currently shitting themselves over their own affairs.
There's a reasonable chance that companies would move from the UK to Scotland if they were in the eu and the uk isn't.
[QUOTE=NeonpieDFTBA;50620986]There's a reasonable chance that companies would move from the UK to Scotland if they were in the eu and the uk isn't.[/QUOTE] If Scotland actually survives the transition period, maybe. But mounting debt that Scotland now has might make it look unstable. We probably won't see companies move to Scotland, they would just move to Europe, but we will see companies leave Scotland if it happens, there are several engineering and defence companies up there that will move back to the UK due to the security ties of Five Eyes for example.
[QUOTE=Boilrig;50621100]If Scotland actually survives the transition period, maybe. But mounting debt that Scotland now has might make it look unstable. We probably won't see companies move to Scotland, they would just move to Europe, but we will see companies leave Scotland if it happens, there are several engineering and defence companies up there that will move back to the UK due to the security ties of Five Eyes for example.[/QUOTE] IS this the new line for scotland not to leave. It was "leave and you won't have the EU" Now the UK won't have the EU the line is "leave and you won't survive" This comes from the folks who branded professionals making accurate predictions on what would happen after Brexit, while threatening the nation with mass sex attacks, syria being in the EU and terrorism, as "project fear".
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50621106]IS this the new line for scotland not to leave. It was "leave and you won't have the EU" Now the UK won't have the EU the line is "leave and you won't survive" This comes from the folks who branded professionals making accurate predictions on what would happen after Brexit, while threatening the nation with mass sex attacks, syria being in the EU and terrorism, as "project fear".[/QUOTE] Scotland could certainly survive, but would they be better or worse off. Either public spending cuts or tax increases to help with: [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/mar/24/ifs-scotland-debts-three-times-greater-uk[/URL] Include the fact that it's not an independent government, has no military, no currency, no embassies etc. It would have to exit after UK leaves the EU, then take years reapplying. Apply for NATO etc. They would have a tough road ahead, and remember, Spain will be vetoing to avoid Catalonia getting any hope.
[QUOTE=Boilrig;50618760]They have no need to add Scotland to the EU. Scotland in the UK makes sense, but Scotland alone, not so much.[/QUOTE] spain are like one of the biggest users of scotlands waters for fishing, they'd be self harming for no reason to veto us when independent
[QUOTE=Boilrig;50621166]Scotland could certainly survive, but would they be better or worse off. Either public spending cuts or tax increases to help with: [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/mar/24/ifs-scotland-debts-three-times-greater-uk[/URL] Include the fact that it's not an independent government, has no military, no currency, no embassies etc. It would have to exit after UK leaves the EU, then take years reapplying. Apply for NATO etc. They would have a tough road ahead, and remember, Spain will be vetoing to avoid Catalonia getting any hope.[/QUOTE] Scotland would do better outside of Britain if we left the EU Mainly because the benefits of being in the EU would outweigh being in post-Brexit UK, which would be doomed to economic decline
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50621551]Scotland would do better outside of Britain if we left the EU Mainly because the benefits of being in the EU would outweigh being in post-Brexit UK, which would be doomed to economic decline[/QUOTE] Unless we do a race to the bottom and become casino albion
Isn't there a chance rajoy won't event be the Spanish prime minister? Unless he suddenly finds some friends and can form a coalition, otherwise it's another general election for him. Gotta keep the Catalonia's down.
[QUOTE=orgornot;50619610]Spain shouldn't even be in the EU let alone dictate who goes in or not. They're a bankrupt nation[/QUOTE] This is true. [QUOTE=orgornot;50619610]that has compromised all of Europe by not protecting their borders.[/QUOTE] but what is this oh my god rofl
[QUOTE=Liquidrocks;50621919]This is true. but what is this oh my god rofl[/QUOTE] It's orgornot. His avatar isn't ironic, he fully supports Trump and his insane policies. Draw whatever conclusions you may from that.
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