Rouhani clashes with Ayatollah over women's rights - Polidicks

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-27099151[/url] [quote]Iranian President Hassan Rouhani has urged equal opportunities and rights for men and women, and condemned sexual discrimination. In a speech marking Women's Day, Mr Rouhani criticised "those who consider women's presence society as a threat" and said Iran still had "a long way to go" to ensure gender equality. Mr Rouhani, a religious moderate, was elected to office in June 2013. Foreign activist groups argue that Iran's laws discriminate against women. Speaking on Sunday at the National Forum on Women Shaping Economy and Culture in Tehran, Mr Rouhani said: "We will not accept the culture of sexual discrimination." "Women must enjoy equal opportunity, equal protection and equal social rights," he said in comments that were broadcast live on television. "According to the Islamic rules, man is not the stronger sex and woman is not the weaker one," he said. 'Biggest mistakes' However, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the highest authority in Iran, said in comments on Saturday that gender equality was "one of the biggest mistakes of the Western thought". "Justice is a right. But equality is sometimes right and sometimes wrong," he said, according to his personal website.[/quote]

Fucking Ayatollah.

[QUOTE]However, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the highest authority in Iran, said in comments on Saturday that gender equality was "one of the biggest mistakes of the Western thought".[/QUOTE] does he have an account of facepunch or smth

Ayatollah Assahollah

First, some cleric in Pakistan renamed an Islamic Seminary for Women to Osama Bin Laden library. [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1387080[/url] Now, the Ayatollah of Iran called gender equality one of the biggest mistake of Western though. How do Muslim women feel about being a Muslim? If I am a Muslim women, I wouldn't feel too proud. I would be embarrassed to admit that I am Muslim.

Ayatollah? As in, the Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla? What, does Humungus run Iran?

I have a feeling that the Islamic Republic is going to drop the Islamic part in the coming decade.

[QUOTE=Person234;44601132]First, some cleric in Pakistan renamed an Islamic Seminary for Women to Osama Bin Laden library. [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1387080[/url] Now, the Ayatollah of Iran called gender equality one of the biggest mistake of Western though. How do Muslim women feel about being a Muslim? If I am a Muslim women, I wouldn't feel too proud. I would be embarrassed to admit that I am Muslim.[/QUOTE] Muslim women have no reason to give a shit. The largest denomination of Islamic followers don't even adhere to the same sect as Iran. The ones who do (Shia) don't give a shit about his interpretation. It is has long been held that some Islamic states (like Saudi Arabia) twist Islamic interpretation in order to shift the balance of power to the clerical ruling authority.

[quote]"Justice is a right. But equality is sometimes right and sometimes wrong," he said, according to his personal website.[/quote] can you sight an example of where equality of status has been wrong? nope didn't think so

[QUOTE=Explosions;44601192]I have a feeling that the Islamic Republic is going to drop the Islamic part in the coming decade.[/QUOTE] as long as khamenei lives, not a chance, and if his successor happens to be both as smart and holding the same views as him, its unlikely either. its funny how iran was actually pretty moderate back in the 60s, women didn't even had to use wear the hijab(it was actually crime to wear one during the reign of the 30-40s shah [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reza_Shah[/url]), you know, before the british fucked everything up(and dragged the americans along), by installing a new shah.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;44600893]does he have an account of facepunch or smth[/QUOTE] Sounds mostly like reddit-speak. If he was a Facepuncher, he'd be too busy getting into arguments about free speech or gun rights.

[QUOTE=Wizards Court;44602025]as long as khamenei lives, not a chance, and if his successor happens to be both as smart and holding the same views as him, its unlikely either. its funny how iran was actually pretty moderate back in the 60s, women didn't even had to use wear the hijab(it was actually crime to wear one during the reign of the 30-40s shah [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reza_Shah[/url]), you know, before the british fucked everything up(and dragged the americans along), by installing a new shah.[/QUOTE] It was moderate in the sense that it didn't enforce strict religious rules. The government before the coup wasn't was democratic or liberal as it may seem on the surface, although the motivations behind the coup were clearly British oils interests. The 1979 revolution didn't have much to do with democracy either, as it was part of an Islamic resurgence in the region during that time. The decades of oppression as well as the increasing conflict between the elected part of the government and the Ayatollahs with every new president makes me think that the Iranian people are getting fed up with these old fundamentalists dictating their lives.

[QUOTE=Explosions;44602063][B]It was moderate in the sense that it didn't enforce strict religious rules[/B]. The government before the coup wasn't was democratic or liberal as it may seem on the surface, although the motivations behind the coup were clearly British oils interests. The 1979 revolution didn't have much to do with democracy either, as it was part of an Islamic resurgence in the region during that time. The decades of oppression as well as the increasing conflict between the elected part of the government and the Ayatollahs with every new president makes me think that the Iranian people are getting fed up with these old fundamentalists dictating their lives.[/QUOTE] it was moderate in the sense it actually(like the turks, before idiots such as erdogan and few others before came along), actively sought to make iran more modern so to speak, opposing directly the desires of shia clerics and extremists, also before the british-american coup iran was moving towards the process of becoming a true democracy. iran is one the greatest examples of "you reap what you sow" in politics of the 20-21th century. :v:

[QUOTE=Wizards Court;44602124]it was moderate in the sense it actually(like the turks, before idiots such as erdogan and few others before came along), actively sought to make iran more modern so to speak, opposing directly the desires of shia clerics and extremists, also [b]before the british-american coup iran was moving towards the process of becoming a true democracy.[/b] iran is one the greatest examples of "you reap what you sow" in politics of the 20-21th century. :v:[/QUOTE] Not really, prior to British-American intervention their PM (who instated himself in an armed uprising) did nothing but seize more and more power, and religious extremism was on the rise even back then, if anything the British-American orchestrated coup staved off Islamism for a few years.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;44602175]Not really, prior to British-American intervention their PM (who instated himself in an armed uprising) did nothing but seize more and more power, and religious extremism was on the rise even back then, if anything the British-American orchestrated coup staved off Islamism for a few years.[/QUOTE] haha, what? you're saying that the british and americans actions which resulted in things like, working along with khasani(an ayatollah during the 50s) to overthrow a purely secular PM who actually wanted to do things like give women voting rights, and curtail the power religion had in iranian society STAVED OFF islamism? :suicide: thats very cute.

[QUOTE=Wizards Court;44602201]haha, what? you're saying the fact the british and americans which did things like, work along with khasani(an ayatollah during the 50s) to overthrow a purely secular PM who actually wanted to do things like give women voting rights, and curtail the power religion had in iranian society STAVED OFF islamism? :suicide: thats very cute.[/QUOTE] Yeah the Shah was a bit of a sadistic dictator, but he was able to keep the radicals in check for a while, under Mosaddegh (who as I said before, despite popular claim was hardly a democratic leader) things were falling apart quite rapidly. I'm not defending the actions of the US, UK, or Iranian governments in this, but this situation was pretty much already inevitable.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;44602228]Yeah the Shah was a sadistic dictator, but he was able to keep the radicals in check for a while, under Mosaddegh (who as I said before, despite popular claim was hardly a democratic leader) things were falling apart quite rapidly. I'm not defending the actions of the US, UK, or Iranian governments in this, but this situation was pretty much already inevitable.[/QUOTE] please elaborate how things were falling apart rapidly before the involvement of the british and americans, mosaddegh had immense support from the population in the cities, his opposition lied in the provinces, if there was indeed an "islamic uprising" before 1979, it would likely be crushed, because the left-wing and the islamists would not have been united under one banner, like it happened during 79, whatever you like it or not, it was western meddling in iranian policies that created the perfect environment for an islamic coup.