Women Should be Required to Register for the Selective Service Draft - General

Women have unjustly perpetually faced oppression and discrimination from men since the birth of the United States of America. 1848 was the first year women’s property was protected from their husbands, 1893 was the first year that women could vote in any state, 2013 is the first year women can serve in combat positions in the military. I advocate for equal gender rights and that each woman should be required to register for Selective Service just as males are required. I believe women should partake in the Selective Service System as men and women deserve equal rights and treatment under the law. If men are subjected to a fair lottery based draft when the country is in dire need of soldiers there is no logical reason to decline over half the population’s participation in it. On July 2nd, 1980 President Carter signed the Registration Under The Military Selective Service Act re-establishing the Selective Service registration requirement for all 18 to 26 year old males. Soon after the act was passed, a group of men sued the current director of the Selective Service at the time arguing that the exclusion of women made the registration requirement unconstitutional under the Fifth Amendment’s due-process clause. The Supreme Court ruled that the unequal and unfair treatment of women was acceptable as Congress and the Executive branch have decided that women should not serve in combat. This ban on women serving in combat rolls has now been lifted. The repeal of the ban invalidates the reasoning of the Supreme Court's ruling so I therefore strongly recommend the inclusion of females in the Selective Service Draft. Supreme court case: [url]http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=CASE&court=US&vol=453&page=57[/url]

Equality means everyone is equal in my book, either you want to be equal or not, none of this special exceptions bullshit. Women should face the same PT requirements too I think, it's bullshit that they have a more relaxed standard in general.

There shouldn't be a SSD if you ask me, but yes, they should be

Well given that women are now allowed to serve in combat roles in the military, yes they should also be required to be registered for the draft. However I do not believe a draft should exist. But that is a different argument that should stay out of this thread.

I think they should have to seeing as they are allowed in forward combat roles, if its equality women want than this is giving them that. How is it fair to men if women can volunteer but are not forced into the selective service. The draft would likely never be used anyway unless there was going to be some major conflict that would require more soldiers or the actual United States would be at risk of invasion.

People shouldn't be discriminated against based on gender period. So of course women should have to register for the draft. Now especially. Not that it matters anymore anyway. Modern warfare doesn't need drafts because war of that scale is unlikely, training is more limiting than manpower, and, of course, nuclear weapons mean that everyone would be dead before we reach the point of needing a draft.

Women shouldn't have to be drafted, men should have the freedom to not be.

women shouldn't have to be drafted. nobody should. the fact that they're exempt from SSD shows that the government is afraid of taking away freedoms under the flag of equality, because they know it will land them with a bad reputation. the sooner all military is abolished, the better.

I don't think that the draft will ever be used again, it's pretty archaic and unnecessary. They'd rather throw tons of incentives at people to get them to join. If they are required to join the draft, I could see there being issues with couples with children and such. The better solution to the problem is just to remove the draft altogether.

[QUOTE=Bobie;39388487] the sooner all military is abolished, the better.[/QUOTE] That'll happen when Hell freezes over

I don't think anybody should have to register. So I'd let women keep this one

Equality means [B][I]equality.[/I][/B] If the women can serve on front lines (which is where most draftees would probably go if it ever had to be invoked), then the women should have to register with the SSD as well. Personally I think it should be done away with as it seems rather pointless in this day and age.

What about those who insist that men will have an instinct to protect women over their other squad mates and what not? Could it possibly be detrimental?

I fully support such legislature to be actually universal. If I remember correctly, a female draft was actually almost instituted just before ww2 ended. It wasn't a soldier draft though, but one for nurses. So there's at least some precedent even inside of the US.

[QUOTE=MadPro119;39395176]What about those who insist that men will have an instinct to protect women over their other squad mates and what not? Could it possibly be detrimental?[/QUOTE] How would the draft even effect this? There are already women in the front lines

[QUOTE=MadPro119;39395176]What about those who insist that men will have an instinct to protect women over their other squad mates and what not? Could it possibly be detrimental?[/QUOTE] Those people are full of shit, obviously. Otherwise other countries would have had a problem with it already. I find it interesting how people always try to invent reasons not to do the simplest things. Inventing instincts? Really? Where would "protect women" even rank on the list of instincts? Somewhere below sex but above shower?

IMO people shouldnt be required to sign up.

[QUOTE=CloaknDagger;39395842]Those people are full of shit, obviously. Otherwise other countries would have had a problem with it already. I find it interesting how people always try to invent reasons not to do the simplest things. Inventing instincts? Really? Where would "protect women" even rank on the list of instincts? Somewhere below sex but above shower?[/QUOTE] Very good point. Thank you.

I guess on average a male would carry out some heavy duty better than a woman. But it goes without saying that there are some big, badass women out there, and I wouldn't hold them back from pursuing their goals, be it military or w/e. If they are up for it, then they probably are, and will do it better than many of the men.

who would work the factories if all the women and men were conscripted durring a war...., you have to have some populace at home and they have to be of optimal working age, the selective service is a leftover from another era though, and there probably won't ever be another conflict where the draft would be needed in the foreseeable future

[QUOTE=Sableye;39404890]who would work the factories if all the women and men were conscripted durring a war...., you have to have some populace at home and they have to be of optimal working age, the selective service is a leftover from another era though, and there probably won't ever be another conflict where the draft would be needed in the foreseeable future[/QUOTE] You say that like they draft every man. We are not dumb enough to draft too many men and women and will of course allow a good percentage of the population to stay and "work the factories". Besides with women drafted only half as many men would need to go to war.

Uhh, no. They shouldn't be forced to register for a draft. Neither should the men. The draft itself shouldn't even be there. We have a fuckhuge population that [i]willingly[/i] signs up for this shit, and if the war we're fighting that week is genuinely threatening our existence as a country the recruitment offices won't be able to keep up with the sheer volume of applicants. We have no need for a draft of any sort.

[QUOTE=MadPro119;39404955]You say that like they draft every man. We are not dumb enough to draft too many men and women and will of course allow a good percentage of the population to stay and "work the factories". Besides with women drafted only half as many men would need to go to war.[/QUOTE] Well, not exactly half. If we need a draft it would be because we need bodies, not brains, and in general men have better bodies than women for fighting. Then again, it could be a brain draft for pilots and such, then it might go to women because they're surpassing men in college education.

Of course they should, but I wonder how they'd bring it in. Signing up like 100 million people at once would be a massive undertaking

They should if men are, but ideally nobody should be forced to. Really it's kind of pointless to register anyway, it's not like they're actually going to be implementing the draft again. They learned their lesson after Vietnam.

If we accept that sexual discrimination is ongoing in America then it would be unjust to force women to fight for a country that sexually discriminates against them.

i go with yes but i don't support the draft. there's always this constant back and forth bullshitted argument coming from both sides. and i cannot begin to describe how much feminism pisses me off... well the kind of feminism that's blind and fascist. i see woman equal to man. my preconceptions about people are never formed upon skin tone, facial structure, gender or anything like that. i see people as people, nothing more, nothing less. so when i see facebook feed posts by girls complaining about cat calling and double standards i have to grit my teeth and keep myself from commenting "look at it from our side too honey, nobody has it all roses". the worst part is that these girls (mostly, i don't think you could really call my age group adults even though we technically are) are so for chivalry and all that bull shit. i know i'm probably sounding a bit ignorant and sexist but in the end it all boils down to some end of a joke i heard. why is it women and children first? the women should all be up at the top of the capsizing boat with the men while the violinist plays. that's the day i can really feel as though women are seen as equal. but the whole "women are softer" bullshit is perpetuated by both men and women. even by women who may think they're against it, IE: hypocrites. all of this is really deeply engrained into our society and i find it quite disgusting. also i've seen many military documentaries and was pretty disgusted whenever the narrator would say that a unit is men only. they'd always say it like it wasn't for pansies, so they might as well have said "no bitches in this unit son". women can be just as tough as men.

I think it's pretty fair to say that if men are, women should be. If women aren't required, then neither should men. We can all vote, we all pay taxes, and we should all share the military responsibilities, whatever those may be.

[QUOTE=TestECull;39405414]The draft itself shouldn't even be there. We have a fuckhuge population that [i]willingly[/i] signs up for this shit, and if the war we're fighting that week is genuinely threatening our existence as a country the recruitment offices won't be able to keep up with the sheer volume of applicants. We have no need for a draft of any sort.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and as long as people volunteer, we won't need to draft them. So why would you remove the draft system that you might need in the future?

[QUOTE=FoodStuffs;39422479]i go with yes but i don't support the draft. there's always this constant back and forth bullshitted argument coming from both sides. and i cannot begin to describe how much feminism pisses me off... well the kind of feminism that's blind and fascist. i see woman equal to man. my preconceptions about people are never formed upon skin tone, facial structure, gender or anything like that. i see people as people, nothing more, nothing less. so when i see facebook feed posts by girls complaining about cat calling and double standards i have to grit my teeth and keep myself from commenting "look at it from our side too honey, nobody has it all roses". the worst part is that these girls (mostly, i don't think you could really call my age group adults even though we technically are) are so for chivalry and all that bull shit. i know i'm probably sounding a bit ignorant and sexist but in the end it all boils down to some end of a joke i heard. why is it women and children first? the women should all be up at the top of the capsizing boat with the men while the violinist plays. that's the day i can really feel as though women are seen as equal. but the whole "women are softer" bullshit is perpetuated by both men and women. even by women who may think they're against it, IE: hypocrites. all of this is really deeply engrained into our society and i find it quite disgusting. also i've seen many military documentaries and was pretty disgusted whenever the narrator would say that a unit is men only. they'd always say it like it wasn't for pansies, so they might as well have said "no bitches in this unit son". women can be just as tough as men.[/QUOTE] i think you need to read a little more into feminism if you think some of it is blind and fascist. also, men do not have to put up with nearly as much shit as women do, i'm afraid. while there are cases of men being sexually harassed, they are not nearly as bad as some of the harassment and opression women face every day.