Tesla employee writes of poor working conditions, forced overtime, low pay
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[QUOTE]In a Medium post published today, Tesla employee Jose Moran detailed working conditions at the company’s Fremont factory and called for the factory workers to unionize with United Auto Workers (UAW).
Tesla currently employs more than 5,000 non-union workers at its Fremont, CA-based factory. Moran wrote that the workers are often faced with “excessive mandatory overtime” and earn between $17 and $21 hourly, compared with the national average of $25.58 hourly for most autoworkers in the US. The Tesla employee noted that the astronomical cost of living in the Bay Area makes $21 an hour difficult to live on.
The post was Moran’s first on Medium, and Ars could not find a way to contact him for further details.
Moran also claimed that the factory’s “machinery is often not ergonomically compatible with our bodies,” and requires “too much twisting and turning and extra physical movement to do jobs that could be simplified if workers’ input were welcomed.” He added that at one point, six out of eight people on his team were out on medical leave “due to various work-related injuries.”
A Tesla spokesperson told Ars that Moran’s Medium post “is not the first time we have been the target of a professional union organizing effort such as this.”
“The safety and job satisfaction of our employees here at Tesla has always been extremely important to us,” the spokesperson continued. “We have a long history of engaging directly with our employees on the issues that matter to them, and we will continue to do so because it’s the right thing to do.”[/QUOTE]
No wonder Elon Musk went with Donald Trump
Source: [URL="https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/02/tesla-employee-writes-of-low-wages-poor-morale-company-denies-claims/"]Ars Technica[/URL]
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I don't see why people think musk is some kind of benevolent hero, he's another corporate billionaire that exploits people to make big bux, he just happens to be more technologically progressive than most
Seems a bit sensationalist no? The injury stuff is fair as well as the payment, but Elon says the man saying this stuff is being paid to instigate a union. He says the mandatory over time is only when they're behind and they stop near the end of the week, which doesn't seem that out of the norm, my girlfriend has to work overtime as well when they're behind on a contract.
If you can choose between a corporate billionaire that cares and one that dont care about the environment, which one would you be rooting for?
[QUOTE=Lazore;51802658]If you can choose between a corporate billionaire that cares and one that dont care about the environment, which one would you be rooting for?[/QUOTE]
the common man
[QUOTE]In his Medium post, Moran also noted that “Recently, every worker was required to sign a confidentiality policy that threatens consequences if we exercise our right to speak out about wages and working conditions.” The Mercury News said that Tesla lawyer Todd Maron wrote a letter in January stating that “the company respected their workers’ rights to speak freely, but wanted to curb unauthorized disclosures about product launches and vehicle features.”[/QUOTE]
interesting
[URL="https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-responds-to-claims-of-low-pay-injuries-and-a-1792190512"]Here's the Gizmodo DM[/URL]
[quote]Musk refuted all of these claims in a DM to Gizmodo.
“There is sometimes mandatory overtime if we are trying to make up for a production stoppage, but it is dropping almost every week,” he wrote.
Regarding potentially low wages, Musk claims that Tesla offers a higher starting pay than those unionized in the United Automobile, Aerospace and Agricultural Implement Workers of America (UAW) and that “total compensation is higher for a given level of seniority when factoring in stock grants.” How much stock is meted out, to whom, and after how many years of employment was not specified. He further described his car company as “union neutral,” and characterized the confidentiality policy as a means to prevent trade secrets from leaking.
Musk even went on the offensive against Moran, attempting to discredit his assertions about Tesla. “Our understanding is that this guy was paid by the UAW to join Tesla and agitate for a union. He doesn’t really work for us, he works for the UAW,” Musk wrote. He added in a separate response, “Frankly, I find this attack to be morally outrageous. Tesla is the last car company left in California, because costs are so high. The UAW killed NUMMI and abandoned the workers at our Fremont plant in 2010. They have no leg to stand on.”[/quote]
[QUOTE=Lazore;51802658]If you can choose between a corporate billionaire that cares and one that dont care about the environment, which one would you be rooting for?[/QUOTE]
neither
We'll see what an investigation says before passing judgement. Will probably be like all the other times a lone employee tried to oust Tesla. I suspect Elon will comment in a day or so.
If it's true then that is a serious problem but this reeks of propaganda
With how companies are lobbying against Tesla big time, it wouldnt surprise me if this guy was paid tons of money and is lying out of his ass to make Tesla look like a terrible company.
[QUOTE=winsanity;51802669][URL="https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-responds-to-claims-of-low-pay-injuries-and-a-1792190512"]Here's the Gizmodo DM[/URL][/QUOTE]
Guess he already did lol
[editline]10th February 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51802674]If it's true then that is a serious problem but this reeks of propaganda[/QUOTE]
That's because it probably is. Like the Gigafactory protestors that didn't know what they were protesting about. The Union's have been on Tesla's ass for years.
[editline]10th February 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Judas;51802646]I don't see why people think musk is some kind of benevolent hero, he's another corporate billionaire that exploits people to make big bux, he just happens to be more technologically progressive than most[/QUOTE]
People like Elon because it's not about making big bux. If profit was his goal he picked the dumbest most risky route to do it.
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;51802633][B]No wonder Elon Musk went with Donald Trump[/B]
Source: [URL="https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/02/tesla-employee-writes-of-low-wages-poor-morale-company-denies-claims/"]Ars Technica[/URL][/QUOTE]
what does this even have to do with anything at all
[QUOTE=Judas;51802646]I don't see why people think musk is some kind of benevolent hero, he's another corporate billionaire that exploits people to make big bux, he just happens to be more technologically progressive than most[/QUOTE]Yeah wanting to help create a fully electric zero emissions vehicle that helps get us away from fossil fuels that are jeopardizing our planet, create a way for self reliant energy production for your home free from the grasp of electric companies, and extend humanity's reach by going to Mars and becoming a space faring species; those things are actually what separates him from "just another corporate billionaire looking to exploit people for profit".
I and many others truly do believe that he wants to help change the world for the betterment of mankind, but no instead keep on disliking him because he's a rich billionaire in charge of a company where things [I]might[/I] be less than ideal based on the anecdotes of this one guy.
He didn't "go with Trump" he was asked to join an advisory board and rather than saying no and letting our president be advised by literal racist extremists he's trying his damnedest to squeeze through a silver lining. He most certainly did not vote for Trump.
[QUOTE=ChicagoMobster;51802655]Seems a bit sensationalist no? The injury stuff is fair as well as the payment, but Elon says the man saying this stuff is being paid to instigate a union. He says the mandatory over time is only when they're behind and they stop near the end of the week, which doesn't seem that out of the norm, my girlfriend has to work overtime as well when they're behind on a contract.[/QUOTE]
Not really, no.
Musk has had ego versus doing the right thing issues since Paypal.
Iirc the tesla factories look super clean and nice on the inside with a lot of robotics, i dont believe the claims of terrible ergonomics and a lot of injuries for one bit.
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;51802692]what does this even have to do with anything at all[/QUOTE]
For some reason a number of people lately have been trying to spin Musk out to be an evil, conniving man trying to push Trump's agenda.
Basically, he is trying to work with the current administration as best he can to not have things go to complete shit instead of just withdrawing completely and getting no say.
A good analogy perhaps is to him choosing Remain over Leave in Brexit.
[QUOTE=OvB;51802698]He didn't "go with Trump" he was asked to join an advisory board and rather than saying no and letting our president be advised by literal racist extremists he's trying his damnedest to squeeze through a silver lining. He most certainly did not vote for Trump.[/QUOTE]
I'd rather people did their best to work with the shitty politicians we have
than to work against them in the most abrasive way possible
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;51802703]For some reason a number of people lately have been trying to spin Musk out to be an evil, conniving man trying to push Trump's agenda.
Basically, he is trying to work with the current administration as best he can to not have things go to complete shit instead of just withdrawing completely and getting no say.
A good analogy perhaps is to him choosing Remain over Leave in Brexit.[/QUOTE]
People have been cancelling model 3 orders and calling Elon a racist. It actually provoked a Twitter tirade. Definitely worth reading if you look at his replies.
[Media]https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/828291190965551106[/media]
[Media]https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/827925653022453760[/media]
[QUOTE=Killer900;51802695]Yeah wanting to help create a fully electric zero emissions vehicle that helps get us away from fossil fuels that are jeopardizing our planet, create a way for self reliant energy production for your home free from the grasp of electric companies, and extend humanity's reach by going to Mars and becoming a space faring species; those things are what separates him from "just another corporate billionaire looking to exploit people for profit".
I and many others truly do believe that he wants to help change the world for the betterment of mankind, but no instead keep on disliking him because he's a rich billionaire in charge of a company where things [I]might[/I] be less than ideal based on the anecdotes of this one guy.[/QUOTE]
Or maybe the truth is he has great ideals but isn't a particularly pleasant or humane person himself. He's a colossal dick with some far reaching ideas, neither is any form of sainthood or demonization, he's pretty much a generic industry tycoon in that regard.
As for Mars, we're not getting to mars via "mankind leaving the cradle, look at our future", we're getting to Mars so Musk has lock on a form of immortality in being 'the guy who got us to Mars'. Said benefits are entirely secondary, because the man will be dead long before Mars is a "neighborhood" of any type, even if scientific progression doubled every decade for the next forty years. (which under current political climates is sure as hell not going to be happening)
[QUOTE=OvB;51802716]People have been cancelling model 3 orders and calling Elon a racist. It actually provoked a Twitter tirade. Definitely worth reading if you look at his replies.
[Media]https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/828291190965551106[/media][/QUOTE]
Yeah, I've seen people all over Twitter complain about how Musk is suddenly a horrible person and a disgusting Trump supporter.
Sounds like a whole lot of bullshit to turn them union.
"Tesla has fallen" "Has been anti-worker" "went with trump"
you have to be a certain kind of gullible to read this kind of obviously agenda driven commentary and believe any of it without serious reservations. What a thread, lol.
[QUOTE=27X;51802720]As for Mars, we're not getting to mars via "mankind leaving the cradle, look at our future", we're getting to Mars so Musk has lock on a form of immortality in being 'the guy who got us to Mars'.[/QUOTE]
has he said this himself?
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[quote]Tesla employee writes of low wages, poor morale; company denies claims[/quote]
[QUOTE=27X;51802720]As for Mars, we're not getting to mars via "mankind leaving the cradle, look at our future", we're getting to Mars so Musk has lock on a form of immortality in being 'the guy who got us to Mars'. Said benefits are entirely secondary, because the man will be dead long before Mars is a "neighborhood" of any type, even if scientific progression doubled every decade for the next forty years. (which under current political climates is sure as hell not going to be happening)[/QUOTE]Really? Didn't know you have inner knowledge of how the man's mind works and what the real goal for going to Mars is. Unless you can provide proof of this then it's bunk.
Only thing close to what you're saying is a quote from Musk saying he wants to die on Mars, just not on impact, and even then that's a real stretch.
Ever think that maybe some rich billionaires aren't just in it for their selves and they're actually genuinely altruistic and not just in it for themselves?
I have got to say, to see the sudden hate for Elon Musk just to have a positive impact on Trump's administration really shows how uncompromising some leftists are.
You would think being able to influence a White House meeting would be a foot in the door they would want, but I guess they are so ideologue they just think Musk was a hidden Trump Supporter.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51802778]I have got to say, to see the sudden hate for Elon Musk just to have a positive impact on Trump's administration really shows how uncompromising some leftists are.
You would think being able to influence a White House meeting would be a foot in the door they would want, but I guess they are so ideologue they just think Musk was a hidden Trump Supporter.[/QUOTE]
It's a problem on both sides of the aisle, man. Remember, key Republicans refused to work with Barrack simply because he was Democrat.
[QUOTE=viperfan7;51802764]Actual article title[/QUOTE]
Sounds like the standard bitch article about SpaceX too.
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