Turkish military F-4 plane 'vanishes' near Syria border - Polidicks

[QUOTE] Turkey's military says it has lost contact with one of its aircraft over the sea close to the border with Syria. Turkish media said the plane, an F-4 jet, crashed in Syria or Syrian territorial waters. The two crew-members were found alive, CNN Turk and the Hurriyet daily said. Radio and radar contact were lost after the plane took off from an airbase in Malatya province on Friday morning, a statement from the Turkish armed forces said. Malatya governor Ulvi Saran told the state-run Anatolia news agency there were two pilots on the aircraft. Earlier, eyewitnesses in the northern Syrian town of Latakia told BBC Arabic that Syrian air defences shot down an unidentified aircraft near the town of Ras al-Baseet. Relations between Turkey and Syria, once close allies, have deteriorated sharply since the uprising against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad began in March 2011. Turkey is sheltering more than 32,000 refugees from Syria, according to figures published on Friday by the UN refugee agency UNHCR.[/QUOTE] BBC new also just tweeted this: [QUOTE]#Turkey calls emergency security meeting after one of its fighter jets disappears near Syria's border [url]http://bbc.in/O4J2xe[/url][/QUOTE] It links to the source article which has not yet been updated. Will add to it when it has. [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18554246#TWEET163556[/url] UPDATE: [QUOTE]Turkey's President, Abdullah Gul, has said the Turkish fighter jet shot down by Syria's air defence forces on Friday may have violated Syrian airspace. Mr Gul said it was routine for warplanes flying at high speed to cross borders for short distances. Syria has said it engaged the aircraft in its airspace "according to the laws that govern such situations", and that it crashed into the Mediterranean Sea. The Turkish and Syrian navies are searching for the two crew members. Relations between Nato-member Turkey and Syria, once close allies, have deteriorated sharply since the uprising against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad began in March 2011. More than 30,000 Syrian refugees have fled the violence across the border into Turkey. After a cross-border shooting by Syrian security forces in April that left two refugees dead at a camp near the town of Kilis, Turkey said it would not tolerate any action that it deemed violating its security. 'Not ill-intentioned' On Saturday, President Gul said the Turkish government could not ignore the fact that Syria had shot down a Turkish aircraft. "It is not possible to cover over a thing like this, whatever is necessary will be done," he was quoted as saying by state news agency, Anatolia. "It is routine for jet fighters to sometimes fly in and out over [national] borders... when you consider their speed over the sea," he added. "These are not ill-intentioned things but happen beyond control due to the jets' speed." Mr Gul said an investigation would look at whether the plane had been shot down in Turkish airspace, and also revealed that Ankara had been in contact with Damascus despite both countries declaring each other's diplomats unwelcome earlier this year. "We withdrew our envoy from Syria for security reasons. This does not mean that we have no contacts," he explained. Deputy Prime Minister Bulent Arinc later said the jet had been on a reconnaissance mission, state television reported. The BBC's Jonathan Head in Istanbul reports that the Turkish government is treating the loss of the aircraft very seriously, but also with great caution. Despite public anger over the suffering of civilians in Syria, Ankara has been very reluctant to consider military intervention, our correspondent says. It will not rush into a military response to this incident either, he adds. Diplomatic relations between Turkey and Syria have been downgraded to their lowest possible level without completely breaking them. But the speed with which the coastguards of the two countries organized a joint search-and-rescue operation for the two missing crew members from the plane suggests there are still avenues of communication between their military forces, our correspondent adds. 'Unidentified target' The Turkish military said it lost radio contact with the F-4 Phantom at 11:58 (08:58 GMT) on Friday while it was flying over Hatay province, about 90 minutes after it took off from Erhac airbase in the province of Malatya, to the north-west. Later, the Syrian military said an "unidentified air target" had penetrated Syrian airspace from the west at 11:40 local time (08:40 GMT), travelling at very low altitude and at high speed. It said that in line with the laws prevailing in such cases, Syrian air defences engaged the craft, and scored a direct hit about 1km (0.6 miles) from its coastline. It burst into flames, and crashed into the sea at a point 10km (6 miles) from the village of Om al-Tuyour, off the coast of Latakia province, well within Syrian territorial waters, the statement added. Syrian television showed a map charting the aircraft's movements, coming in from over the sea near northern Cyprus. The military statement said that after it "became clear the target was a Turkish military plane which had entered our airspace", the naval commands of the two countries were in touch, and a joint operation was going on to find the missing crew members.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18562210[/url]

[quote]The two crew-members were found alive, CNN Turk and the Hurriyet daily said.[/quote] So Syria shoot the jet down? Hopefully Turkey does something about it.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;36443066]So Syria shoot the jet down? Hopefully Turkey does something about it.[/QUOTE] It is a part of NATO, and this would be an act of war, justifying NATO intervention. I doubt Russia would actually do anything. It isn't worth it for them. Pretty stupid from the Syrians. I'm not sure that NATO will use this as an excuse, it just could and might. [SP]Is it weird I now have an urge to play Civilization V? [/SP]

Hopefully, a lot of Syrian forces would defect and join the rebel or NATO cause to overthrow the regime. This massacre have gone long enough

Hopefully they do something about it.

[QUOTE=aliendrone123;36443293]Hopefully they do something about it.[/QUOTE] Angry letter anyone?

[QUOTE=krakadict;36443424]Angry letter anyone?[/QUOTE] HUUUR UN DON'T DO ENNYFIN That's right kids, the UN can't do anything. Why that you ask? Is it because the entire system is full of uptight bureaucrats with no regard for human life beyong their wallets? NO. It is unable to act because TWO, coun them, TWO major power are vetoing every attempt at intervention. Kinda how the Republicans veto half the shit Obama does. EVERYONE except China and Russia want to intervene but aren't able to, because of China and Russia's corruption and vested interest in the Syrian regime.

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;36443513]HUUUR UN DON'T DO ENNYFIN That's right kids, the UN can't do anything. Why that you ask? Is it because the entire system is full of uptight bureaucrats with no regard for human life beyong their wallets? NO. It is unable to act because TWO, coun them, TWO major power are vetoing every attempt at intervention. Kinda how the Republicans veto half the shit Obama does. EVERYONE except China and Russia want to intervene but aren't able to, because of China and Russia's corruption and vested interest in the Syrian regime.[/QUOTE] what's the matter cant joke about the UN? scared they'll sent an angry letter? i know the UN cant do shit due to Russia/China's bullshit veto

Okay if the two crewmen were found alive, that is the OPPOSITE OF "VANISHED". "Turkish F-4 Shot Down near Syrian Border"

[QUOTE=NeonpieDFTBA;36443129]It is a part of NATO, and this would be an act of war, justifying NATO intervention. I doubt Russia would actually do anything. It isn't worth it for them. Pretty stupid from the Syrians. I'm not sure that NATO will use this as an excuse, it just could and might. [SP]Is it weird I now have an urge to play Civilization V? [/SP][/QUOTE] Al-Assad has denounced you!

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;36443513]HUUUR UN DON'T DO ENNYFIN That's right kids, the UN can't do anything. Why that you ask? Is it because the entire system is full of uptight bureaucrats with no regard for human life beyong their wallets? NO. It is unable to act because TWO, coun them, TWO major power are vetoing every attempt at intervention. Kinda how the Republicans veto half the shit Obama does. EVERYONE except China and Russia want to intervene but aren't able to, because of China and Russia's corruption and vested interest in the Syrian regime.[/QUOTE] What the fuck this is basically agreeing with him but you're doing the text equivalent of yelling at him over nothing. Why.

In my opinion, I think we [America/NATO/UN/Etc] are going to do the same thing we did with Rwanda in the 90s. [sp]absolutely nothing[/sp]

[QUOTE=GunFox;36444026]Okay if the two crewmen were found alive, that is the OPPOSITE OF "VANISHED". "Turkish F-4 Shot Down near Syrian Border"[/QUOTE] "we were just flying along, and suddenly, everything except for our ejector seats just disappeared!

[QUOTE=fskman;36444349]"we were just flying along, and suddenly, everything except for our ejector seats just disappeared![/QUOTE] "Dammit Ahmed."

They had to find something to replace that damn MiG.

[QUOTE=NeonpieDFTBA;36443129]It is a part of NATO, and this would be an act of war, justifying NATO intervention. I doubt Russia would actually do anything. It isn't worth it for them. Pretty stupid from the Syrians. I'm not sure that NATO will use this as an excuse, it just could and might. [SP]Is it weird I now have an urge to play Civilization V? [/SP][/QUOTE] This sort of shit happens all the time for me in Civ 4. One upstart tiny nation on an island somewhere suddenly decides to get uppity and sink someone's carrier fleet, than the whole web of truces and non-aggression pacts unravels and one turn later nukes are raining from the sky. [editline]22nd June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=purvisdavid1;36444468]"Dammit Ahmed."[/QUOTE] It the fucking Daleks I tell you.

Syria [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18561219]has admitted[/url] they shot it down

What's a lone F-4 doing out there anyways?

[QUOTE=Disotrtion;36446735]What's a lone F-4 doing out there anyways?[/QUOTE] Could have been patrolling for dodgy shit, considering just yesterday a Tunisian jet [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-18537714]engaged some arms smugglers[/url] near the border with Libya, in a fairly similar situation

F-4s and MiG21s...it's only a matter of time till they bring out the big guns- biplanes.

[QUOTE=smurfy;36446799]Could have been patrolling for dodgy shit, considering just yesterday a Tunisian jet [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-18537714"]engaged some arms smugglers[/URL] near the border with Libya, in a fairly similar situation[/QUOTE] Though the situation about Turkey might be different because the arms for Syria aren't "smuggled" since russia brings them to Syria directly by ships. Same for USA, thru N.Iraq and Al-Qaeda supports. Syria is helping us reclaim the F4, which was shot. Other than that people in Turkey are fine, Internet defence force (!) is full at panic, creating scenarios and shit. Adding on: There are rumors that 39th Mechanized Infantry Company has passed Yayladagh and is entering Syria. Video of the F4 being downed. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HdIEmyvyJYo[/url] Couldn't see shit, It seems like jobless bastards shoot it for fun.

What the hell's Syria up to now... First the Russian attack helicopters, now this.

Update: it seems initial reports of the pilots having been found were false, and a joint search is ongoing. [Sp] Ironically, civ kept crashing... [/sp]

BBC are reporting that Syria has announced they shot it down. [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18561219[/url] So what difference does this actually make, could NATO act under article 5? My little understanding of it makes me feel that it is an attack on Turkey.

Let's see how it goes people, this could get interesting.

Maybe this will be the excuse they were looking for.

Turkey has a superior military so if it does come to conflict, Syria will most likely surrender. Maroon Berets, get some today.

This gonna be good.

[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;36448554]This gonna be good.[/QUOTE] Yeah possible deaths and war, so good, yeaaah. Fucking idiot.

[QUOTE=Robbi;36448671]Yeah possible deaths and war, so good, yeaaah. Fucking idiot.[/QUOTE] Hey man, air to air combat is somewhere along the lines of the ultimate spectator sport.