Influx of refugees leaves Belgrade at risk of becoming 'new Calais' - Polidicks

[t]http://i.imgur.com/YfT8feb.jpg[/t] [quote=The Guardian]A freezing and squalid Belgrade railway depot where up to 2,000 people are seeking shelter from the bitter Serbian winter risks becoming a “new Calais” for refugees and migrants abandoned by European authorities, the humanitarian group [URL="https://www.theguardian.com/world/medecins-sans-frontieres"]Médecins Sans Frontières[/URL] has warned. Children as young as eight are struggling to survive temperatures [URL="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/11/europe-cold-snap-death-toll-hits-61-as-the-poor-old-and-helpless-succumb"]that have plunged to -16C this week[/URL], with no running water or sanitation. At a Belgrade clinic set up by the charity, doctors have seen frostbite and burns resulting from the inhalation of toxic smoke, as people burn anything they can find to stay warm, among dozens of other medical problems. MSF estimates that up to 2,000 people are living in a cluster of warehouses and other buildings around the city’s main station. It estimates that nearly half the patients they have treated are under 18. [B]“Serbia risks becoming a dumping zone, a new Calais where people are stranded and stuck,”[/B] warned Andrea Contenta, humanitarian affairs officer for MSF in [URL="https://www.theguardian.com/world/serbia"]Serbia[/URL]. The country is not part of the European Union, but it borders several countries that are part of the bloc, including Hungary, [URL="https://www.theguardian.com/world/bulgaria"]Bulgaria[/URL] and Romania, and has become a key transit point for those hoping to start a new life in western Europe. Serbia won praise for its treatment of migrants, but increasing numbers have become stranded there as the EU tried to shut down the Balkan route and tightened border controls. Processing camps are now badly overcrowded and more people are arriving every day. Although they ultimately hope to move on from Serbia, many are spending months there, making repeated failed attempts to cross into the EU. “We cannot continue avoiding talking about reality, which is that the Balkan route is still open but people are getting stuck because there is no safe way to travel,” Contenta said. He added that unofficial estimates were that up to 8,000 refugees and migrants were stranded in Serbia.[/quote] Source: [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/14/influx-of-refugees-means-belgrade-risks-becoming-new-calais[/URL] What comes around, goes around.

[QUOTE=Stopper;51679369]What comes around, goes around.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE][B]Serbia won praise for its treatment of migrants[/B], but increasing numbers have become stranded there as[B] the EU tried to shut down the Balkan route and tightened border controls. [/B]Processing camps are now badly overcrowded and more people are arriving every day. Although they ultimately hope to move on from Serbia, many are spending months there, making repeated failed attempts to cross into the EU.[/QUOTE] I don't get what your comment is supposed to mean. It sounds like Serbia is doing the right thing and the EU (under pressure from the countries in Eastern Europe and alt-right groups elsewhere) are doing the wrong thing.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51679392]I don't get what your comment is supposed to mean. It sounds like Serbia is doing the right thing and the EU (under pressure from the countries in Eastern Europe and alt-right groups elsewhere) are doing the wrong thing.[/QUOTE] The irony of Serbia having to deal with this is too much for me.

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[QUOTE=Stopper;51679399]The irony of Serbia having to deal with this is too much for me.[/QUOTE] Wait... oh, [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Wars"][I]now[/I] [/URL]I get what you mean. Sorry, that's me forgetting my history. It certainly is ironic.

[QUOTE=Sims_doc;51679402]Wasn't Serbia that country that did massive genocide sometime in the 90's? Or was that Bosnia?[/QUOTE] The Army of Republika Srpska (or Bosnian Serb Army), by the looks of it. The area they controlled is part of Bosnia and Herzegovina now, but still relatively independent.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51679392]I don't get what your comment is supposed to mean. It sounds like Serbia is doing the right thing and the EU (under pressure from the countries in Eastern Europe and alt-right groups elsewhere) are doing the wrong thing.[/QUOTE] What exactly is the eu doing wrong?

[QUOTE=SirJon;51679657]What exactly is the eu doing wrong?[/QUOTE] It shut down the Balkan route and tightened the border controls, leading to the current situation in a country that more than likely can't handle the current refugee numbers, as well as the fact that Italy and Greece continue to still take the brunt of the refugee crisis.

[QUOTE=Stopper;51679369]What comes around, goes around.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Stopper;51679399]The irony of Serbia having to deal with this is too much for me.[/QUOTE] I don't know if you were personally affected by the genocide in Yugoslavia, and if you are, I am sorry - but I need to say that this kind of retributionist attitude is what laid the groundwork for the crimes perpetrated by Republika Srpska. To the people that made up the army, bosnian muslims were ustachas who had perpetrated terrible crimes against the Serb population in WWII. That was the ideological backbone of what happened in Yugoslavia, alongside the power grab of profiteering war criminals. I don't speak about this as a disinterested onlooker either; I worked for the prosecution on the war crimes trial of Ratko Mladic, lead general and one of the top echelon of the genocide. I will concede, however, that it's terribly difficult to end the "us and them" mentality considering Šešelj returned home from the ICTY to the roaring cheering of hundreds worshiping him. His later acquittal was unfortunate news last year as well. I need to read the decision to see the judges' reasoning. [QUOTE=Tamschi;51679417]The Army of Republika Srpska (or Bosnian Serb Army), by the looks of it. The area they controlled is part of Bosnia and Herzegovina now, but still relatively independent.[/QUOTE] Republika Srpska was largely independent from Serbia from a military standpoint, however was ideologically fueled by it. Slobodan Milošević, often considered one of the ultimate architects of the genocide in the Former Yugoslavia, played a fundamental role in both states.

[QUOTE=SirJon;51679657]What exactly is the eu doing wrong?[/QUOTE] Not sharing the burden and being unable to approach the situation properly (mainly due to opposition to taking any migrants, from anti migrant people and from euro skeptics who think the EU trying to solve a bloc wide problem collectively is the EU overstepping its bounds) The EU tried but some of its member states have mucked it up a bit. Hard situation to deal with in any case made worse by euro-scepticism and the popularity of anti migrant sentiment. People refuse to help with a problem then point at their neighbour struggling with the whole burden and bark about "look that would have happened to us!!". They then double down on their refusing to help and use it for political leverage.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51679392]It sounds like Serbia is doing the right thing and the EU (under pressure from the countries in Eastern Europe and alt-right groups elsewhere) are doing the wrong thing.[/QUOTE] Ah yes because blocking mass illegal immigration is wrong and everybody should just cross the border no questions asked. It could not be that people got legitimate reasons why they don't want more immigrants from the Middle East. Nah there just racist and right leaning there for they are wrong. I think that should cover it.

[QUOTE=TheNukeNL;51679739]Ah yes because blocking mass illegal immigration is wrong and everybody should just cross the border no questions asked. It could not be that people got legitimate reasons why they don't want more immigrants from the Middle East. Nah there just racist and right leaning there for they are wrong. I think that should cover it.[/QUOTE] Did I say they were racist? I said they were right leaning, which in the vast majority of cases is true. Most of the groups opposing allowing refugees are alt-right groups. Second, the immigration is illegal if they move beyond the first EU country they go to but that's going to happen due to the failure to properly manage the camps. Serbia seems to be taking care of the refugees fairly well however, but now that they are taking more on they need to redistributed. People might have legitimate reasons for opposing immigrant but considering the Syrian crisis is still happening and the majority of the people coming are refugees, not migrants, there needs to be recognition that Italy, Greece and other border countries cannot take the brunt of burden considering their current resources. Other EU countries should (and I hope Ireland does this especially) take more refugees. Many are going to return afterwards to Syria and other areas of strife (see: the refugees of Yugoslavia and how many returned to their home countries). That, and some people are motivated with racism and sectarianism in their opposition to refugees and migrants. Not all, but a minority. You're being very aggressive and attacking a stance I don't have and things I didn't say.

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;51679670]I don't know if you were personally affected by the genocide in Yugoslavia, and if you are, I am sorry - but I need to say that this kind of retributionist attitude is what laid the groundwork for the crimes perpetrated by Republika Srpska. To the people that made up the army, bosnian muslims were ustachas who had perpetrated terrible crimes against the Serb population in WWII. That was the ideological backbone of what happened in Yugoslavia, alongside the power grab of profiteering war criminals. I don't speak about this as a disinterested onlooker either; I worked for the prosecution on the war crimes trial of Ratko Mladic, lead general and one of the top echelon of the genocide. I will concede, however, that it's terribly difficult to end the "us and them" mentality considering Šešelj returned home from the ICTY to the roaring cheering of hundreds worshiping him. His later acquittal was unfortunate news last year as well. I need to read the decision to see the judges' reasoning. Republika Srpska was largely independent from Serbia from a military standpoint, however was ideologically fueled by it. Slobodan Milošević, often considered one of the ultimate architects of the genocide in the Former Yugoslavia, played a fundamental role in both states.[/QUOTE] I haven't been personally affected, but I have family in Serbia that was. It's irrelevant to the discussion though, as it's not why I made the comment. It's exactly what you touched on - Serbian war criminals are touted as heroes and nationalistic and patriotic movements are working their way up and down the nation. Russia's propaganda apparatus has managed to find a soft target, and Serbia is for all intents and purposes a Russian tentacle on the Balkans. You've probably seen the other thread with the train sent to Kosovo with "Kosovo is Serbia" written on the side. The government wouldn't do that in a million years, unless the bratushki were on the sidelines telling them that it's okay. I completely understand where you're coming from, and in retrospect my quip sounds a bit more antagonistic than I intended it to. It's not a funny thing, it's not a good thing, it's not something I'm goading about, but the irony of the situation is not lost onto me. A once prosperous country, that was trying its best to stay away from the iron grips of the Soviet Union thanks to Tito, now reduced to a squabbling bunch of angry "patriots", paid and bought by the Kremlin. Anti-Muslim sentiments running high, even after the war. Comparing Bulgaria and Serbia now - two very similar countries that share a lot of historical grievances, and are also responsible for much grief between each other - it's easy to see where they went wrong. I hope the current situation in Serbia serves as a stern warning for all European countries that choose to align themselves with Putin's Russia.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51679759]Did I say they were racist? I said they were right leaning, which in the vast majority of cases is true. Most of the groups opposing allowing refugees are alt-right groups. [/QUOTE] By calling them alt-right you did because lets take look what that means: [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right[/URL] [QUOTE]The movement has been described as a mix of racism, white nationalism and populism, ... criticizes "multiculturalism" and more rights for non-whites, women, Jews, Muslims, gays, immigrants and other minorities[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51679759]Second, the immigration is illegal if they move beyond the first EU country they go to but that's going to happen due to the failure to properly manage the camps. Serbia seems to be taking care of the refugees fairly well however, but now that they are taking more on they need to redistributed.[/QUOTE] I do agree with you here the EU is failing and it because it does not see people crossing the first EU border as illegal immigrants and instead you go the mess of what we got now. [QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51679759]People might have legitimate reasons for opposing immigrant but considering the Syrian crisis is still happening and the majority of the people coming are refugees, not migrants, there needs to be recognition that Italy, Greece and other border countries cannot take the brunt of burden considering their current resources. Other EU countries should (and I hope Ireland does this especially) take more refugees. Many are going to return afterwards to Syria and other areas of strife (see: the refugees of Yugoslavia and how many returned to their home countries).[/QUOTE] Well why are most of these illegal immigrants then coming from place like Algeria, Morocco and other various parts of the world? What should be done is complete stop on taking people in from the border and instead they should fill in the proper paper work and provide genuine documents in there home countries.

[QUOTE=TheNukeNL;51679970]By calling them alt-right you did because lets take look what that means: [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right[/URL][/quote] Many of those groups themselves also call themselves alt-right. Again, I called them what they wanted to be called. [quote]I do agree with you here the EU is failing and it because it does not see people crossing the first EU border as illegal immigrants and instead you go the mess of what we got now.[/quote] And I disagree on humanitarian grounds because of the war in Syria as well as other events in other countries making these people refugees who have the right to claim asylum in Europe. [quote][B]Well why are most of these illegal immigrants then coming from place like Algeria, Morocco and other various parts of the world?[/B] What should be done is complete stop on taking people in from the border and instead they should fill in the proper paper work and provide genuine documents in there home countries.[/QUOTE] I first want a link to a study that proves this, because while I am aware there are definitely migrants from those areas, from what I remember the vast majority of people travelling to Europe are legitimate refugees fleeing war and persecution from areas such as Syria, Iraq, etc. Secondly, I want to know what your plan would be for refugees who arrive with little to no documentation, which are the vast majority. Would you return them to their home countries because of this? What about the refugees currently in camps in Greece and Italy, who have already successfully gotten asylum? What do we do with them?

[QUOTE=TheNukeNL;51679970]By calling them alt-right you did because lets take look what that means: [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right[/URL][/QUOTE] If you don't wanna call em alt-right, it's conservative, right-wing and nationalistic people of varying degrees, some of which complain that the world is "too PC".

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51679995]Many of those groups themselves also call themselves alt-right. Again, I called them what they wanted to be called.[/QUOTE] Alt right is not label i have seen used in Europe so far mainly because it is a American thing so citation please. [QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51679995]And I disagree on humanitarian grounds because of the war in Syria as well as other events in other countries making these people refugees who have the right to claim asylum in Europe.[/QUOTE] And i say we shouldn't on the grounds of security and financial well being of the citizen of are own countries. Also talking about security see [video=youtube;uofLAV9Zlog]https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_3150945923&feature=iv&src_vid=tFyDVH1g564&v=uofLAV9Zlog[/video] and [URL="https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7470/germany-migrants-crime"]https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7470/germany-migrants-crime[/URL] [QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51679995]I first want a link to a study that proves this, because while I am aware there are definitely migrants from those areas, from what I remember the vast majority of people travelling to Europe are legitimate refugees fleeing war and persecution from areas such as Syria, Iraq, etc.[/QUOTE] The best i got for you is this [URL="http://www.pewglobal.org/2016/08/02/1-asylum-seeker-origins-a-rapid-rise-for-most-countries/"]http://www.pewglobal.org/2016/08/02/1-asylum-seeker-origins-a-rapid-rise-for-most-countries/[/URL] So yes the biggest group claim to be Syrians but i like to remind you that this is a booming business [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/11/21/theres-a-booming-black-market-for-fake-syrian-passports/?utm_term=.facd46debbab"]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/11/21/theres-a-booming-black-market-for-fake-syrian-passports/?utm_term=.facd46debbab[/URL] Then the second biggest group is others which i am certain that most of them are economic refugees. Then we got the Afghans and the problem i got with these people is that there some many other safe countries they could go to but instead they come all the way to Europe This just reeks of benefits tourism to me. Followed by people from Iraq which if you ask me these people could be send back to the Iraq and relocated to the south of the country which is safe. Also this is a good watch [video=youtube;tFyDVH1g564]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFyDVH1g564[/video] [QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51679995] Secondly, I want to know what your plan would be for refugees who arrive with little to no documentation, which are the vast majority. Would you return them to their home countries because of this? What about the refugees currently in camps in Greece and Italy, who have already successfully gotten asylum? What do we do with them?[/QUOTE] It is quite simple no genuine papers no entry. For those who got asylum they can wait in various camps across Europe until they can be send back.

[QUOTE=Stopper;51679399]The irony of Serbia having to deal with this is too much for me.[/QUOTE] Oh I see, you're one of those people who try to shift the blame of Yugoslav wars solely to Serbian side, while accusing the same Serbs of being ""brainwashed"" and at the same time disregarding any crimes and injustices committed against Serbs. Perfect catch-22 position, either you're right or the other side is brainwashed. Like, the whole war in Bosnia could've been prevented if muslim side didn't back down from Carrington–Cutileiro plan last minute after having a "diplomatic meeting" with US ambassador. [quote=Carrington–Cutileiro plan] The Carrington-Cutilero Peace Plan The original Carrington–Cutileiro peace plan, named for its authors Lord Carrington and Portuguese ambassador José Cutileiro, resulted from the EC Peace Conference held in February 1992 in an attempt to prevent Bosnia-Herzegovina sliding into war. It was also referred to as the Lisbon Agreement (Serbo-Croatian: Lisabonski sporazum). It proposed ethnic power-sharing on all administrative levels and the devolution of central government to local ethnic communities. However, all Bosnia-Herzegovina's districts would be classified as Bosniak, Serb or Croat under the plan, even where no ethnic majority was evident. In later negotiations there were compromises about changing district borders. On 11 March 1992, the Assembly of the Serb People of Republika Srpska (the self-proclaimed parliament of the Bosnian Serbs) unanimously rejected the plan, putting forth their own map which claimed almost two thirds of Bosnia's territory, with a series of ethnically split cities and isolated enclaves, and leaving the Croats and Bosniaks with a disjointed strip of land in the centre of the republic. This plan was rejected by Cutileiro. However, he put forth a revised draft of the original which stated that the three constituent units would be "based on national principles and taking into account economic, geographic, and other criteria." On 18 March 1992, all three sides signed the agreement; Alija Izetbegović for the Bosniaks, Radovan Karadžić for the Bosnian Serbs and Mate Boban for the Bosnian Croats. On 28 March 1992, after a meeting with US ambassador to Yugoslavia Warren Zimmermann in Sarajevo, Izetbegović withdrew his signature and declared his opposition to any division of Bosnia. What was said and by whom remains unclear. Zimmerman denies that he told Izetbegović that if he withdrew his signature, the United States would grant recognition to Bosnia as an independent state. What is indisputable is that Izetbegović, that same day, withdrew his signature and renounced the agreement.[/quote] There is no irony in this, considering Serbia had more than it's share of refugees after hundreds of thousands of them were ethnically cleansed from Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo, right in the middle of worldwide sanctions against it. [img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/uqEg6Es.gif[/img_thumb] [quote=Kosovo demographic's] At 1.3% per year (2008 data), ethnic Albanians in Kosovo have the fastest rate of growth in population in Europe.[164] Over an 82-year period (1921–2003) the population of Kosovo grew to 460% of its original size. Whereas Albanians constituted 60% of Kosovo's 500,000 person population in 1931, by 1991 they reached 81% of Kosovo's 2 million person population.[165] In the second half of the 20th century, Kosovo Albanians had three times higher birth rates than Serbs.[166] In addition, most of Kosovo's pre-1999 Serb population relocated to Serbia proper following the ethnic cleansing campaign in 1999.[110][/quote] [img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/TO3992u.png[/img_thumb] I'm all for Serbia having it's share of burden carried, and Hague is doing just that, but if you think you can shift the whole burden to Serbia and then wash your hands off the messy conflicts all I can tell you is to get fucked, or better yet stop being so narrow-minded and educate yourself. All you're doing is just vindicating the same people you're against in Serbia, while vilifying the whole nation. All any nationalistic party has to do is point to posts like yours and say "See? They really are against you!". The thing why this might be bit more irritating is that I'm fairly positive all of this is multiplied tenfold because Serbia has friendly relations with Russia. I'm p sure different tunes would be played if any other nation involved were staunch Russian ally. Like get real, you people have more empathy towards Nazi Germans suffering after they exterminated tens of millions Russians. All I really see is thinly veiled Russo/anything-non-western/""conservative""phobia channeled through the dislike of Serbia. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Gimmick" - Sgt Doom))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=asdrda;51681256]*snip*[/QUOTE] Mas u picku materne cetnike. Sta za bijelina? Srbe na vrbe, srbe su krive za sve rate. Fuck you [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming/moonspeak" - Sgt Doom))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51683265]Ah yes, of course, obscure right wing youtube channels. Nowadays a rising source of retardation. And a conswrvative think tank!.[/QUOTE] I did not know that the German government is a right wing think tank, i thought they stopped being that after 1945. [QUOTE][url]http://www.bamf.de/SharedDocs/Anlagen/DE/Publikationen/Kurzanalysen/kurzanalyse3_sozial-komponenten.pdf?__blob=publicationFile[/url][/QUOTE] Maybe you should check the sources he used to make these video's or wait i will help you: [QUOTE][url]https://www.bra.se/download/18.cba82f[/url]... [url]http://raj.sagepub.com/content/3/3/167[/url] [url]http://sci-hub.cc/10.1177/21533687134[/url]... [url]http://www.statistikdatabasen.scb.se/[/url]... [url]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-brit[/url]... [url]http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-[/url]... [url]http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-[/url]... [url]https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads[/url]... [url]https://www.bka.de/SharedDocs/Downloa[/url]... [url]https://www.bka.de/DE/Publikationen/P[/url]... [url]http://de.statista.com/statistik/date[/url]... [url]https://www.destatis.de/DE/ZahlenFakt[/url]... [url]http://www.rsf.uni-greifswald.de/file[/url]... [url]https://www.bmfsfj.de/RedaktionBMFSFJ[/url]... [url]http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/[/url]... [url]https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09[/url]... [/QUOTE] Or are you such a ideologue that anything you see that contradict your narrative is considered right wing? [QUOTE=Trebgarta;51683265] Thanks for letting us have a glimpse into what is wrong with you.[/QUOTE] No problem i think this post said more about you then me.

I'm sorry, when you post a video calling the refugee crisis "The Muslim Invasion of Europe", you lose me and the vast majority of people - because that's obvious horseshit bias.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51683472]I'm sorry, when you post a video calling the refugee crisis "The Muslim Invasion of Europe", you lose me and the vast majority of people - because that's obvious horseshit bias.[/QUOTE] Please tell me how it is not because last time i checked the majority of them were not Buddhist were they? The fact he called it "The Muslim Invasion of Europe" services to high light the negative effects that large illegal immigration of Muslims bring to Europe. If a title like that is already is enough to put you off i think your the one who got some horseshit bias.

Because it's not an invasion and it's not "highlighting the negative effects" of the refugee crisis, it's demonising the people and putting them into a complete negative light? It's sensationalist and misrepresenting what's happening? It's downright misleading? You're the one with the bias mate. I'm not looking at complete misinformation.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51683528]Because it's not an invasion and it's not "highlighting the negative effects" of the refugee crisis, it's demonising the people and putting them into a complete negative light? It's sensationalist and misrepresenting what's happening? It's downright misleading? You're the one with the bias mate. I'm not looking at complete misinformation.[/QUOTE] If the facts back it up it is not misleading or demonizing just look at all the data i posted form government organisation showing where these people come from and what the crime rates are. The fact you have not looked into that just show you don't want to because the information it contains does not fit with your narrative. So who is the one with the bias mate?

[QUOTE=TheNukeNL;51683513]Please tell me how it is not because last time i checked the majority of them were not Buddhist were they? The fact he called it "The Muslim Invasion of Europe" services to high light the negative effects that large illegal immigration of Muslims bring to Europe. If a title like that is already is enough to put you off i think your the one who got some horseshit bias.[/QUOTE] No, legit very few people will take you seriously. Muslim invasion is intended to stir up vibes of some religious war bs, its made to incite fear, hatred and violence on the basis of religion (imo I suspect the creators also intended it on the basis on ethnicity but I have no outright proof for that proposition). The vast majority (read 99.9999%) of people coming to europe for a better life, either by fleeing war and starvation or ( rightfully or otherwise ) for a a more stable place to live with better prospects for them and their family. They're not trying to invade europe, its not an invasion, quit spreading fear and hate - by spreading his shitty videos you are helping monetise and incentivise his misinformation. He's profiting from you spreading his hate - imo that makes him less favourable than most of the people he preaches against.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51683528]Because it's not an invasion and it's not "highlighting the negative effects" of the refugee crisis, it's demonising the people and putting them into a complete negative light? It's sensationalist and misrepresenting what's happening? It's downright misleading? You're the one with the bias mate. I'm not looking at complete misinformation.[/QUOTE] Yeah, Italian is loud here.. how are your refugee gangs going on? I hear it's nice cause even Italy mafia is afraid of them and declared war on them.

[QUOTE=Fourier;51683662]Yeah, Italian is loud here.. how are your refugee gangs going on? I hear it's nice cause even Italy mafia is afraid of them and declared war on them.[/QUOTE] The italian mafia declared war on refugees?

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;51683577]No, legit very few people will take you seriously. Muslim invasion is intended to stir up vibes of some religious war bs, its made to incite fear, hatred and violence on the basis of religion (imo I suspect the creators also intended it on the basis on ethnicity but I have no outright proof for that proposition).[/QUOTE] Nowhere in that video does he make any claims about religious war with Islam or he calls for hatred and violence. He merely points out the high crime that is associated with the high amount of illegal immigration of Muslims and there for a title like that can fitting. [QUOTE=mdeceiver79;51683577]The vast majority (read 99.9999%) of people coming to europe for a better life, either by fleeing war and starvation or ( rightfully or otherwise ) for a a more stable place to live with better prospects for them and their family.[/QUOTE] How how naive are you? The reports that i posted above say something else you know and they come form [B][I][U]European governments. [/U][/I][/B] [QUOTE=mdeceiver79;51683577]They're not trying to invade europe, its not an invasion, quit spreading fear and hate - by spreading his shitty videos you are helping monetise and incentivise his misinformation. He's profiting from you spreading his hate - imo that makes him less favourable than most of the people he preaches against.[/QUOTE] Why would i, he makes good videos showing what the effects are of all this mass illegal immigrants into Europe. He does this by using data that is both from the European governments and from research organisations. He also provides links to this information in the video description so it is all there to see for yourself. If that defines as spreading hate and fear then i am sorry to burst you bubble it simply isn't. So come on show me some other data that tells me otherwise. Because there should be some data to back up your claims as well right?

[QUOTE=Fourier;51683662]Yeah, Italian is loud here.. how are your refugee gangs going on? I hear it's nice cause even Italy mafia is afraid of them and declared war on them.[/QUOTE] That's the Irish flag, you dunce.

[QUOTE=Stopper;51683809]That's the Irish flag, you dunce.[/QUOTE] He thought I was Italian? jasus fecking christ ara now i'm as irish as the irish could be, wat an eejit.