• FBI conducted predawn raid of former Trump campaign chairman Manafort’s home
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[img]https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/rw/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2017/08/09/National-Politics/Images/Trump_Russia_Probe_38617-ece03.jpg?uuid=eX2PwH0CEeeDx1vVRg8Nfg&w=600[/img] [quote][B]FBI agents raided the Alexandria home of President Trump’s former campaign chairman late last month, using a search warrant to seize documents and other materials, according to people familiar with the special counsel investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.[/B] Federal agents appeared at Paul Manafort’s home without advance warning in the predawn hours of July 26, the day after he met voluntarily with the staff for the Senate Intelligence Committee. The search warrant was wide-ranging and FBI agents working with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III departed the home with various records. Jason Maloni, a spokesman for Manafort, confirmed that agents executed a warrant at one of the political consultant’s homes and that Manafort cooperated with the search. The raid came as Manafort has been voluntarily producing documents to congressional committees investigating Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election. [B]The search warrant indicates investigators may have argued to a federal judge they had reason to believe Manafort could not be trusted to turn over all records in response to a grand jury subpoena.[/B] It could also have been intended to send a message to President Trump’s former campaign chairman that he should not expect gentle treatment or legal courtesies from Mueller’s team.[/quote] [URL=https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/fbi-conducted-predawn-raid-of-former-trump-campaign-chairman-manaforts-home/2017/08/09/5879fa9c-7c45-11e7-9d08-b79f191668ed_story.html]SOURCE[/URL]
Cant wait till they raid the white house and bring Trump out in handcuffs.
This will be the start of many Shredders are in high demand in Washington D.C right now
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52555032]Cant wait till they raid the white house and bring Trump out in handcuffs.[/QUOTE] FBI raid of the White House would be a spectacularly novel thing to see. I don't even know if fiction has gone that far.
Oh shit. FBI better move quick with any other possible raids because after this everyone else is gonna be shredding their shit.
Better move fast on the rest. Next hit Trump Tower, Jared Kushner, and Trump Jr.
Has there been any raids before this, or is this the first? In that case - holy shit, this is a pretty huge escalation.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;52555075]Has there been any raids before this, or is this the first? In that case - holy shit, this is a pretty huge escalation.[/QUOTE] This is the first one [I]that we know about[/I]. According to the article the raid happened late last month, so there may have been more before/since then that haven't even surfaced yet. The only reason we heard about this one is because it was leaked to WaPo by an anonymous source. [I]Edited:[/I] Apparently this happened the same day as the transgender ban tweet. Distraction much?
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52555032]Cant wait till they raid Mar-a-Lago and bring Trump out in handcuffs.[/QUOTE] Fixed for ya
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52555032]Cant wait till they raid the white house and bring Trump out in handcuffs.[/QUOTE] The FBI doesn't have the authority to arrest a sitting president, however the Senate can arrest him. He would need to be impeached before any criminal charges could be pressed.
He looks like a younger brother of Sylvester Stallone, with less slackjaw...
[QUOTE=Omali;52555211]The FBI doesn't have the authority to arrest a sitting president, however the Senate can arrest him. He would need to be impeached before any criminal charges could be pressed.[/QUOTE] I am unable to find a legal basis for this claim. The Constitution grants immunity from arrest only to members of Congress, not to the president. Sovereign immunity only applies to the federal government itself, not to individual members for any crimes committed outside of of their office, or for certain crimes within it. Was this defined in federal law somewhere?
[QUOTE=gman003-main;52555265]I am unable to find a legal basis for this claim. The Constitution grants immunity from arrest only to members of Congress, not to the president. Sovereign immunity only applies to the federal government itself, not to individual members for any crimes committed outside of of their office, or for certain crimes within it. Was this defined in federal law somewhere?[/QUOTE] No, but you won't find anyone in the attorney general's office willing to prosecute. There is nothing in the Constitution explicitly saying that the president can't be arrested and prosecuted, but the AG office considers it to be unconstitutional as it would unduly interfere with the executive branch, and that a jury of 12 normal citizens don't have the authority to overturn an election result mandated by the people. The question of whether the president could be prosecuted came up during Nixon, and basically the answer was that the people who could theoretically prosecute never would. Anyone hoping to arrest the president would also need to get past the armed secret service protection whose number one priority would be to ensure the president's safety. [url]https://biotech.law.lsu.edu/blaw/olc/sitting_president.htm[/url]
[QUOTE=gman003-main;52555265]I am unable to find a legal basis for this claim. The Constitution grants immunity from arrest only to members of Congress, not to the president. Sovereign immunity only applies to the federal government itself, not to individual members for any crimes committed outside of of their office, or for certain crimes within it. Was this defined in federal law somewhere?[/QUOTE] [URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/29/us/politics/a-constitutional-puzzle-can-the-president-be-indicted.html"]The Constitution's power to shield a President from criminal prosecution is untested, but largely considered to be [I]implied[/I].[/URL] Impeachment is considered the established remedy and there's no established legal precedent for indicting a sitting President on criminal charges.
Can't you guys tell that it is entirely normal for the FBI to conduct a pre-dawn raid on you? This is just another nothing-burger /s Honestly though...things look bleak for Trump and Co.
[QUOTE=Retinazer;52555359]Can't you guys tell that it is entirely normal for the FBI to conduct a pre-dawn raid on you? This is just another nothing-burger /s Honestly though...things look bleak for Trump and Co.[/QUOTE] And good for civization. The more Trump has looming over his head the quicker he will make the critical mistake that gets him impeached. My only question is if you can impeache an entire administration, rather than just the POTUS.
[QUOTE=Retinazer;52555359]Can't you guys tell that it is entirely normal for the FBI to conduct a pre-dawn raid on you? This is just another nothing-burger /s Honestly though...things look bleak for Trump and Co.[/QUOTE] The excuse will be that Trump fired Manafort, so clearly Trump wasn't involved and/or disapproved of Manafort's crimes, and Manafort was just a lone agent. The funny part is, all of those statements are lies. Manafort has been [I]living[/I] on Floor 43 of Trump Tower for [URL="https://ny.curbed.com/2016/10/25/13405036/trump-tower-residents-list"][B][I]ELEVEN YEARS[/I][/B][/URL], he's close friends with Trump, he resigned (not fired) from the campaign. Let's not even begin with the other shit, like him getting [URL="https://www.apnews.com/20cfc75c82eb4a67b94e624e97207e23"]illegally paid under the table[/URL] by pro-Russian Ukrainian politicians, [URL="https://www.apnews.com/122ae0b5848345faa88108a03de40c5a"]working on Putin's payroll[/URL] to "forward his interests abroad," has been [URL="http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-manafort-daughter-text-messages-ukraine-2017-3"]privately accused by his own family of killing people in Ukraine[/URL] as revealed in text leaks... should I stop? Manafort is [I]absolutely fucked[/I], and he should know it by now. He has family in the US. Mueller's trying to flip Manafort, and if he can use him as a key witness, it's game fucking over. He's either going to flip and implicate Trump in an international conspiracy to rig the election, or he's going to spend his life in prison, or he's going to die from polonium in his cocktail. He's already dead - best he can do is clear his name at this point.
I knew from the beginning of the whole mess that Manafort would be ruined, but unless they're able to implicate anyone else off his records I don't see this going much farther than him and maybe Mike Flynn. Now the spectacle really begins.
Chonch, you know how you said you'd answer any questions asked of you about your support of Trump if they were sent via PM or visitor message? It took me a few days, but I was able to send you a lengthy PM. I'm assuming you simply haven't had time to respond yet? Also, on-topic, I am going to take a degree of pleasure in reminding you of your comments if your dismissals of this pretty serious development prove wishful thinking on your part. As I expressed in my PM to you, the biggest part of the reason that people are irritated by your comments is that you're displaying Sean Murray levels of denial without ever addressing the arguments presented to you for why a situation is more serious than you're making it out to be. The few childish shitposters we've got on this forum get away with such intellectual dishonesty, but we tend to expect better from educated professionals such as yourself.
[QUOTE=Chonch;52555676]I knew from the beginning of the whole mess that Manafort would be ruined, but unless they're able to implicate anyone else off his records I don't see this going much farther than him and maybe Mike Flynn. Now the spectacle really begins.[/QUOTE] If you're still pretending that there's no link between the investigation into whether or not [I]Donald Trump and/or his campaign team[/I] committed treason against the United States by acting in collusion with a hostile foreign government to undermine our electoral process, and [I]Trump's campaign manager[/I] having his home raided under warrants obtained by the investigative team [I]whose sole purpose is to investigate the allegations of collusion[/I], then you honestly have no business participating in this discussion. That level of delusion is embarrassing to witness, and so hopelessly irrational that there exists no possible rebuttal beyond simply chastising you. I know that you continue to falsely insist that this is just a "counterintelligence probe," but this is a [B]criminal investigation[/B], and the FBI is now kicking in the doors of the biggest players in Trump's campaign, armed with federal search and seizure warrants. That does not happen lightly. You know what occurred within only a couple weeks after this pre-dawn raid? Mueller called to order a Grand Jury. Shit is happening. The noose is tightening around Trump and his people [I]right now[/I]. Your delusional ramblings are getting tiring. You can call this "Fake News" until you're blue in the face, but please stop making the rest of us "listen" to it until you're willing to talk sense.
[QUOTE=mcharest;52555078]This is the first one [I]that we know about[/I]. According to the article the raid happened late last month, so there may have been more before/since then that haven't even surfaced yet. The only reason we heard about this one is because it was leaked to WaPo by an anonymous source. [I]Edited:[/I] Apparently this happened the same day as the transgender ban tweet. Distraction much?[/QUOTE] There was a raid on GOP PAC office in maryland a couple months back
Trump's Twitter account on that same day: [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGy0RuzXsAALZU1.jpg[/IMG] (Notice how Trump advocates for the firing of the FBI director... :thinking: )
[QUOTE=Chonch;52555676]I knew from the beginning of the whole mess that Manafort would be ruined, but unless they're able to implicate anyone else off his records I don't see this going much farther than him and maybe Mike Flynn. Now the spectacle really begins.[/QUOTE] At the rate you keep moving the goalposts to justify defending Trump he's going to be impeached and convicted before you even consider admitting he was a shit choice. It's actually kinda amazing and quite horrifying just how far people will go to defend their bad choices.
[QUOTE=Alice3173;52555889]At the rate you keep moving the goalposts to justify defending Trump he's going to be impeached and convicted before you even consider admitting he was a shit choice. It's actually kinda amazing and quite horrifying just how far people will go to defend their bad choices.[/QUOTE] He will never admit that (or, at least, the majority of Trump's cult followers won't). By the end of this, Trump will be the Great Hero and True Patriot who saved us from Evil Hillary with the help of our good friends in the Kremlin.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52555954]He will never admit that (or, at least, the majority of Trump's cult followers won't). By the end of this, Trump will be the Great Hero and True Patriot who saved us from Evil Hillary with the help of our good friends in the Kremlin.[/QUOTE] You mentioned it was a criminal investigation, do you have any source on that or is it your opinion? [editline]9th August 2017[/editline] And I heard this mentioned the other day on a talk show I listen to, nobody really knows what is going to happen with this investigation except for mueller and his team. And that goes both ways. Surprisingly there haven't been any leaks from his investigation team (wonder why), and so anybody claiming they know what's going to happen is basing it on speculation and opinion.
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52555966]You mentioned it was a criminal investigation, do you have any source on that or is it your opinion?[/QUOTE] Seriously? This has been a full-on criminal investigation for several months now. [url]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/18/robert-mueller-takes-russia-case-as-criminal-inves/[/url] I mean, even just from basic context clues that really should be obvious. You don't bring in special prosecutors, grand juries, and pre-dawn FBI raids on high level campaign officials for "counterintelligence probes." This became a criminal investigation the moment Robert Meuller was appointed after Trump attempted to kill the investigation by firing the Comey for not dropping it.
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52555966]You mentioned it was a criminal investigation, do you have any source on that or is it your opinion? [editline]9th August 2017[/editline] And I heard this mentioned the other day on a talk show I listen to, nobody really knows what is going to happen with this investigation except for mueller and his team. And that goes both ways. Surprisingly there haven't been any leaks from his investigation team ([B]wonder why[/B]), and so anybody claiming they know what's going to happen is basing it on speculation and opinion.[/QUOTE] Please, extrapolate for us. Hypothetically, and as a devil's advocate, of course.
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52555966]You mentioned it was a criminal investigation, do you have any source on that or is it your opinion? [editline]9th August 2017[/editline] And I heard this mentioned the other day on a talk show I listen to, nobody really knows what is going to happen with this investigation except for mueller and his team. And that goes both ways. Surprisingly there haven't been any leaks from his investigation team (wonder why), and so anybody claiming they know what's going to happen is basing it on speculation and opinion.[/QUOTE] The OP is a leak from his investigation team
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52555983]Seriously? This has been a full-on criminal investigation for several months now. [url]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/18/robert-mueller-takes-russia-case-as-criminal-inves/[/url] I mean, even just from basic context clues that really should be obvious. You don't bring in special prosecutors, grand juries, and pre-dawn FBI raids on high level campaign officials for "counterintelligence probes." This became a criminal investigation the moment Robert Meuller was appointed after Trump attempted to kill the investigation by firing the Comey for not dropping it.[/QUOTE] Ah alright, I was mistaken. [editline]9th August 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52555992]The OP is a leak from his investigation team[/QUOTE] It doesn't say it was from his team, and I meant in regards to decisions and outcomes of the investigation.
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52555966][B]Surprisingly there haven't been any leaks from his investigation team (wonder why)[/B], and so anybody claiming they know what's going to happen is basing it on speculation and opinion.[/QUOTE] What did he mean by this?
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