• Nazi Holocaust Memorabilia Removed From eBay
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[URL="http://news.sky.com/story/1163138/ebay-nazi-holocaust-memorabilia-removed"][IMG]http://news.sky.com/static/XE0bXhwcaGuxC3dsdupK3cAKXmxHm9IE0GoUJYp3uFO.png[/IMG][/URL] Click for Source [QUOTE]Auction site eBay has apologised after Nazi Holocaust memorabilia, including clothes worn by concentration camp victims, were traded online.Journalists claim to have found several items for sale, including a complete Auschwitz uniform worn by a Polish baker who died in the camp. The Auschwitz uniform had reportedly been priced at £11,300 by the seller, a Ukrainian man in Canada, named as Viktor Kempf.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/11/3/268296/default/v1/5-1-942x530.jpg[/IMG] [FONT=Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif][COLOR=#d7d7d7]Le Trousers In Question [QUOTE][/COLOR][/FONT]EBay has offered to donate £25,000 to charity after the items were discovered and admitted they breached the terms of use.The online retailer said: "We are very sorry these items have been listed on eBay and we are removing them. "We don't allow listings of this nature, and dedicate thousands of staff to policing our site and use the latest technology to detect items that shouldn't be for sale.[FONT=Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif][COLOR=#d7d7d7][/QUOTE] Well, at least it all got taken down. [/COLOR][/FONT] [editline]3rd November 2013[/editline] Fucking copy-paste autism sorry :/ [editline]3rd November 2013[/editline] Fucking copy-paste autism sorry :/
Do you know how to edit your posts?
Why is it so bad to sell those? I see that the holocaust is a very touchy subject, but this is a piece of history, and other historic 'collectables' are being traded on ebay aswell.
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[QUOTE=DrDevil;42741862]Why is it so bad to sell those? I see that the holocaust is a very touchy subject, but this is a piece of history, and other historic 'collectables' are being traded on ebay aswell.[/QUOTE] Agreed, these are just as historic as the artifacts from the Spanish inquisition.
What's wrong with people selling clothes on ebay? How I see it, if they'll only take it down because it was, you know, worn by a jew in the holocaust or something, they should leave it. If the guy had just said they were a plain pair of shorts would they have cared? no.
[QUOTE=DrDevil;42741862]Why is it so bad to sell those? I see that the holocaust is a very touchy subject, but this is a piece of history, and other historic 'collectables' are being traded on ebay aswell.[/QUOTE] It's not like this tarnished their value at all. In fact this article probably got them sold even faster. The fact that they were removed strictly because what they are associated with is a powerful testament to their unprecedented historical value.
[quote] It was claimed Mr Kempf had been criticised in the past for selling such items, but did so to "document" them and to fund history book projects. Mr Kempf was quoted as saying: "I don't want people to think I'm just doing it for the money. These periods in history are horrific, nobody should ever forget them."[/quote] What's the issue then?
[QUOTE=DrDevil;42741862]Why is it so bad to sell those? I see that the holocaust is a very touchy subject, but this is a piece of history, and other historic 'collectables' are being traded on ebay aswell.[/QUOTE] Its illegal in some countries or just against company policies to buy and sell authentic WW2 memorabilia as its seen as immoral and unethical to make profit off of other people's misfortune and suffering.
What the fuck, those are collectables and pieces of history that are literally priceless, I know the holocaust is an awful topic but we need pieces of memorabilia like this so the events are never forgotten...How can having the opportunity to own them be offensive or am I missing something?
BJ Blazkowicz called, he wants his prison clothes back. :v: On a more sedate note, while it could be construed as morally grey to some people for selling holocaust or Nazi memorabilia purely because of the turbulence associated with those times, it isn't wrong in that sense either. It's an individual thing to think of whether it's moral or immoral, and quite frankly, I for one don't believe there's any problem with selling it. Glorifying the Holocaust is quite another thing entirely, and you'd have to be really dumb to do that.
I'd like those things in a museum.
I deal in militaria like this myself, though mostly medals, uniforms, flags etc. so I can certainly understand that clothes are by far more personal, even more so holocaust ones. Though, people are willing to trade with grave dug items as well, dogtags, helmets with bullet holes in them and so forth, and unless he managed to get ahold of this in some illegal way, I don't see any problem in him selling it, even more so since it is all going to a good cause.
[QUOTE=Midas22;42742296]Its illegal in some countries or just against company policies to buy and sell authentic WW2 memorabilia as its seen as immoral and unethical to make profit off of other people's misfortune and suffering.[/QUOTE] On the other hand there are tons of companies abusing the conditions in foreign countries to produce their stuff a little bit cheaper than in first world countries...
Why would anyone want to buy and collect them anyway? Better if it were displayed in a museum.
[QUOTE=Swamplord;42742647]Why would anyone want to buy and collect them anyway? Better if it were displayed in a museum.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://www.dredmorwiki.com/w/images/f/f7/Skill_archaeology0_64.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;42742668][IMG]http://www.dredmorwiki.com/w/images/f/f7/Skill_archaeology0_64.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] When I say "them" I mean more towards stuff like Auschwitz uniform worn by a dead holocaust victim. Not really something that you can marvel at imo.
[QUOTE=Swamplord;42742836]When I say "them" I mean more towards stuff like Auschwitz uniform worn by a dead holocaust victim. Not really something that you can marvel at imo.[/QUOTE] obligatory joke over head reference [url]http://www.dredmorwiki.com/wiki/Archaeology[/url]
[QUOTE=SuddenImpact;42742635]On the other hand there are tons of companies abusing the conditions in foreign countries to produce their stuff a little bit cheaper than in first world countries...[/QUOTE] I think warfare and genocide are a bit more immoral than low pay sweat shop labor but that's just me I guess.
[QUOTE=Midas22;42742860]I think warfare and genocide are a bit more immoral than low pay sweat shop labor but that's just me I guess.[/QUOTE] Technically yes, but the issue is that this is [U]past[/U] warfare and genocide and trading these items doesn't exactly proliferate it, unlike buying sweat shop products.
Seriously? Soviet stuff is for sale too, and the early soviet union was a garbage place to live, particularly if you were Ukrainian. People need to stop screaming out that their offended at the slightest thing, nobody said they had to purchase those items, or hell, likely they didn't have to even view them.
They should consider it an honor that someone is selling something from that time period on eBay. Also questioning legality, ebay is a US based company where I'm pretty sure it's not illegal
[QUOTE=DrDevil;42741862]Why is it so bad to sell those? I see that the holocaust is a very touchy subject, but this is a piece of history, and other historic 'collectables' are being traded on ebay aswell.[/QUOTE] It's extremely tasteless [editline]3rd November 2013[/editline] Owning them is one thing but making 12 grand off them is another
[QUOTE=godinthehouse;42741863]op edit be broken[/QUOTE] read the sticky and educate yo self (hint: remove the £ sign)
The guy was making documentation and books off of the money so that people wouldn't forget that such a period as dark as the Holocaust existed.
As a WW2 collector I don't see an issue with this? The items are there, they survived 70 years to be here today. It's not like they're being sold as a halloween costume or something, it's an artifact from a period of horrific suffering that, in its almost innocent pajama-like appearance, embodies the nearly incomprehensible immorality of the Holocaust. It has a lot to say and in my opinion the worse crime is trying to pretend it never happened by keeping such things out of the public eye. [editline]3rd November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=James*;42743559]It's extremely tasteless [editline]3rd November 2013[/editline] Owning them is one thing but making 12 grand off them is another[/QUOTE] These items will be traded. Everything has a price tag, and with multiple collectors and museums vying for them that price tag increases as each makes a higher offer. Can you seriously not understand this?
[QUOTE=teh pirate;42743669]As a WW2 collector I don't see an issue with this? The items are there, they survived 70 years to be here today. It's not like they're being sold as a halloween costume or something, it's an artifact from a period of horrific suffering that, in its almost innocent pajama-like appearance, embodies the nearly incomprehensible immorality of the Holocaust. It has a lot to say and in my opinion the worse crime is trying to pretend it never happened by keeping such things out of the public eye. [editline]3rd November 2013[/editline] These items will be traded. Everything has a price tag, and with multiple collectors and museums vying for them that price tag increases as each makes a higher offer. Can you seriously not understand this?[/QUOTE] Yes I'm familiar with how buying and selling works. And I'm passing judgement on the process by saying it's tasteless. Can you seriously not understand this? [editline]3rd November 2013[/editline] The alternative would be hanging onto them or donating them to a museum. I'm not sure how that is tantamount to 'pretending the holocaust never happened' [editline]3rd November 2013[/editline] Let me guess, i bet you own gas masks and weapons because of your 'deep interest in history'
[QUOTE=teh pirate;42743669]As a WW2 collector I don't see an issue with this? The items are there, they survived 70 years to be here today. It's not like they're being sold as a halloween costume or something, it's an artifact from a period of horrific suffering that, in its almost innocent pajama-like appearance, embodies the nearly incomprehensible immorality of the Holocaust. It has a lot to say and in my opinion the worse crime is trying to pretend it never happened by keeping such things out of the public eye. [/QUOTE] I agree fully. I own a small helmet collection, mainly from The First World war. I treat every helmet with the utmost respect because they once belonged to someone who fought, and was possibly wounded or killed. [QUOTE=James*;42743694]Let me guess, i bet you own gas masks and weapons because of your 'deep interest in history'[/QUOTE] Considering I plan on going into Archeology, yes! These objects need to be preserved because they're part of our history and if it takes individuals to care for those objects then so be it. I bet you'd make fun of Mannie Gentile too. [url]http://combathelmets.blogspot.com/[/url] He's a Park Ranger at Antietam National Battlefield and has one of the finest helmet collections I know of. As well he interviewed Frank Buckles before he passed (RIP) and is part of the documentary "Pershing's Last Patriot". In addition to all of that he goes around to schools occasionally with some of his helmets to help teach the history of their associated periods to students. How did he acquire that collection? Some of them bought, one or two he 'borrowed' from the Navy once he retired, some have been given to him.
[QUOTE=James*;42743694]Let me guess, i bet you own gas masks and weapons because of your 'deep interest in history'[/QUOTE] I own a WW2 Lee Enfield rifle and a pre-1900s Parkhurst side by side shotgun, a slew of edged weapons from 1850 to 1945 (including a Prussian artillery sabre made in 1856 in Solingen), as well as currency from various dead empires (all the way back to the Romans), propaganda posters from the early 1900s on, music and other audio records from 1900 on, and various other miscellaneous historic artifacts. All of these are meticulously cared for. In addition, I often swap items with other collectors, sometimes with a bit of money thrown in, to change it up and expand my knowledge. Do you actually have a problem with this?
[QUOTE=Midas22;42742296]Its illegal in some countries or just against company policies to buy and sell authentic WW2 memorabilia as its seen as immoral and unethical to make profit off of other people's misfortune and suffering.[/QUOTE] What if you were the victim?
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