• mainstream Windows 7 support ends Jan 2015
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[QUOTE]Free mainstream support for all versions of Windows 7 will end on 13 Jan 2015, but the company has promised to provide security patches through to 2020, according to Business Insider. This notice of intent from Redmond could affect the decisions of some businesses which are currently migrating away from Windows XP and on to Windows 7 rather than Windows 8.X. However, as seen with XP, Microsoft has previously pushed back end of support dates.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://hexus.net/tech/news/software/71917-microsoft-warns-mainstream-windows-7-support-ends-jan-2015/"]http://hexus.net/tech/news/software/71917-microsoft-warns-mainstream-windows-7-support-ends-jan-2015/[/URL] Please don't be total morons and start a flaming os war, thanks.
Huh. Seems like it was shorter than the time for XP. It's always good for people to be brought up to date with computers.
[QUOTE]but the company has promised to provide security patches through to 2020[/QUOTE] eh it's not an issue
I do need to get a second harddrive to dualboot w7 and w8 anyways kinda weird they're doing this so early though? then again, its been 9 years, and windows 9 is coming security patches remain however so I guess its not anything that matters. What else can they tweak outside of security?
Actually no, it's right on time - it's been almost five years since Win7 was released, which is about the time in the Windows lifecycle MS normally wants to cut off support for. XP only got the amount of support it did because stubborn idiots who refused to move on held a strong majority in market share for the longest time.
Mainline support just means no more Service packs. It's not a big deal, especially since 2020 is a long time to support an OS on just security updates.
[QUOTE=Papytendo;45363742]eh it's not an issue[/QUOTE] They did the same sort of thing with XP, and look at how that turned out.
[QUOTE=darrn;45363776]They did the same sort of thing with XP, and look at how that turned out.[/QUOTE]Yeah a lot of people got to use a good OS for years with very little issue
[QUOTE=Papytendo;45363796]Yeah a lot of people got to use a good OS for years with very little issue[/QUOTE] oh christ Honestly you people need to realize that there comes a point when using an old OS holds everything back.
[QUOTE=Papytendo;45363796]Yeah a lot of people got to use a good OS for years with very little issue[/QUOTE] Sure, you're good for a year or two, but then after that you really should consider moving on. Don't be that guy I know still running system 7 20 years later.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;45363803]oh christ Honestly you people need to realize that there comes a point when using an old OS holds everything back.[/QUOTE]He never said that? XP stayed viable for quite a while, even after 7 was released.
Meh. Happens all the time. Ain't something to flip out over (yet).
Security patches are all that matter anymore anyway.
I hope Windows 9 is good. I love everything about 7, it's one of those things that is just, kinda perfect. There isn't a whole lot to improve on. On that, I don't know how the fuck people defend Windows 8, I mean sure there's opinion, but goddamn a lot of people just blindly defend it, and ignore the whole "This OS was designed for tablets, and just cause it supports x86 instructions we allow it for regular computers".
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;45363803]oh christ Honestly you people need to realize that there comes a point when using an old OS holds everything back.[/QUOTE] Not everybody needs the latest and greatest functionality in an OS. People need to be able to run Mach3 and other older specialized legacy Windows programs, and XP was and still is still used as a stopgap measure while companies develop more compatible software so security support for older OSes is important. [editline]12th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Binladen34;45363919]I hope Windows 9 is good. I love everything about 7, it's one of those things that is just, kinda perfect. There isn't a whole lot to improve on. On that, I don't know how the fuck people defend Windows 8, I mean sure there's opinion, but goddamn a lot of people just blindly defend it, and ignore the whole "This OS was designed for tablets, and just cause it supports x86 instructions we allow it for regular computers".[/QUOTE] Just because Apps exist doesn't mean Windows 8 was designed for tablets (Apps, if you didn't notice, work fine with a mouse and keyboard but happen to be more touchscreen friendly). It's still an unwieldy OS for touchscreen use because there has then little provisions set aside for user experience on the Desktop side of things and as long as you just use Metro as a shortcut menu and don't mess with apps like people never used Gadgets in Windows 7 you will be fine. I have no issues using it on anything from a massive triple-monitor setup to any of my laptops.
my greatest wish for windows 9 is the ability to use either metro or start and a much greater support of task bar skins so that its easy for me to have a steam skin (yeah w7 has one but it's hacky to enable) to match my metro-steam theme
How does this matter? We're still gonna get security patches.
[QUOTE=darrn;45363776]They did the same sort of thing with XP, and look at how that turned out.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Elecbullet;45363803]oh christ Honestly you people need to realize that there comes a point when using an old OS holds everything back.[/QUOTE] w7 still has years in it you know its an "Old dog" but it doesn't fuck around. It knows what its doing, and its damn good at it. windows 7 was the entire reason XP became very outdated. 7 was substantially better, and its not a huge difference compared to 8 even if 8 is a bit faster.
[QUOTE=fishyfish777;45363927]Not everybody needs the latest and greatest functionality in an OS. People need to be able to run Mach3 and other older specialized legacy Windows programs, and XP was and still is still used as a stopgap measure while companies develop more compatible software so security support for older OSes is important. [editline]12th July 2014[/editline] Just because Apps exist doesn't mean [B]Windows 8 was designed for tablets[/B] (Apps, if you didn't notice, work fine with a mouse and keyboard but happen to be more touchscreen friendly). It's still an unwieldy OS for touchscreen use because there has then little provisions set aside for user experience on the Desktop side of things and as long as you just use Metro as a shortcut menu and don't mess with apps like people never used Gadgets in Windows 7 you will be fine. I have no issues using it on anything from a massive triple-monitor setup to any of my laptops.[/QUOTE] Uh, it is. If you've used it 90% of the functions were designed with the aspect of a touch screen doing all of the movement, not a mouse. All the menus are structured like they would be on a tablet OS, and the gestures (Which a lot of the time are the [B]ONLY[/B] way to operate the OS, were designed with a touch screen in mind. Though they can be done with a mouse they are infinitely more tedious and difficult to do.
[QUOTE=J!NX;45363981]w7 still has years in it you know its an "Old dog" but it doesn't fuck around. It knows what its doing, and its damn good at it.[/QUOTE] Oh, I'm talking about XP more than I am 7 right now. Maybe I was quick to jump on the anti-anti-windows 8 bandwagon, if so, I'm sorry.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;45363997]Oh, I'm talking about XP more than I am 7 right now. Maybe I was quick to jump on the anti-anti-windows 8 bandwagon, if so, I'm sorry.[/QUOTE] I guess I was making more of a general statement, wasn't 100% sure what you meant since its a thread about 7 don't worry I still love you
[QUOTE=fishyfish777;45363927]Not everybody needs the latest and greatest functionality in an OS. People need to be able to run Mach3 and other older specialized legacy Windows programs, and XP was and still is still used as a stopgap measure while companies develop more compatible software so security support for older OSes is important. [/QUOTE] The thing is though, the people most vocal about their hatred towards Windows 8 are the people who spend hundreds of dollars on upgrades and then they skimp out on something that would actually give them more of a performance boost than adding another 8GB of memory.
[QUOTE=Binladen34;45363995]Uh, it is. If you've used it 90% of the functions were designed with the aspect of a touch screen doing all of the movement, not a mouse. All the menus are structured like they would be on a tablet OS, and the gestures (Which a lot of the time are the [B]ONLY[/B] way to operate the OS, were designed with a touch screen in mind. Though they can be done with a mouse they are infinitely more tedious and difficult to do.[/QUOTE] Gestures were never the only way to operate the OS, you always had Windows + I to open the Charms bar, Windows+W to search settings, Win+D to return to the desktop and could Alt+Tab and Alt+F4 between apps and Desktop programs. Granted, I only extensively use the Weather and Mail apps for Windows, but of those two Weather is a nice scrollable interface that instantly provides the most important information and Mail is also a simple interface that does reading mail alright because the primary feature is more notifying you when you get mail and firing off / reading quick emails instead of being Outlook. Also, Metro taking up fullscreen and making you move your mouse further is nullified by the fact that it's much easier to land your mouse cursor on an icon because it is larger, and the Windows key activating Metro so you can move your mouse preemptively. I notice no major decrease in efficiency in tasks from Windows 7 but keeping a Metro menu stocked is infinitely more clean-looking than cluttering the desktop with icons which is in premise [I]the exact same thing but more cluttered.[/I] 8's Metro just simply makes keeping the desktop clean easier because you have all the tools you need at your disposal on one screen without scrolling or opening menus unnecessarily and opening Explorer with Win+E or searching takes care of the rest.
[QUOTE=Binladen34;45363919]I hope Windows 9 is good. I love everything about 7, it's one of those things that is just, kinda perfect. There isn't a whole lot to improve on. On that, I don't know how the fuck people defend Windows 8, I mean sure there's opinion, but goddamn a lot of people just blindly defend it, and ignore the whole "This OS was designed for tablets, and just cause it supports x86 instructions we allow it for regular computers".[/QUOTE] I develop software for a living and I do a lot of technical stuff in addition to a lot of gaming and I use Windows 8 as my only operating system across my workstation and home PC. It is a faster, more secure and objectively better Windows 7, yeah the charm system sucks but that was fixed in 8.1.
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[QUOTE=Korova;45364056]I develop software for a living and I do a lot of technical stuff in addition to a lot of gaming and I use Windows 8 as my only operating system across my workstation and home PC. It is a faster, more secure and objectively better Windows 7, yeah the charm system sucks but that was fixed in 8.1.[/QUOTE] I love the actual running aspect of Windows 8, it's infinitely better than Windows 7 in how it interacts with hardware. But holy shit the UI is retarded. I haven't tried 8.1 yet, but the UI was so horrendous I formatted the Win8 drive and put Win7 back on. If 8.1 is such a massive improvement (I'll give it another shot on a VM, and see how I like it) in how the UI works, I'll consider throwing it on my main drive.
[QUOTE=darrn;45364058]what exactly could they do that would help them more then adding eight fricken' gigs of ram software wise? I think you mean about 512mb at the most.[/QUOTE] The people vocally hating on Windows 8 are the tinkerers and enthusiasts. It just annoys me that the people who spend thousands on their PC skimp out on the software side of things saying "oh well the performance boost isn't worth it". Anyone with Windows 7 could have upgraded to Windows 8 for $40. People pay hundreds just to get a couple frames and to make their PCs faster. It's bandwagon hate and nothing more.
Wow, for some reason it feels like windows 7 came out only a year or two ago. Still feels fresh and quick after the nightmare of vista.
[QUOTE=Binladen34;45364083]I love the actual running aspect of Windows 8, it's infinitely better than Windows 7 in how it interacts with hardware. But holy shit the UI is retarded. I haven't tried 8.1 yet, but the UI was so horrendous I formatted the Win8 drive and put Win7 back on.[/QUOTE] Well that's a knee-jerk reaction if I've ever heard of one. If you really hated it that much (which I don't understand why because it's faster and it unifies settings/program/file searching and looks great doing it), you could have downloaded one of the dozen or so free alternatives that bring back the old start menu. Only reason I touch metro from day to day computing is searching for files and changing settings. It is completely avoidable and if you take the time to organize it a bit, it can be really great. [t]http://media02.hongkiat.com/customize-win8-metro-tiles/Windows-8-Custom-Tiles.jpg[/t] Metro is like your smartphone's screen, it can be a cluttered mess with ugly icons all over the place or it can be nicely organized and nice to use.
[QUOTE=Korova;45364119]Well that's a knee-jerk reaction if I've ever heard of one. If you really hated it that much (which I don't understand why because it's faster and it unifies settings/program/file searching and looks great doing it), you could have downloaded one of the dozen or so free alternatives that bring back the old start menu.[/QUOTE] Who said I was talking about the start menu? I'm talking about the entire user interface.
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