Ukraine's shelling could have irreversible consequences - Polidicks

[IMG]http://gdb.voanews.com/46FBAC7C-47B8-413F-98AF-00FD2DC1E2EA_w640_s.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]Russia's foreign ministry says the Ukrainian army is responsible for the shelling that killed a man inside Russian territory, warning that the incident could have "irreversible consequences". Russian investigators say a man was killed and a woman injured when a shell fired from Ukrainian territory landed in the courtyard of a private house in the village of Donetsk, in Russia's Rostov region. "Naturally, this action will not be left without a corresponding reaction," the deputy foreign minister, Grigory Karasin, said in a radio interview on Sunday. "The talk with the Ukrainian side on this issue is going to be serious and tough." Over the weekend there was an escalation of both military action and rhetoric in the conflict in eastern Ukraine, as Ukrainian jets carried out air strikes against separatist positions. On Friday, 23 Ukrainian servicemen were killed in an attack using Grad missiles. "For every soldier's life, the militants will pay with dozens and hundreds of their own," said Ukraine's president, Petro Poroshenko, after Friday's attack. The Ukrainian army retook a number of towns that had been controlled by separatists in the past fortnight, including the rebel stronghold of Slavyansk, from which hundreds of fighters fled. The regional centres of Donetsk and Luhansk now contain the main concentration of separatist forces. As these are large conurbations, any attempt to take them back by force is likely to incur major civilian casualties. On Sunday the streets of Donetsk were nearly deserted after two days of heavy artillery fire in which several civilians were killed. Marinka, a nearby farming town, was hit with a barrage of artillery for the third day running. The assaults have caused large-scale destruction of apartment blocks, businesses and restaurants. Who is responsible for the firing remains unclear: both sides have weapons within range of the positions that have come under fire. The Guardian witnessed a convoy of 100-plus Ukrainian military vehicles including multi-rocket launchers, tanks and armoured personnel carriers disappear into fields of sunflowers nine miles south-west of rebel positions on the city outskirts on Wednesday evening. Vadislav Seleznev, the spokesperson for the government operation, has denied that the Kiev-backed forces are using artillery or air strikes in civilian areas and blamed rebel fire for the casualties. On Sunday most buses and trains out of Donetsk were fully booked and residents in the areas of fighting could be seen thumbing lifts with whatever possessions they could carry. Tens of thousands are believed to have fled the fighting in region. In Luhansk, the self-declared Luhansk People's Republic claimed it now had its own air force, made up of a single Su-25 fighter jet seized from the Ukrainian army. This could not immediately be confirmed. As the violence increases, fears are mounting that Russia and Ukraine could be edging towards some kind of military confrontation again, after a period when it had appeared that the tension was decreasing. "This incident is evidence of the very dangerous escalation of tension in the Russian-Ukrainian border area, and could have irreversible consequences, the responsibility for which lies with the Ukrainian side," said the foreign ministry's official statement, referring to the shelling of Russian territory. After Russia annexed Crimea, there were worries that Moscow might order an armed intervention in east Ukraine as well, but these fears were calmed last month when Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, asked parliament to rescind a declaration allowing him to use troops in Ukraine. Nevertheless, a source close to the Kremlin in Moscow said he believed that while the decision had been taken not to intervene in Ukraine, this could change at any moment. "I think all it would take would be one day where, say, 300 people are killed in the east and Putin will be simply obliged to act," said the source. "I don't think you can rule it out yet, not at all."[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/13/ukrainian-shell-russian-border-town-donetsk[/url]

I presume they're going to arrest another Ukrainian officer and charge them with outrageous accusations?

This kind of stuff tend to happen when you illegally occupy neighboring countries.

[QUOTE=Cheshire_cat;45383408]I presume they're going to arrest another Ukrainian officer and charge them with outrageous accusations?[/QUOTE] Well they killed a Russian civilian in an area that is not the jurisdiction of the Ukrainian Army. It is a serious incident.

This is just really annoying. Russia's being really annoying because they're the ones that started it, and Ukraine's being annoying because they're doing a fairly bad job at handling it and greying everything up. Then there's those effing rebels: [quote]In Luhansk, the self-declared Luhansk People's Republic claimed it now had its own air force, made up of a single Su-25 fighter jet seized from the Ukrainian army. This could not immediately be confirmed.[/quote]

I suppose killing someone is an irreversible consequence of shelling things

[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;45383430]This is just really annoying. Russia's being really annoying because they're the ones that started it, and Ukraine's being annoying because they're doing a fairly bad job at handling it and greying everything up. Then there's those effing rebels:[/QUOTE] I don't know what you've been reading but poorly-equipped Ukrainian militia able to kick ass and take over towns against a much heavier equipped opponent isn't something I'd call a fairly bad job. Besides, have you ever considered some of this may be bullshit? I've got family in Donetsk and before they fire there are obvious warnings that people should evacuate, hell they even throw pamphlets. My family in Donetsk also saw seperatists going around with grenade launchers shooting at buildings and claiming it was the government.

[QUOTE=Ghost656;45383636]I don't know what you've been reading but poorly-equipped Ukrainian militia able to kick ass and take over towns against a much heavier equipped opponent isn't something I'd call a fairly bad job. Besides, have you ever considered some of this may be bullshit? I've got family in Donetsk and before they fire there are obvious warnings that people should evacuate, hell they even throw pamphlets. My family in Donetsk also saw seperatists going around with grenade launchers shooting at buildings and claiming it was the government.[/QUOTE] Well my dad's Putin and he'll kik ur dads ass.

You mean poutine right?

[QUOTE=Ghost656;45383694]You mean poutine right?[/QUOTE] dont ever mix up that delicious substance with something that is oh so not delicious.

[QUOTE=TheKingofBees;45383740]dont ever mix up that delicious substance with something that is oh so not delicious.[/QUOTE] In French the proper spelling of Putin is Poutine.

This shit really needs to stop. Hasn't anyone learned that there are no winners in war? [editline]14th July 2014[/editline] And of course, usually the only way to stop it is to go and fight someone. Makes perfect sense.

[QUOTE=UberMensch;45383835]This shit really needs to stop. Hasn't anyone learned that there are no winners in war? [editline]14th July 2014[/editline] And of course, usually the only way to stop it is to go and fight someone. Makes perfect sense.[/QUOTE] Well every other nation has done all they can without sending men with guns in. What else is there left? Putin doesn't give a flying fuck at all. I imagine if he ever get's assassinated or just dies, his final words to the world will be his two middle fingers in the air.

[QUOTE=laserguided;45383428]Well they killed a Russian civilian in an area that is not the jurisdiction of the Ukrainian Army. It is a serious incident.[/QUOTE] It landed in Donetsk, an area that previously belonged to Ukraine, prior to all this separatism stuff. Saying it's "not the jurisdiction of the Ukrainian Army" a huge oversimplification about what's going on. edit: I should read more carefully. My bad.

[QUOTE=iFail;45383968]It landed in Donetsk, an area that previously belonged to Ukraine, prior to all this separatism stuff. Saying it's "not the jurisdiction of the Ukrainian Army" a huge oversimplification about what's going on.[/QUOTE] It landed in Donetsk, Russia.

[QUOTE=laserguided;45383987]It landed in Donetsk, Russia.[/QUOTE] What? Did I miss something? Donetsk is already belongs to us? Wow wow wow! What About London or New York then? I always wanted to visit these places, so please tell me I can go there without any customs problems now!

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donetsk,_Russia[/url]

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;45383946]Well every other nation has done all they can without sending men with guns in. What else is there left? Putin doesn't give a flying fuck at all. I imagine if he ever get's assassinated or just dies, his final words to the world will be his two middle fingers in the air.[/QUOTE] Tupac Putin: Fuck you all *dies*

[QUOTE=Explosions;45384260][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donetsk,_Russia[/url][/QUOTE] Oh wow, sorry then. I was always so weak at geography :(

Judging the topography and the national borders, it's hard to know how this would have happened. It could have been that the Ukrainian Army had been pursuing separatists south of Luhansk and it just so happened that one incorrectly aimed shell landed on Russian sovereign soil. Who knows, it might have been something set up by the rebels to somehow gain support from Russia through unilateral military action by deliberately targeting someone who lived close to the border.

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;45384833]They were probably trying to shell civilians in the other Donetsk but were too dumb to read a map properly.[/QUOTE] surprisingly likely

Somehow it smells like the history is repeating itself. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelling_of_Mainila[/url]

[QUOTE=cucumber;45383422]This kind of stuff tend to happen when you illegally occupy neighboring countries.[/QUOTE] good thing that's not happening

[QUOTE=Conscript;45386917]good thing that's not happening[/QUOTE] ????????????????????????????

[QUOTE=Conscript;45386917]good thing that's not happening[/QUOTE] What's is Crimea?

The only thing true in that statement is illegality. Otherwise, Crimean accession was not occupation, and the referendum was [url=http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/05/08/despite-concerns-about-governance-ukrainians-want-to-remain-one-country/]overwhelmingly supported and believed to be fair by Crimeans[/url]. Also, Crimea's accession has nothing to do with Maidan's oppression and razing of the East. It would've happened anyway. If you want to blame Russia for Kiev-instigated violence spreading outside its borders, you can blame it for being friendly to every Russian-speaker, I guess. Otherwise, everything has its roots in the february coup, not crimea's secession later.

I don't care what the Crimeans support. It wasn't their land to "accede." Nice dodge by the way. I didn't mention anything that the Kiev government has done, and I didn't say any of this violence is because of Crimea. It's a convenient red herring that you've thrown up every single time someone has called Russia out on their invasion.

[QUOTE=Conscript;45387081]The only thing true in that statement is illegality. Otherwise, Crimean accession was not occupation, and the referendum was [url=http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/05/08/despite-concerns-about-governance-ukrainians-want-to-remain-one-country/]overwhelmingly supported and believed to be fair by Crimeans[/url]. Also, Crimea's accession has nothing to do with Maidan's oppression and razing of the East. It would've happened anyway. If you want to blame Russia for Kiev-instigated violence spreading outside its borders, you can blame it for being friendly to every Russian-speaker, I guess. Otherwise, everything has its roots in the february coup, not crimea's secession later.[/QUOTE] 'February Coup' what.

[QUOTE=Explosions;45387265]I don't care what the Crimeans support. It wasn't their land to "accede." Nice dodge by the way. I didn't mention anything that the Kiev government has done, and I didn't say any of this violence is because of Crimea. It's a convenient red herring that you've thrown up every single time someone has called Russia out on their invasion.[/QUOTE] I don't know what this has to do with you, I originally wasn't replying to you. Are you blaming Russia and the separatists for Kiev's violence and excess in the East? Do you think Russia started all this with Crimea? If so, you don't know what you're talking about. Pretty simple. And of course it was. It belongs to them more than it does some Galician nazi that seized Kiev.