New evidence suggests 11 000 prisoners have been systematically killed by Syrian Government. - Polidicks

[quote="The guardian"][B]Evidence of 'industrial-scale killing' by Syria spurs call for war crimes charges [/B][B]Senior war crimes prosecutors say photographs and documents provide 'clear evidence' of systematic killing of 11,000 detainees [/B] Calls for Assad or other officials to face justice at the international criminal court in The Hague have foundered on the problem that Syria is not a member of the court. Syrian government officials could face war crimes charges in the light of a huge cache of evidence smuggled out of the country showing the "systematic killing" of about 11,000 detainees, according to three eminent international lawyers. The three, former prosecutors at the criminal tribunals for the former Yugoslavia and Sierra Leone, examined thousands of Syrian government photographs and files recording deaths in the custody of regime security forces from March 2011 to last August. [B]Most of the victims were young men and many corpses were emaciated, bloodstained and bore signs of torture. Some had no eyes; others showed signs of strangulation or electrocution.[/B] The UN and independent human rights groups have documented abuses by both Bashar Al-Assad's government and rebels, but experts say this evidence is more detailed and on a far larger scale than anything else that has yet emerged from the 34-month crisis. [B] Three experienced forensic science experts examined and authenticated samples of 55,000 digital images, comprising about 11,000 victims.[/B] [/quote] [URL]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/20/evidence-industrial-scale-killing-syria-war-crimes[/URL] A link to the full report is in the source. I'm at loss for words really.

Jesus Christ..

I can't even begin to imagine 11 thousand people just... no longer existing. That's fucking atrocious. If you assume they were all like 20 years old on average that's 220 thousand years of accumulated experience, memory, emotions... just wiped clean. Gone. Fuck Assad. Somebody really needs to wipe HIM from the face of this planet.

What an utterly unsurprising development.

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11,000 people they have [I]pictures of[/I] they probably killed much more [editline]21st January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;43613199]What an utterly unsurprising development.[/QUOTE] especially because of all those reports of thousands being 'disappeared' for years

Remember when people were calling Assad the good guy here? I do.

No side in this war has clean hands, as far as I am concerned, almost every side has war criminals that need to be put in prison or put to death for their atrocities against humanity.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43613343]No side in this war has clean hands, as far as I am concerned, almost every side has war criminals that need to be put in prison or put to death for their atrocities against humanity.[/QUOTE] some sides have committed a significantly higher amount of warcrimes, on greater scale and with greater top down support than others not that I would like to be pointing fingers here in my otherwise apologist post :downs:

[QUOTE=NoDachi;43613361]some sides have committed a significantly higher amount of warcrimes, on greater scale and with greater top down support than others not that I would like to be pointing fingers here in my otherwise apologist post :downs:[/QUOTE] Yeah, that's absolutely true. I still say the most innocent group in this is the citizens of Syria who have no hand in either side of the war, and the Kurds who have been getting attacked constantly.

[QUOTE='[sluggo];43613327']Remember when people were calling Assad the good guy here? I do.[/QUOTE] I dont think anyone said Assad is the good guy, as i remember it it was said that the rebels are very much murderers as Assad.

[QUOTE=Bucketboy;43613410]it was said that the rebels are very much murderers as Assad.[/QUOTE] except that was never true outside of RussiaToday.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;43613426]except that was never true outside of RussiaToday.[/QUOTE] Except for ISIS and affiliates which y'know is half the fucking rebel force.

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];43614028']Except for ISIS and affiliates which y'know is half the fucking rebel force.[/QUOTE] except not

[QUOTE=NoDachi;43614070]except not[/QUOTE] Is so, is not, is so, is not. Which one is it?

[QUOTE=RichyZ;43614273]its not assads forces (or at least, the ones that haven't deserted) have committed a shitton more warcrimes than the rebels[/QUOTE] If only the psychopaths and assholes are left then that's a disturbingly high amount of assholes and psychopaths left. I wonder if there are still any people who are actually just too afraid to defect left or everyone even relatively innocent has quit or been killed along with the opposition prisoners.

I did say Assad was the best choice out of bad choices, this sorta changes things a little bit but still. If Assad gets removed, there will be a new civil war between the rebel factions themself because they are basically held together by the fact that Assad is the bigger danger for them.

[QUOTE=Valiantttt;43616224]I did say Assad was the best choice out of bad choices, this sorta changes things a little bit but still. If Assad gets removed, there will be a new civil war between the rebel factions themself because they are basically held together by the fact that Assad is the bigger danger for them.[/QUOTE] There is. The rebels are fighting each other and Assad is not losing anything. They can't cooperate with a common enemy how can they run a country.

[QUOTE=Valiantttt;43616224]I did say Assad was the best choice out of bad choices, this sorta changes things a little bit but still. If Assad gets removed, there will be a new civil war between the rebel factions themself because they are basically held together by the fact that Assad is the bigger danger for them.[/QUOTE] I think they'll both agree that removing him would be worth it still.

This is just horrible... I also agree with what some of you have already said, both Assad and the resistance leaders will have to answer for their respective crimes.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;43614273]its not assads forces (or at least, the ones that haven't deserted) have committed a shitton more warcrimes than the rebels[/QUOTE] that is only because they have the upper hand ;) rebels would probably kill about the same amount if they had the resources to do so. This war is about eliminating as much of the other group for both sides, there are no winners, only losers in this war

'Calls for Assad or other officials to face justice at the international criminal court in The Hague have foundered on the problem that Syria is not a member of the court. ' i'm not huge on the idea of being punished by a law that you aren't actually an adherent to, but i don't really give a shit when that crime is murder

[QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;43616293]This is just horrible... I also agree with what some of you have already said, both Assad and the resistance leaders will have to answer for their respective crimes.[/QUOTE] Good luck with that. If you help a bunch of rebels then after the war arrest their leaders the war will spark off again this time against whoever is trying to punish them. If you leave the rebels to fight themselves they will either get beaten by Assad or spend the next decade fighting themselves and anybody near by. For it to be successful one sides crime must be over looked. Horrible as it may be, if you go in being all justice and freedom you will just meet resistance from both sides. For all those saying assad has done wrose than the rebels you are only getting part of the picture. I'll wager theres a fair amount more going on behind the scenes which the media/rebels/governments doesn't want us to hear about.

This is beyond fucked.

Isn't it terrible that we're making arguments on who's better based on who's done [I]less[/I] heinous acts of human rights violations then the other groups? I mean holy shit

[QUOTE=Major_Vice;43622694]Isn't it terrible that we're making arguments on who's better based on who's done [I]less[/I] heinous acts of human rights violations then the other groups? I mean holy shit[/QUOTE] Who was better. Nazi German, or United States during WW2?

[QUOTE=NoDachi;43622737]Who was better. Nazi German, or United States during WW2?[/QUOTE] That's a pretty far out comparison, a better one would be be the soviets or the nazis

[QUOTE=Johnny Guitar;43622850]That's a pretty far out comparison, a better one would be be the soviets or the nazis[/QUOTE] why? The United States deliberately committed some obscene travesties during WW2 [editline]21st January 2014[/editline] also [quote=BBC]There have been many reports and much evidence collected by human rights groups and international investigators alleging systematic torture and killings in Syrian government detention centres. But the latest report carries such allegations into a new dimension. The figure of [B]11,000 victims[/B] documented in the 55,000 photographs is [B]clearly just the tip of the iceberg[/B], representing the numbers in [B]one location only[/B], and with a large number of the images (27,000) taken by [B]one official photographer.[/B][/quote] Apparently the 11,000 was just one detention center.

20 years down the line when we know the full extent it's going to be absolutely fucking awful. War blows.

[QUOTE]Three experienced forensic science experts examined and authenticated samples of 55,000 digital images, comprising about 11,000 victims.[/QUOTE] What a fun job.