Snow has 'instruction manual' for how NSA is built
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[QUOTE]Edward Snowden has highly sensitive documents on how the National Security Agency is structured and operates that could harm the U.S. government, but has insisted that they not be made public, a journalist close to the NSA leaker said.
Glenn Greenwald, a columnist with the Guardian newspaper who first reported on the intelligence leaks, told The Associated Press that disclosure of the information in the documents "would allow somebody who read them to know exactly how the NSA does what it does, which would in turn allow them to evade that surveillance or replicate it."
He said the "literally thousands of documents" taken by Snowden constitute "basically the instruction manual for how the NSA is built."
"In order to take documents with him that proved that what he was saying was true he had to take ones that included very sensitive, detailed blueprints of how the NSA does what they do," the journalist said Sunday in a Rio de Janeiro hotel room.
He said the interview was taking place about four hours after his last interaction with Snowden.
Greenwald said he believes the disclosure of the information in the documents would not prove harmful to Americans or their national security, but that Snowden has insisted they not be made public.
"I think it would be harmful to the U.S. government, as they perceive their own interests, if the details of those programs were revealed," he said.
He has previously said the documents have been encrypted to help ensure their safekeeping.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/07/15/snowden-nsa-blueprints.html[/url]
I hope he melts it.
Paranoia about even viewing these threads now.
Man the NSA fucked up bad when they let one guy have access to just about everything.
Now I'm rather curious. What a tease!
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;41482775]Man the NSA fucked up bad when they let one guy have access to just about everything.[/QUOTE]
I'm gonna be honest, this shit can't possibly be true, an intelligence agency will know about compartmentalisation.
I'm curious how they know what he has and what he doesn't have.
[QUOTE=bravehat;41482820]I'm gonna be honest, this shit can't possibly be true, an intelligence agency will know about compartmentalisation.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but with computer networks...
I wanna read them :)
He's getting closer to an authorized drone strike.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;41482872]Yeah but with computer networks...[/QUOTE]
Yeah and you really think the NSA is dumb enough to have all their shit in a folder named "DANGEROUS STATE SECRETS - DO NOT READ!!!!" on the desktop of a computer plugged into the internet?
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;41482775]Man the NSA fucked up bad when they let one guy have access to just about everything.[/QUOTE]
He basically hacked the system to give himself full administrator access and bypass all the safeguards on data access. There are protocols in place to compartmentalize information but he went around them.
[QUOTE=sYnced;41482913]He's getting closer to an authorized drone strike.[/QUOTE]
No matter how stupid America gets, they'll never drone strike a public airport in a major country like Russia, or any part of a country like Russia for that matter.
[QUOTE=catbarf;41482949]He basically hacked the system to give himself full administrator access and bypass all the safeguards on data access. There are protocols in place to compartmentalize information but he went around them.[/QUOTE]
Do you have a source on this? During the interview between him and The Guardian, it seemed like he had legitimate access to the information.
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[B]Snowden:[/B] "When you're in positions of privileged access like a systems administrator for the sort of intelligence community agencies, you're exposed to a lot more information on a broader scale then the average employee and because of that you see things that may be disturbing but over the course of a normal person's career you'd only see one or two of these instances.[noparse][...]"[/noparse]
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[B]Snowden:[/B] "Oh absolutely. Anyone in the positions of access with the technical capabilities that I had could suck out secrets[noparse][...]"[/noparse][/quote]
[URL="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2013/jun/09/nsa-whistleblower-edward-snowden-interview-video"]Interview[/URL]
[URL="http://www.policymic.com/articles/47355/edward-snowden-interview-transcript-full-text-read-the-guardian-s-entire-interview-with-the-man-who-leaked-prism"]Transcript[/URL]
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[QUOTE=sYnced;41482913]He's getting closer to an authorized drone strike.[/QUOTE]
Haha yeah man, totally!
[QUOTE=deadeye536;41483117]Do you have a source on this? During the interview between him and The Guardian, it seemed like he had legitimate access to the information.[/QUOTE]
As one article said:
[quote]Officials said they still don’t know how Snowden got access to an order marked “Top Secret” from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, or a highly-classified directive from President Obama authorizing a military target list for cyber attacks. Neither document would be widely shared, or normally available to a low-level NSA employee.
A larger number of NSA employees and contractors might have access to a PowerPoint slide show on PRISM, which uses online data from nine U.S. Internet and technology companies. Snowden said he provided the slides to the Washington Post and The Guardian.
“There is a certain level of information that is not specific to a mission, but helps people who work there understand how the place functions,” the former NSA operator said.[/quote]
Basically he had stuff he shouldn't so the only way he could gain access was to bypass the security in place.
[QUOTE=sYnced;41482913]He's getting closer to an authorized drone strike.[/QUOTE]
If they made Snowden a martyr, there'd be a major international outcry, at least by the people that understand that what the NSA is doing is wrong. The media would likely paint it as the death of a dangerous terrorist, but that would just outrage the protestors even more.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;41483248]If they made Snowden a martyr, there'd be a major international outcry, at least by the people that understand that what the NSA is doing is wrong. The media would likely paint it as the death of a dangerous terrorist, but that would just outrage the protestors even more.[/QUOTE]
Snowden only started working for an NSA contractor with the intention on stealing as much information has he could to leak it. He didn't care about any of it; he just wanted to leak it.
He's a traitor.
[QUOTE=sYnced;41482913]He's getting closer to an authorized drone strike.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure that'll work out well in countries like Russia
He should release it.
Remember that insurance file archive Assange supposedly had-has-whatever?
Yeah. Don't get your hopes up, haha.
[QUOTE=Melnek;41483470]He should release it.[/QUOTE]
No, he shouldn't. It would absolutely shatter his image with the public, since knowingly releasing information that could directly damage the USA would make him very hated. We don't need the Taliban to know how the NSA operates, not a good thing for them to know that.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;41483248]If they made Snowden a martyr, there'd be a major international outcry, at least by the people that understand that what the NSA is doing is wrong. The media would likely paint it as the death of a dangerous terrorist, but that would just outrage the protestors even more.[/QUOTE]
And then nothing would happen.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;41482775]Man the NSA fucked up bad when they let one guy have access to just about everything.[/QUOTE]
Even more interesting if you consider how young Snowden actually is.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;41483282]Snowden only started working for an NSA contractor with the intention on stealing as much information has he could to leak it. He didn't care about any of it; he just wanted to leak it.
He's a traitor.[/QUOTE]
[quote][b]Snowden:[/b] I joined the intelligence community when I was very young. Sort of the government as a whole. I enlisted in the army shortly after the invasion of Iraq, and I believed in the goodness of what we were doing, and I believed in the nobility of our intentions to free oppressed people overseas. But over time, over the length of my career, as I watched the news, and I was increasingly exposed to [i]true[/i] information that had not been propagandized in the media, that we were actually involved in misleading the public, and misleading all publics, not just the American public in order to create a certain mindset in the global consciousness. And I was actually a victim of that. America is a fundamentally good country. We have good people with good values who want to do the right thing, but the structures of power that exist are working to their own ends to extend their capability at the expense of the freedom of all publics.[/quote]
Just a relevant excerpt I transcribed from The Guardian's [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2013/jul/08/edward-snowden-video-interview]Snowden Interview Part 2[/url].
[editline]16th July 2013[/editline]
I'm referencing his interviews a lot, but there is no better source to figure out what his true intentions actually were.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;41483282]Snowden only started working for an NSA contractor with the intention on stealing as much information has he could to leak it. He didn't care about any of it; he just wanted to leak it.
He's a traitor.[/QUOTE]
Lol, he exposes all the nasty shit your country is doing behind your back, and you call him a traitor? I think you're confused.
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;41482894]I wanna read them :)[/QUOTE]
sent ;)
[QUOTE=bravehat;41482918]Yeah and you really think the NSA is dumb enough to have all their shit in a folder named "DANGEROUS STATE SECRETS - DO NOT READ!!!!" on the desktop of a computer plugged into the internet?[/QUOTE]
This is the same government that thought it was a good idea to have a bunch of computers and hardware parts physically destroyed because they had [url="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1287102"]malware[/url] on them.
[QUOTE=Aetna;41484509]Lol, he exposes all the nasty shit your country is doing behind your back, and you call him a traitor? I think you're confused.[/QUOTE]
He's still a traitor to the country, even if what he did has improved what the citizens know of their government (most people still don't seem to give a shit). You can do good things and still be a traitor to someone.
I have a theory about this type of leak.
In the old days, most major leaks of info came from intelligence or the military. These are organizations where the members are working for national defense. Therefore, it's no surprise that the spies were usually doing it for money, not ideological reasons.
In today's tech oriented world though, it's radically different. IT people did not acquire their skills working for national defense. They do not get hired out of national defense related occupations. They are not given security clearances earned from national defense related work.
In short, IT workers have no particular allegiance to any ideology beyond what any other citizen might have. They are not from a culture of "us vs them", if anything they are from a culture of "information wants to be free".
So this is going to be a long term problem. I think the solution is for the national defense organizations to create a kind of Information Corps, model it on ROTC or something like that, and 'draft' talented young people into it. This is where these people will get their skillset and training PLUS indoctrination to a nationalist mindset, pro US InfoWarriors.
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