House votes on replacement for "No Child Left Behind"
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[QUOTE]WASHINGTON (AP) - House Republicans voted Friday to dismantle the troubled No Child Left Behind law for evaluating America's students and schools, saying states and local school districts rather than Washington should be setting rules for ensuring that kids are getting good educations.
The legislation would eliminate federally required testing of students, which has been controversial from the start. But the measure passed with no Democratic support and drew a veto threat from the Obama administration, which said it would be a "step backward" in efforts to better prepare children for colleges and careers and to bring improvements to low-performing schools.
Democrats in the Senate, where they hold the majority, are working on their own bill. It would also give states greater flexibility in designing school improvement standards. But it would maintain the authority of the federal education secretary to approve those plans. A Senate vote on that legislation is unlikely until autumn.
The House bill, which Republicans named the Student Success Act and Democrats dubbed the Letting Students Down Act, passed 221-207, with every Democrat, and 12 Republicans voting against it.[/QUOTE]
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No Child Left Behind was a broke ass law, I feel like there is more to this for every single democrat to vote against it.
NCLB is shit. It's helped make education a lowest-common-denominator system, which is -not- what it should be. Needs to be replaced, along with a majority of the US education system.
Trust me, some students in my graduating class deserved to be left behind a year or two
I did an entire presentation on this fucked up program for my poly sci class two years ago. There's just so much wrong with this thing it's unbelievable.
Yes, NCLB is complete and total shit, because it was passed by George Dubya. However, Republicans obviously do not have their hearts in the right place, and this is more about letting states off the hook for education standards so they can dismantle and privatize their school systems.
Lets leave them behind
NCLB has physically strapped down and buttfucked my entire schooling experience. It used no lubrication, no protection, and has thus far been unrelenting.
I've wasted years of my life bending to the "standards" that have been set for American School children. Quite frankly, it's the biggest pile of bullshit I've ever had the displeasure of being buttfucked by.
This comic displays the fallacy nicely.
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I think NCLB had the right idea, but terrible execution.
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[QUOTE=LoganIsAwesome;41537656]Fucking good, so many kids in my grade shouldn't even be in my school.
Yet one of the many reasons why the district I go to has to be constantly given grants and government funding.[/QUOTE]
i don't think you understand what no child left behind does
[QUOTE=supersnail11;41537712]i don't think you understand what no child left behind does[/QUOTE]
I do.
I was being a dumbass, never mind.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;41537416]Yes, NCLB is complete and total shit, because it was passed by George Dubya. However, Republicans obviously do not have their hearts in the right place, and this is more about letting states off the hook for education standards so they can dismantle and privatize their school systems.[/QUOTE]
And also because the measure will lower federal education spending
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;41537416]Yes, NCLB is complete and total shit, because it was passed by George Dubya. However, Republicans obviously do not have their hearts in the right place, and this is more about letting states off the hook for education standards so they can dismantle and privatize their school systems.[/QUOTE]
The logic behind privatizing the school system isn't just to cut federal spending, it's to combat one of the major issues with public schooling; it's free, and people are required to attend it. When you force people to go to it, you run into the issue of students and teachers not valuing their education, since they are not left with any alternatives to learning (and while they can pursue self-taught activities, school consumes a very large portion of their time).
When the school is free, that also degrades the incentive to make the schools of the best quality. If you give people a shitty education, then they can refuse to give you their money and find another school. That would lead to them going out of business if they did a bad enough job, which means that the burden would be put on the teachers to actually try hard at it. When the government pretty much guarantees a steady source of income to the public school regardless of how they do their job (NCLB is easy to game anyways), then they won't care whether they're teaching effectively.
Of course, here we run into the problem of how not everyone would have the money to pay for it. While that's a valid concern, internet is cheap, and pretty much everyone has it. There was a TED talk a while back of how you could get a MIT-level education for a few thousand dollars, because colleges are starting to post their lectures online for free. Also, if the entire school system was privatized, then the private schools would no longer have to compete with a free education, and schools would be more likely to shift their prices down to be able to appeal to the middle-lower class people who are suddenly looking for somewhere to get an education.
[QUOTE=halofreak472;41538437]The logic behind privatizing the school system isn't just to cut federal spending, it's to combat one of the major issues with public schooling; it's free, and people are required to attend it. When you force people to go to it, you run into the issue of students and teachers not valuing their education, since they are not left with any alternatives to learning (and while they can pursue self-taught activities, school consumes a very large portion of their time).
When the school is free, that also degrades the incentive to make the schools of the best quality. If you give people a shitty education, then they can refuse to give you their money and find another school. That would lead to them going out of business if they did a bad enough job, which means that the burden would be put on the teachers to actually try hard at it. When the government pretty much guarantees a steady source of income to the public school regardless of how they do their job (NCLB is easy to game anyways), then they won't care whether they're teaching effectively.
Of course, here we run into the problem of how not everyone would have the money to pay for it. While that's a valid concern, internet is cheap, and pretty much everyone has it. There was a TED talk a while back of how you could get a MIT-level education for a few thousand dollars, because colleges are starting to post their lectures online for free. Also, if the entire school system was privatized, then the private schools would no longer have to compete with a free education, and schools would be more likely to shift their prices down to be able to appeal to the middle-lower class people who are suddenly looking for somewhere to get an education.[/QUOTE]
I want to invoke a slippery slope effect but this could end very poorly for poor families who can't afford it.
can someone explain NCLB to me like i'm 5?
[QUOTE=Aspen;41538452]can someone explain NCLB to me like i'm 5?[/QUOTE]
From what I understand (and I'm just an ignorant foreigner), it attempts to ensure all student pass by lowering the bar.
Make everything easier to stop the "stupid" kids failing.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;41538469]From what I understand (and I'm just an ignorant foreigner), it attempts to ensure all student pass by lowering the bar.
Make everything easier to stop the "stupid" kids failing.[/QUOTE]
If a percentage of children fail the standardized tests the funding to the school is cut.
It's a scare tactic to force schools into focusing entirely on test taking and nothing else.
[QUOTE=Aspen;41538452]can someone explain NCLB to me like i'm 5?[/QUOTE]
The worst thing to happen to our education system in the history of ever, and one of the major reasons Americans are stereotyped as mentally disabled.
Now eat your dinner, son.
[QUOTE=lavacano;41538616]The worst thing to happen to our education system in the history of ever, and one of the major reasons Americans are stereotyped as mentally disabled.
Now eat your dinner, son.[/QUOTE]
thanks, dad!
Man I wish this happened [b]BEFORE I WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL[/b] and not a year not I graduated.
[QUOTE=Tomthetechy;41540133]Every child left behind.[/QUOTE]
Will someone think of the children?
I love how I pretty much started school as this law came into effect, and then I graduate high school and now they're about to get rid of it
Thank [I]God.[/I] The No Child Left Behind Act was the absolute worst thing to come of the Bush administration. An entire generation of children was forced to endure substandard schooling from teachers too bounded by beaureucracy to actually teach, and thus too restricted to care. I shudder to think of how many kids who could have gone on to do great things were stunted by this abysmal piece of legislation.
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