Russia will begin Moon colonization in 2030 - draft space program - Polidicks

[url]http://rt.com/news/157800-russia-moon-colonization-plan/[/url] [IMG]http://cdn.rt.com/files/news/26/86/80/00/20.si.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]“We are going to the Moon forever,” the Russian Deputy PM said in April, and it was not just empty words. It appears Russia does plan to colonize the Moon by 2030 and the first stage of the ambitious project may start as soon as two years from now. That is according to a leaked draft document that Izvestia newspaper claims to have obtained. It was prepared by the Russian Academy of Sciences, the Roscosmos federal space agency, Moscow State University and a number of space research institutes. “Moon is a space object of the future reclamation by Earth civilization, and in XXI century there might be a geopolitical competition for lunar natural resources,” the authors of the draft project state in the opening line. This is why it is important to focus on creating an arsenal of necessary means in advance, they stress. “The Moon is not an intermediate point in the race,” Russia’s Deputy PM Dmitry Rogozin who is in charge of space and defence industries said back in April. “This process has the beginning, but has no end. We are going to the moon forever.” The Concept of Russian Lunar Program, as it is titled according to the paper, outlines a three-step plan toward manning the moon. The first stage is planned to start in 2016 and last until 2025. This is when Russia, should everything go well, will send four automated rovers to the moon Luna-25, Luna-26, Luna-27 and Luna-28. As the document states, earlier Soviet and American lunar expeditions established that the Moon contains aluminum, iron, titan, and many other useful elements. Scientist think it will be possible to mine some of the Moon's natural resources for terrestrial use. The first lunar bases will be built in the vicinity of moon's poles, authors assume, because they are the areas of tangential lighting which means the polar mountains will be the “areas of continuous lighting” while the plains will be in shadow. The task of the first stage of the Russian Moon program would be to conduct tests into the physical and chemical properties of lunar polar regolith and water content as well as to scope out the South Pole in order to find the best mineral rich spot for a future deployment of a lunar base.[/QUOTE]

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The first thing that sprang to mind; I wish a more progressive nation would colonize, but the Russians tend to try things first so there's that.

Cool, but I wonder how they will tackle meteorites

I didn't know there were Russian minorities on the moon.

Maybe they should concentrate on having a recent successful space launch first.

We're gonna live under a red moon, bro.

Hasn't China been talking about Mars stuff too? Those Communist and ex-Communists are pretty inspired to start and win the second space race. I guess it's kind of hard to lose whenever everyone else isn't participating.

If NASA's funding suddenly increases with a mandate to hit both the moon and mars, we know that a second cold war is kicking off.

[QUOTE=Craigewan;44762125]If NASA's funding suddenly increases with a mandate to hit both the moon and mars, we know that a second cold war is kicking off.[/QUOTE] It would be sad if it took something like this to de-stagnate the space program, just to compete with Russia.

Colonization of the moon would be cool, though Imagine looking up and seeing civilization on another world

I imagine this'll cause some issues between nations considering no one really owns the moon

[QUOTE=PredGD;44762157]I imagine this'll cause some issues between nations considering no one really owns the moon[/QUOTE] If no one really owns it, how can anyone complain when somebody decides to start colonizing it?

[QUOTE=anis;44762164]If no one really owns it, how can anyone complain when somebody decides to start colonizing it?[/QUOTE] I'm sure not everyone would be happy with Russia taking the moon, and I bet Russia aren't the only ones hoping to colonize the moon one day

[QUOTE=anis;44762164]If no one really owns it, how can anyone complain when somebody decides to start colonizing it?[/QUOTE] The UN agreed that no one owns it, is the thing. It's meant to be neutral territory. Of course, nobody involved in Space Launches actually signed it, but..

[QUOTE=Craigewan;44762184]They've agreed that no one owns it, is the thing. It's meant to be neutral territory.[/QUOTE] I mean, landing there and building stuff on it doesn't necessarily mean you own it. Ownership is a strange concept when we're taking about a whole moon or planet.

I imagine that, in a situation where there were multiple space agencies with the capabilities to setup 'moon bases', the colonization would largely play out like it did with North America. We'll either settle together based on treaties or agreements and then have our own slices of the land. We aren't allowed to build weapons in space, and I don't believe countries are allowed to exclusively claim heavenly bodies as their own. So I guess a better analogy might be what Antarctica is now with science bases from all different countries there.

[QUOTE=anis;44762149]It would be sad if it took something like this to de-stagnate the space program, just to compete with Russia.[/QUOTE] Blame the UN for being a bunch of fun-killers. Fucking making the Orion Program so hard to get started with their silly peace treaties... :suicide: Going to Mars, yes would be an achievement, but would be utterly pointless without the capability to turn it into a mining base.

Nobody owns shit. Go take, do, whatever. [b]Just remember to not steal from, rape, anguish, kill, or otherwise harm your brother, [/b][highlight]OR PREPARE TO BE STRICKEN BY THE MIGHTY HAND OF GOD[/highlight] :v: [editline]9th May 2014[/editline] And I never said sister :v::v::v:

can't wait for increased NASA funding due to scary commies invading our American moon

[QUOTE=anis;44762149]It would be sad if it took something like this to de-stagnate the space program, just to compete with Russia.[/QUOTE] Maybe if we said there was oil on the moon they'd give NASA a budget for WMD hunting.

[QUOTE=General J;44762206]can't wait for increased NASA funding due to scary commies invading our American moon[/QUOTE] [img]http://s21.postimg.org/tcax66n6f/Full_Murican_Moon.png[/img] ..too soon?

21st century space race lets do this shit motherfuckers

So instead of fighting for land on earth we go for space. Good. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("ban evasion alt" - Orkel))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=spectator2;44762260]So instead of fighting for land on earth we go for space. Good.[/QUOTE] Actually bad. Warfare in and for space is going to be far more destructive than warfare on Earth. Lets just say that "rods of god" would be put to use, and the second any war starts over a colony on the Moon or Mars, said colony could be atomized.

[QUOTE=Banned?;44762091]Maybe they should concentrate on having a recent successful space launch first.[/QUOTE] Maye you should concentrate on knowing what you are talking about? Russia has been doing a lot of things wrong lately, but rocket launches are not one of them.

Would be interesting to see what they come up with for long term colonisation. because there are a million and one ways this could go horribly wrong.

[QUOTE=_Maverick_;44762281]Would be interesting to see what they come up with for long term colonisation. because there are a million and one ways this could go horribly wrong.[/QUOTE] Kim Jong Un has a fat manchild baby, names it Kim Jong Dos (formally KJII), and its gravity is strong enough to fling shit at the moon. Million-and-two: check.

[QUOTE=Banned?;44762091]Maybe they should concentrate on having a recent successful space launch first.[/QUOTE]The Soyuz launch vehicles are among the world's most reliable. [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_(rocket)[/URL] 28/30 successful. [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz-2_(rocket)[/URL] 30/32 successful. [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz-L[/URL] 3/3 successful. [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz-FG[/URL] 46/46 successful. (Launches with ISS bound spacecraft mostly) [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz-M[/URL] 8/8 successful. [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molniya-M[/URL] 276/297 successful. [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz-U[/URL] 724/745 successful. [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz-U2[/URL] ~60/~90 successful. Just look at this list of recent Soyuz launches if you doubt they haven't been successful recently: [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_R-7_launches_(2010-2014)[/URL] [editline]pls[/editline] Which adds up to about 1175/1250 successful launches (94% rate) of the Soyuz family of rockets.

Well fuck. Given how little Russia cares about treaties here on Earth, I don't see them giving a shit about things like the Moon treaty or the Outer Space treaty (tl;dr: don't install weapons in space or claim celestial bodies to yourself). I am honestly a bit worried here.