NRA files lawsuit over ban on assault weapons in Mass.
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[QUOTE]The Massachusetts affiliate of the National Rifle Association on Monday sued Governor Charlie Baker and Attorney General Maura Healey, contending the state’s ban on assault weapons is unlawful and should be declared “void and unenforceable.”
In a 33-page civil complaint filed in federal court in Boston, the Gun Owners’ Action League, along with several other plaintiffs, asserts the state’s definition of assault weapons is a “non-technical, entirely fabricated, and political term of uncertain definition and scope.”[/QUOTE]
[url]https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/01/23/mass-chapter-nra-targets-state-assault-weapons-ban-federal-lawsuit-against-healey/IX7YTBuknWbWxM7BFDJ8LO/story.html[/url]
and here's a source to a more pro-gun website
[url]https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2017/01/24/nra-files-lawsuit-absurd-massachusetts-assault-weapons-ban/[/url]
A much as I don't particularly like the NRA, I think it's a good thing that these feel-good political definitions and subsequent regulations are finally getting challenged.
I'm reminded of my great-aunt's story from when she was living in Arizona. They passed an assault weapon ban by stating what specific features of a weapon were not allowed.
By the end of it, the only weapon she owned that was still legal was... her AR-15. :v:
[QUOTE=Boaraes;51728051][url]https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/01/23/mass-chapter-nra-targets-state-assault-weapons-ban-federal-lawsuit-against-healey/IX7YTBuknWbWxM7BFDJ8LO/story.html[/url]
and here's a source to a more pro-gun website
[url]https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2017/01/24/nra-files-lawsuit-absurd-massachusetts-assault-weapons-ban/[/url]
A much as I don't particularly like the NRA, I think it's a good thing that these feel-good political definitions and subsequent regulations are finally getting challenged.[/QUOTE]
Why dont you like the NRA? They defend peoples right to have arms, they teach safety, and educate people.
Good. Horseshit like this does nothing, and people like Healey and Feinstein should not be allowed to pass legislation when they don't understand anything. NRA is probably gonna try to get this elevated to SC status so that all AWB's can be ruled unconstitutional, which might save states like Cali and CT.
[QUOTE=MR-X;51728120]Why dont you like the NRA? They defend peoples right to have arms, they teach safety, and educate people.[/QUOTE]
Because they frequently lie and misinform people on purpose.
[QUOTE=MR-X;51728120]Why dont you like the NRA? They defend peoples right to have arms, they teach safety, and educate people.[/QUOTE]
They tend to overreach into non-gun territory and have opinions that I don't necessarily agree with. But, at the end of the day, they're practically the largest and most effective bastion of gun rights.
[QUOTE=MR-X;51728120]Why dont you like the NRA? They defend peoples right to have arms, they teach safety, and educate people.[/QUOTE]
Because they're corporate puppets for gun manufacturers. There are good people in the organization who do those good things, but as a whole they're a lobbyist group that gun manufacturers use to manipulate congress.
Yes! Hopefully this will set the pace for California, New York and more.
These feel-good laws do nothing to reduce crime but they do unnecessarily restrict gun features and annoy lawful gun owners.
Not generally a fan of trump or republicans but this is very good.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;51728171]Because they're corporate puppets for gun manufacturers. There are good people in the organization who do those good things, but as a whole they're a lobbyist group that gun manufacturers use to manipulate congress.[/QUOTE]
Whose largely funded by members, not the manufacturers. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of the NRA either, but the wants of the manufacturers is usually the same as their members.
Good, we need to focus on actual solutions instead of feel good measures that do jack.
[QUOTE=MR-X;51728120]Why dont you like the NRA? They defend peoples right to have arms, they teach safety, and educate people.[/QUOTE]
They primarily defend gun manufacturer's profits (they supported a bill granting them immunity to liability from [I]manufacturing defects[/I] - ie. a gun could blow up in your face because it was made wrong, and you couldn't sue the manufacturer), and much of their education is more like advertising than actual education, particularly the stuff aimed at kids. They've also taken care to carve legislative exceptions for American-made guns - look how little they fought import bans, for instance.
If you're a pro-gun person, the NRA might be an ally but they are not your friend. They represent your interests only so far as they want you to be able to buy their major donor's products.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;51728239](they supported a bill granting them immunity to liability from [I]manufacturing defects[/I] - ie. a gun could blow up in your face because it was made wrong, and you couldn't sue the manufacturer)[/QUOTE]
Source on this? Because this just sounds like misinterpreting that one bill that prevents people suing gun companies when people get shot.
Burn all Assault Weapon Bans, burn the NFA, make a new ATF with congressional oversight, and make a new Militia Act which accommodates for modern inventions, as well as the bureaucratic nightmare of Unorganized and Organized militias.
[editline]26th January 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;51728073]I'm reminded of my great-aunt's story from when she was living in Arizona. They passed an assault weapon ban by stating what specific features of a weapon were not allowed.
By the end of it, the only weapon she owned that was still legal was... her AR-15. :v:[/QUOTE]
Arizona??? Arizona's one of the most gun happy states in the union. You sure she wasn't talking 'bout Cali?
[QUOTE=MR-X;51728120]Why dont you like the NRA? They defend peoples right to have arms, they teach safety, and educate people.[/QUOTE]
They're a little too radical for my liking, personally. I also disagreed vehemently with their choice to support Trump during the election.
They're better than letting the likes of Feinstein run roughshod over the 2nd Amendment, though.
Most of my friends live in Massachusetts, and this is not just another Assault Weapons Ban (AWB). Not only are assault weapons banned, but now anything which the state government considers to be a "copycat assault weapon" is also banned.
In practice this means that even if weapons are configured in a way which adheres to the old AWB, it doesn't matter and they will still be banned arbitrarily if the state government doesn't like them.
For example, any AR15 or AK variant of rifle is banned even if it is literally featureless (no bayonet lugs, no pistol girps, etc...) and has 5 round magazines attached. Basically what I'm trying to say is, [B]weapons are now banned for being specifically designed to comply with the law[/B]. :suicide:
The only two semi-automatic rifle platforms I can think of at the moment which are specifically exempted by the ban are the Ruger mini 14 and the Springfield M1A (both with 5 round magazines only), without any modifications.
In effect, this basically eliminates the vast majority of semi-automatic rifles including some which are used for hunting. It's literally worse than California, Chicago, and Connecticut. In fact it's so bad that off duty police officers are saying they're afraid to bring any of their personally owned guns to a shooting range, because they aren't entirely sure of which firearms the new enforcement notice will effect as pretty much ANY semi-automatic rifle could be arbitrarily labeled as an assault weapon now.
Speaking of which, did I forget to mention that the new ban isn't even really on the books? [B]It's a fucking "enforcement notice"[/B] issued by the state's Attorney General. It's a blatant attack on civil liberties and everything about this should be illegal.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;51728444]They're a little too radical for my liking, personally. I also disagreed vehemently with their choice to support Trump during the election.
They're better than letting the likes of Feinstein run roughshod over the 2nd Amendment, though.[/QUOTE]
Legitimate question, in what way do you consider the NRA to be radical? I haven't seen them advocating for anything really major like bringing back machine guns or getting rid of the NFA altogether. Mostly so far i thought they were just stonewalling any efforts on creating a federal database on who owns firearms? That and trying to pass the hearing protection act.
[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;51731523]
Legitimate question, in what way do you consider the NRA to be radical? I haven't seen them advocating for anything really major like bringing back machine guns or getting rid of the NFA altogether. Mostly so far i thought they were just stonewalling any efforts on creating a federal database on who owns firearms? That and trying to pass the hearing protection act.[/QUOTE]
I'm not a big fan of their blind endorsements as well as lobbying efforts outside of firearms. They're also not 100% in tune with their members, adding the more asinine bits to the GCA of 68' as well as being one of the prime supporters of the GCA 86'. They were also mostly complacent for the 93' executive order over firearms from China as well as the 94' awb
[QUOTE=MR-X;51728120]Why dont you like the NRA? They defend peoples right to have arms, they teach safety, and educate people.[/QUOTE]
The NRA doesnt defend tour right to own a gun, they defend the manufacturers rights to sell you a gun. Theyre not fighting for you and me bud, theyre fighting for corporations proffits.
[editline]26th January 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;51731640]I'm not a big fan of their blind endorsements as well as lobbying efforts outside of firearms. They're also not 100% in tune with their members, adding the more asinine bits to the GCA of 68' as well as being one of the prime supporters of the GCA 86'. They were also mostly complacent for the 93' executive order over firearms from China as well as the 94' awb[/QUOTE]
They also werent too noisy about banning Russian import rifles and ammo after the Crimea got invaded, or when 7n6 was banned from import.
[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;51731523]Legitimate question, in what way do you consider the NRA to be radical? I haven't seen them advocating for anything really major like bringing back machine guns or getting rid of the NFA altogether. Mostly so far i thought they were just stonewalling any efforts on creating a federal database on who owns firearms? That and trying to pass the hearing protection act.[/QUOTE]
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have the machine-gun registry reopened, or better yet, a modification/repeal of the NFA.
I dislike the way they do business. They're far too partisan for my liking, and they rely too heavily on divisive, fear-mongering rhetoric. That kind of crap hurts us in the long-run, and only lends credence to the rhetoric against us.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51731645]The NRA doesnt defend tour right to own a gun, they defend the manufacturers rights to sell you a gun. Theyre not fighting for you and me bud, theyre fighting for corporations proffits.
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Can you tell me how those two things don't essentially go hand in hand, like how netflix and consumers are both fighting against ISP data caps for different reasons?
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;51731694]Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have the machine-gun registry reopened, or better yet, a modification/repeal of the NFA.
I dislike the way they do business. They're far too partisan for my liking, and they rely too heavily on divisive, fear-mongering rhetoric. That kind of crap hurts us in the long-run, and only lends credence to the rhetoric against us.[/QUOTE]
Ah, yeah that pretty much sounds like them. Thanks for clearing that up.
Hopefully we can repeal the SAFE Act here in NY next.
Hopefully they'll do the same in Maryland, soon. I havent paid much attention to whats changed since 2013 when our own "assault weapons" ban was passed, but last I checked the restrictions were still retarded. The only way to buy any new AK variant was to have it be a pistol, meaning shortend barrel and stock. Luckily you can still buy AR-15's pretty easily, but they have to either be a pistol or have a heavy barrel.
Stupid shit.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;51731725]Can you tell me how those two things don't essentially go hand in hand, like how netflix and consumers are both fighting against ISP data caps for different reasons?[/QUOTE]
From what other people have posted, sounds like their main priority is to protect American firearms manufacturers. And if that means American citizens are prevented from owning imported firearms, hell, all the better for them and their now government enforced monopoly.
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