Military options are 'inevitable if North Korea continues' - Polidicks

[quote]Washington (CNN)When asked about the US government's strategy on handling North Korea, GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham suggested Tuesday using military options to halt threats from the country. "There is a military option to destroy North Korea's (missile) program and North Korea itself," Graham said on NBC's "Today" show. "If there's going to be a war to stop them, it will be over there. If thousands die, they're going to die over there, they're not going to die here and (President Donald Trump) told me that to my face." He continued: "I'm saying (military options are) inevitable if North Korea continues."[/quote] [url]http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/01/politics/lindsey-graham-north-korea-donald-trump-white-house/index.html[/url] Looks like there's a storm coming.

[QUOTE]"There is a military option to destroy North Korea's (missile) program and North Korea itself," Graham said on NBC's "Today" show. "If there's going to be a war to stop them, it will be over there. If thousands die, they're going to die over there, they're not going to die here and (President Donald Trump) told me that to my face."[/QUOTE] Oh christ. A war under Donald fucking Trump. This is [I]not[/I] going to end well. Are there any other "military options" besides war? Espionage??

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52528828]Oh christ. A war under Donald fucking Trump. This is [I]not[/I] going to end well. Are there any other "military options" besides war? Espionage??[/QUOTE] Throw a bunch of ships near their sea borders and blow training targets up

North Korea cannot be stopped peacefully. There's only shit options and the longer we wait the shittier they get.

I've firmly been in the "we need to stop North Korea sooner rather than later" camp for a long time now, so on the one hand I'm kind of relieved this is finally happening. On the other hand why did it have to be with [I]this guy[/I] in charge?

Last thing America needs is another war. We're already wasting trillions of dollars on seven other interventions while the public continues to suffer.

[QUOTE=BelatedGamer;52528859]I've firmly been in the "we need to stop North Korea sooner rather than later" camp for a long time now, so on the one hand I'm kind of relieved this is finally happening. On the other hand why did it have to be with [I]this guy[/I] in charge?[/QUOTE] Yeah, I'm not one for inciting wars and shit - but it seems like the longer we wait, the bigger the war will be.

If you want to invade NK then the US must reach compromise with Russia and mainly with China.Anyway,those sanctions that you impose on their regime are inneffective since they can get what they want from China,Russia and other Asian countries.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52528828]Oh christ. A war under Donald fucking Trump. This is [I]not[/I] going to end well. Are there any other "military options" besides war? Espionage??[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter if you don't like the guy, giving them four (or eight :v:) more years to advance nuclear or conventional weapons in their arsenal is unacceptable. Expecting, or wanting the DoD to wait it out at this point is incredibly unrealistic.

[QUOTE=evilweazel;52528915]It doesn't matter if you don't like the guy, giving them four (or eight :v:) more years to advance nuclear or conventional weapons in their arsenal is unacceptable. Expecting, or wanting the DoD to wait it out at this point is incredibly unrealistic.[/QUOTE] I'm not against a war in North Korea [I][B]if the post-war process is done correctly and the damage to human lives is minimialised.[/B][/I] But I don't really have confidence in America doing that. Especially not with Trump at the helm.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52528828]Oh christ. A war under Donald fucking Trump. This is [I]not[/I] going to end well.[/QUOTE] Maybe this'll be the straw that breaks the camel's back? If the war somehow goes poorly (laugh if you will, stranger things have happened) and/or is messily resolved, it won't exactly do wonders for Trump's already abysmal approval rating.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52528921]I'm not against a war in North Korea [I][B]if the post-war process is done correctly and the damage to human lives is minimialised.[/B][/I] But I don't really have confidence in America doing that. Especially not with Trump at the helm.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't be the first time we knocked over and rebuilt a country, the knowledge is there. There isn't really an alternative at this point, and with their relations to China beginning to fall out, it's probably the best chance we'll get. I don't think a modern day rebuilding of a nation would be something Trump has a huge level of control over, optimistically. Hopefully it comes down to generals and rights advocates.

[QUOTE=ironman17;52528928]Maybe this'll be the straw that breaks the camel's back? If the war somehow goes poorly (laugh if you will, stranger things have happened), it won't exactly do wonders for Trump's already abysmal approval rating.[/QUOTE] i feel like there's much more important things at stake in this situation than trumps approval rating

[QUOTE=ironman17;52528928]Maybe this'll be the straw that breaks the camel's back? If the war somehow goes poorly (laugh if you will, stranger things have happened), it won't exactly do wonders for Trump's already abysmal approval rating.[/QUOTE] Depends on what you mean poorly. I would be a hell of a lot more concerned about the post war situation. I have little confidence in America and the international community in general handling that correctly, considering what's happened to Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc. etc.

This is incredibly sensationalist. No shit that military options are on the table, it's almost as if that's a common thing in foreign policy regarding belligerent nations. It's hot air over the Norks, whose only available defense is the detonation of a nuclear weapon , which would immediately bring an end to their physical existence.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52528921]I'm not against a war in North Korea [I][B]if the post-war process is done correctly and the damage to human lives is minimialised.[/B][/I] But I don't really have confidence in America doing that. Especially not with Trump at the helm.[/QUOTE] Meanwhile, China would take it as a blatant act of aggression since, like the Russians, the last thing the Chinese want is a united and western-aligned Korea on their border. Imagine how disastrously Trump would handle [i]that[/i].

[QUOTE=evilweazel;52528937]Wouldn't be the first time we knocked over and rebuilt a country, the knowledge is there. There isn't really an alternative at this point, and with their relations to China beginning to fall out, it's probably the best chance we'll get.[/QUOTE] When was the last time you really rebuilt a country? Because what's happened in countries like Iraq, Afganistan and Libya doesn't seem like a 'rebuilding' at all, and unless I'm missing something the last time the United States truly 'rebuilt' countries was Japan and Germany.

I'm not defending NK as a precious innocent little cinnamon bun, but anyone else worried Trump will start shit to distract from Russia? The man ran for President to save himself from civil lawsuits, I could buy him starting a war to distract from a treason charge.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52528944]This is incredibly sensationalist. No shit that military options are on the table, it's almost as if that's a common thing in foreign policy regarding belligerent nations. It's hot air over the Norks, whose only available defense is the detonation of a nuclear weapon , which would immediately bring an end to their physical existence.[/QUOTE] Then what else can be done when North Korea has demonstrated that they are willing to engage in extremely hostile actions that are as close to war as you can get?

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52528921]I'm not against a war in North Korea [I][B]if the post-war process is done correctly and the damage to human lives is minimialised.[/B][/I] But I don't really have confidence in America doing that. Especially not with Trump at the helm.[/QUOTE] Yeah exactly. Who's going to be responsible for the millions of refugees a war would cause? Who's going to handle the long and complicated process of democratizing the country? Trump is just going to carpet bomb the place and say job well done. China and Russia would also not be cool with US intervention, to put it lightly. It would be a disastrous move on par with Iraq.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52528941]Depends on what you mean poorly. I would be a hell of a lot more concerned about the post war situation. I have little confidence in America and the international community in general handling that correctly, considering what's happened to Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc. etc.[/QUOTE] I added "if it's messily resolved" as well. Which, considering the "rebuilding efforts" in the Middle East, is pretty likely even with South Korea pitching in.

That being said, I don't think this person is qualified to make a statement like that. I mean seriously. Coming out and saying that may have actual repercussions, but at least a [I]GOP senator[/I] scored some points on the [I]Today Show.[/I]

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52528952]When was the last time you really rebuilt a country? Because what's happened in countries like Iraq, Afganistan and Libya doesn't seem like a 'rebuilding' at all, and unless I'm missing something the last time the United States truly 'rebuilt' countries was Japan and Germany.[/QUOTE] Japan, Germany, like you said are the big two. Really weren't that long ago, what we learned (and what we learned not to do) are still relevant. The middle east is full of huge blunders, but as I said, the knowledge on how to avoid that and how to do it right is still there. Hell, just having the Norks as a nation that isn't rife with religious sectarian viloence and the associated tribalism makes it closer to denazification and the like than occupation of a region that has been intent on destroying itself since the first draft of thr bible was written. Trump being in complete control of it would be concerning, but I don't think thats the way it'd go down.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52528828]Oh christ. A war under Donald fucking Trump. This is [I]not[/I] going to end well. Are there any other "military options" besides war? Espionage??[/QUOTE] That's what we keep doing. When the missiles crash, it's often because the CIA crashed them [editline]1st August 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=evilweazel;52528985]Japan, Germany, like you said are the big two. Really weren't that long ago, what we learned (and what we learned not to do) are still relevant. The middle east is full of huge blunders, but as I said, the knowledge on how to avoid that and how to do it right is still there. Hell, just having the Norks as a nation that isn't rife with religious sectarian viloence and the associated tribalism makes it closer to denazification and the like than occupation of a region that has been intent on destroying itself since the first draft of thr bible was written. Trump being in complete control of it would be concerning, but I don't think thats the way it'd go down.[/QUOTE] South Korea as well. We built South Korea

[QUOTE=proboardslol;52528993]That's what we keep doing. When the missiles crash, it's often because the CIA crashed them [editline]1st August 2017[/editline] South Korea as well. We built South Korea[/QUOTE] I made an edit somewherw saying it wouldn't be the first time we built up a korea well, but it looks like it didn't go through.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52528828]Oh christ. A war under Donald fucking Trump. This is [I]not[/I] going to end well. Are there any other "military options" besides war? Espionage??[/QUOTE] North Korea is too locked up to have successful espionage get into it. The only other option I see available is to get China to forcefully clamp down on North Korea, maybe threaten a joint invasion with the US to get them to calm down, but I find that unlikely without a staunch anti-Chinese POTUS let alone with the Orange Cheeto-in-Chief.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52528828]Oh christ. A war under Donald fucking Trump. This is [I]not[/I] going to end well. Are there any other "military options" besides war? Espionage??[/QUOTE] as hard as it is, their nuclear program is operating out of an active nuclear reactor so you have to capture it to shut it down properly. in a better world though, china and russia would work with us in the UN security council to bring about a solution to north korea but that doesn't seem likely

[QUOTE=evilweazel;52528985]Japan, Germany, like you said are the big two. Really weren't that long ago, what we learned (and what we learned not to do) are still relevant. The middle east is full of huge blunders, but as I said, the knowledge on how to avoid that and how to do it right is still there. Hell, just having the Norks as a nation that isn't rife with religious sectarian viloence and the associated tribalism makes it closer to denazification and the like than occupation of a region that has been intent on destroying itself since the first draft of thr bible was written. Trump being in complete control of it would be concerning, but I don't think thats the way it'd go down.[/QUOTE] Right, I did forget South Korea... somewhat. Besides the fact that for [I]many years[/I] it was an extremely brutal and repressive dictatorship, and [I]not[/I] a democracy. [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Chung-hee"]See here.[/URL] As well as that, nearly 60 years I would count as a very long time, especially when those lessons weren't applied afterwards.

Do you know the political ans civil fallout that could occur if you overthrow the NK regime? They'd be forced to assimilate in the South Korean world at an overly accelerated pace. An economic disaster waiting to happen too.

[QUOTE=Kagu;52529109]Do you know the political ans civil fallout that could occur if you overthrow the NK regime? They'd be forced to assimilate in the South Korean world at an overly accelerated pace. An economic disaster waiting to happen too.[/QUOTE] Yeah lets just stick our heads in the sand and do nothing while an oppressive regime starves, abuses and inslaves tens of millions of people.