Survey: Europeans back Muslim veil ban, Americans oppose - Polidicks

[url]http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/survey-europeans-back-muslim-veil-ban-americans-oppose-1.301088[/url] [quote=Haaretz]While most Americans oppose banning face-covering Islamic veils, most western Europeans questioned in a new global poll say the garments should be forbidden - especially in France, where a ban may soon be a reality. Several European countries have been considering bans on such veils, with special attention on France, home to Western Europe's largest Muslim community and a strongly secular government. The lower house of France's parliament is expected to approve a divisive bill Tuesday that would make it illegal to wear full-face veils in public. The government says such veils oppress women. Only a small minority of French Muslim women wear veils such as the niqab or burqa, and many French Muslims fear a ban would stigmatize the whole Islamic community. A survey by the Pew Global Attitudes Project found that an overwhelming 82 percent of French respondents support a ban. The poll found 71 percent support in Germany, 62 percent in Britain and 59 percent in Spain. In the United States, 28 percent of those questioned said they would approve a ban. The pollsters questioned more than 4,000 people by telephone in the five countries as part of a larger poll on global attitudes conducted in April and May. The margin of error was plus or minus 4 or 5 percentage points for the countries asked about the veil. The study was released Thursday. In the United States and Europe, respondents to the poll who were over 55 were more likely to support a ban than those aged 18 to 34. Those on the political right were more likely to support a ban than those on the left, except in Spain. The pollsters said there was no variation along gender lines in any of the five countries and little variation depending on income and education levels . The French government's proposed veil ban is widely expected to become law after Tuesday's lower house vote and a vote in the Senate in September. The government has insisted that the bill is not about religion but has called it a way to promote equality between the sexes, to protect oppressed women or to ensure security in public places. While the proposed legislation is colloquially referred to as the anti-burqa law, it is officially called the bill to forbid covering one's face in public. Part of the bill is aimed at husbands and fathers who impose such veils on female family members. Citing security reasons, Belgium's lower house has enacted a ban on the face-covering veil, though it must be ratified by the upper chamber. Calling them an affront to human dignity, Spain's government has said it favors barring the use of burqas in government buildings. Germany's interior minister, however, has said he sees no need for a debate on whether to ban full-body veils in Germany.[/quote] Only 28% of Americans would agree with the ban.

We're actually far more tolerant then many realize.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;23275557]We're actually far more tolerant then many realize.[/QUOTE] We're just stereotyped.

I'm happy with us Europeans, it only we understand what Muslims do to our continent..

[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;23275698]I'm happy with us Europeans, it only we understand what Muslims do to our continent..[/QUOTE] you're an asshole/idiot what are Muslims doing to you [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - TH89))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=JDK721;23275720]you're an asshole/idiot what are Muslims doing to you[/QUOTE] Overtaking.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;23275557]We're actually far more tolerant then many realize.[/QUOTE] america is more tolerant towards muslims than europe is even though there are a lot of islamaphobes due to 9/11

[QUOTE=JDK721;23275720]you're an asshole/idiot what are Muslims doing to you[/QUOTE] Oh, just shitting our whole continent. Leave Europe European. You can have your America filled with Muslims if you, just not in Europe please. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Racism" - TH89))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Stopper;23275734]Overtaking.[/QUOTE] how are they overtaking europe [editline]11:30AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Crhem van der B;23275740]Oh, just shitting our whole continent. Leave Europe European. You can have your America filled with Muslims if you, just not in Europe please.[/QUOTE] you're a racist

[QUOTE=JDK721;23275745]how are they overtaking europe[/QUOTE] Some cities in some countries are completely filled with Muslims (Mostly Turks), in some countries there are more mosques than churches, stuff like that. I'm just pointing it out.

I don't want to ban veils/full body burqa, because I don't believe in banning what people can wear on their own free will. The issue I have is the number of women who wear them because they are forced to, not because they find them stylish. The arguments that they're unhealthy are irrelevant. You don't see a ban on wearing winter jackets in the summer.

[QUOTE=JDK721;23275745] you're a racist[/QUOTE] Muslims aren't a race

Is this comparison supposed to show a differing level of liberty in America than in Europe? Either way the laws been voted in through democracy.

There are far too many casual racists in Europe.

[QUOTE=NotMeh;23275803]Muslims aren't a race[/QUOTE] This is exactly why we need the ZING! rating back.

[QUOTE=JDK721;23275745]how are they overtaking europe [editline]11:30AM[/editline] you're a racist[/QUOTE] Why do you think I care? I'm just saying my opinion, you can say whatever you want, won't change me.

[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;23275740]Oh, just shitting our whole continent. Leave Europe European. You can have your America filled with Muslims if you, just not in Europe please.[/QUOTE] You're a fucking racist. (He's talking about Middle-Eastern people, not just Muslims, he's just not intellectually inclined enough to realize all the people in the East aren't Muslims.) How 'bout people like you get the fuck out Europe?

[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;23275740]Oh, just shitting our whole continent. Leave Europe European. You can have your America filled with Muslims if you, just not in Europe please.[/QUOTE] You're an Islamophobe.

[QUOTE=Kingy_who;23275822]There are far too many casual racists in Europe.[/QUOTE] Europe has quite a few cultures and languages, but no one wants theirs to be mixed with others.

[QUOTE=NotMeh;23275803]Muslims aren't a race[/QUOTE] okay, if you want to get technical then he's a islamaphobe/bigot/asshole

[QUOTE=Stopper;23275778]Some cities in some countries are completely filled with Muslims (Mostly Turks), in some countries there are more mosques than churches, stuff like that. I'm just pointing it out.[/QUOTE] You should visit Dubai one day.

Muslims don't bug me much. If it wasn't for the muslims I wouldn't know how to making a hiking veil with an overshirt or how to steam my face when I have an out break of acne! Edit: Too not look like an idiot... Yes. I'm talking about turbans and face veils.

[QUOTE=Sickle;23275870]You're a fucking racist. (He's talking about Middle-Eastern people, not just Muslims, he's just not intellectually inclined enough to realize all the people in the East aren't Muslims.) How 'bout people like you get the fuck out Europe?[/QUOTE] If 70% of the people in a country doesn't want muslims there, should muslims come to the country or not?

[QUOTE=NotMeh;23275803]Muslims aren't a race[/QUOTE] They are when the person thinks all Muslims are arabs (which obviously isn't the case) Normally when dumb people make sweeping statements like "Muslims are taking over the world", what they really mean is arabs are taking over the world. Their religion doesn't really factor into it much, but rather the race associated with that religion. When was the last time you saw a person with an issue against "Muslims" take offence to the Qur'an? They don't - they take offence against the primary race

Haha, oh god, you must love political correctness... Oh no, I'm called a racist and islamophobe! Why the hell should I care? I mean, I never was politically correct and never will, again, leave Europe European.

[QUOTE=Canned Induvidual;23275950]If 70% of the people in a country doesn't want muslims there, should muslims come to the country or not?[/QUOTE] Sorry, we don't have mob rule and for a good reason.

[QUOTE=Mr. Gestapo;23275969]They are when the person thinks all Muslims are arabs (which obviously isn't the case) Normally when dumb people make sweeping statements like "Muslims are taking over the world", what they really mean is arabs are taking over the world. Their religion doesn't really factor into it much, but rather the race associated with that religion. When was the last time you saw a person with an issue against "Muslims" take offence to the Qur'an? They don't - they take offence against the primary race[/QUOTE] What do you mean? Quite a few people are against Islam, and thus those who follow it, because of the shit in their holy book.

[QUOTE=Sickle;23275870]You're a fucking racist. (He's talking about Middle-Eastern people, not just Muslims, he's just not intellectually inclined enough to realize all the people in the East aren't Muslims.) How 'bout people like you get the fuck out Europe?[/QUOTE] Obviously he's not the one who needs to get out if he's in the majority of people who support the ban. It's funny how every time someone questions islamic traditions someone immediately has to pull out the race card (lol at muslims being a race there are white and black muslims and other races). The fact is the western world and the middle east world are two totally different things. Women being forced to wear a veil absolutely is an issue of sexism and it has no place in the western world. Middle eastern countries can enforce sexism if they want to, but europe is not the middle east. In before frothing at the mouth e-rage calling me a bigot.

Don't ban clothing, Ban religious practices that deny others basic human rights, or violate the law.

[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;23275981]Haha, oh god, you must love political correctness... Oh no, I'm called a racist and islamophobe! Why the hell should I care? I mean, I never was politically correct and never will, again, leave Europe European.[/QUOTE] Hmmm, with that sort of mentality maybe then all the Jews who migrated to Israel should pack their bags and leave the middle-east "Arabic"?