Swearing toddler in 'thug' video taken into protective custody
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A Nebraska toddler who repeated a slew of profanities in an online video has been taken into child protective custody, Omaha police said Wednesday.
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In the video, the diapered child is bombarded with obscenities and racial slurs by the adults around him.
The African-American toddler knocks down a chair and gives nearly as good as he gets, responding to some of the comments with an upraised middle finger and telling one of the adults at one point, "Shut up, bitch." The adults laugh and prompt him to repeat other crudities.
Just another day on the Internet -- until the police union in Omaha, Nebraska, posted the clip on its website to highlight what it called the "cycle of violence and thuggery" the community faces.
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Source: [url]http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/08/us/nebraska-swearing-toddler/index.html?hpt=hp_inthenews[/url]
The big issues seem to be was it right for the Omaha police to post the video on their Facebook and was it right for the child to be taken by protective custody?
[sp]I would like to say as a disclaimer that I'm doing this cause of some university class bullshit, and any opinions I express in subsequent posts may not necessarily reflect my actual opinions[/sp]
As much as i find it rather appaling; a child that age being surrounded by foul mouthed adults isn't a good reason to take it into protective custody. The only reason i could see in the article as to why it was taken into protective custody was "because its immoral" I dont like it, but bad language isn't child abuse.
It baffles me that "bad language" is actually a thing. Why is for example fuck a bad word and needs censoring while something like sex does not? The whole concept of bad words is stupid.
[QUOTE=crazymonkay;43477375]I would like to say as a disclaimer that I'm doing this cause of some university class bullshit, and any opinions I express in subsequent posts may not necessarily reflect my actual opinions[/QUOTE]
but this is the internet
[editline]9th January 2014[/editline]
It was right to have the child taken into custody and post the video on their facebook page.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;43477505]It baffles me that "bad language" is actually a thing. Why is for example fuck a bad word and needs censoring while something like sex does not? The whole concept of bad words is stupid.[/QUOTE]
bad words aren't about the words themselves but the actual "hidden" meaning of them, how they impact the speaker and the listener. If people started using the word say, "lipstick" as a bad word, eventually the actual meaning of the word would diminish next to the meaning people gave it.
Whats more traumatic for a child. Some swear words or being taken away from your parents.
I don't think the words themselves are as bad so much as swearing at a toddler to teach him to swear for your own amusement like it's a Furby.
[editline]9th January 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=itisjuly;43477505]It baffles me that "bad language" is actually a thing. Why is for example fuck a bad word and needs censoring while something like sex does not? The whole concept of bad words is stupid.[/QUOTE]If bad words weren't offensive, there'd be no reason to use them.
Its not the words that matter, its why they're said.
There may have been more going on than we know about as well.
Profanities arent really mean to insult or cause offense IMO, more often to express anger, frustration, etc. The insult comes from someone expressing how they feel about someone, not the word itself. The words are just a means to a end.
parenting fail
This doesn't seem to be just about the words but the whole environment.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;43477505]It baffles me that "bad language" is actually a thing. Why is for example fuck a bad word and needs censoring while something like sex does not? The whole concept of bad words is stupid.[/QUOTE][video=youtube;Dd7dQh8u4Hc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd7dQh8u4Hc[/video]
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;43477485]As much as i find it rather appaling; a child that age being surrounded by foul mouthed adults isn't a good reason to take it into protective custody. The only reason i could see in the article as to why it was taken into protective custody was "because its immoral" I dont like it, but bad language isn't child abuse.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much sums up my opinion on this. It's shocking, but not a valid reason to be taken away. Plus, as Mudbone implied, taking a child away from their parents is probably more traumatic than what these parents were doing.
[QUOTE=bunguer;43477772]This doesn't seem to be just about the words but the whole environment.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, they threw in a couple of gang references in there too which was pretty shocking as well.
One thing I think about though is that, while from the outside looking in all this seems horrible and scandalous, this is probably regular, everyday life in some areas. Is it wrong to raise a child to be accustomed to the kind of environment they're going grow up in?
Surely there's gotta be more behind this? I can't imagine they took away four children due to this video alone. Usually when this happens the social services has a backlog of stuff to go on.
I'm sure if you accidentally knock down a chair and suddenly you get yelled at and laughed at by adults that it would make you pretty upset.
i wonder what kind of character, attitude, and outlook the kid will have later in life
[QUOTE=Sluggbuck 99;43478652]i wonder what kind of character, attitude, and outlook the kid will have later in life[/QUOTE]
This is really why the child was taken away. I like how some people in this thread are ignorant of this or they actively ignore it to make it seem silly. This kid will have serious problems in school and society if he continues on this path.
[quote]"That is why when we talk about the culture, the criminal culture, that this is to try to break the cycle and deal with the culture of violence and the culture of gang activity," he said.[/quote]
why do I have a feeling that if it was a video of a white kid swearing the police wouldn't have used it as an opportunity to talk about "a culture of violence and thuggery"
That's beyond pathetic.
My parents swore around me when I was little, I'm going to swear in front of mine when I have kids. "Bad words" is a stupid fucking concept.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;43477505]It baffles me that "bad language" is actually a thing. Why is for example fuck a bad word and needs censoring while something like sex does not? The whole concept of bad words is stupid.[/QUOTE]
words have meaning. if there's no bad language then there's no normal language, there's no formal language, and language ceases to have meaning. bad language isn't a concept that's been invented by the state to censor your ability to express yourself or something, it's just a natural biproduct of language
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;43484946]"Bad words" is a stupid fucking concept.[/QUOTE]
then why did you just put "fucking" in the middle of that sentence? you're disproving your own idea while you type. incredible
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;43484969]then why did you just put "fucking" in the middle of that sentence? you're disproving your own idea while you type. incredible[/QUOTE]
because it's an amplifier, or atleast in this case it was used as one
i don't really think there is such a thing as a "bad word", all words can be used in many different ways, some words have a lot of negative ways they can be used, but that doesn't mean saying them is inherently negative.
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;43484969]then why did you just put "fucking" in the middle of that sentence? you're disproving your own idea while you type. incredible[/QUOTE]
[I]That fucking was the fucking point you fucking fuck[/I]
Swearing adds strength to a sentence if you're trying to be serious (especially if you're tired of someones shit), and it adds casuality to a sentence if you're being casual.
Examples:
"Grow the fuck up" is a serious context when you're tired of someones shit.
"Wow, this cake is fucking delicious" is in a casual context and is even complimenting by making the "swear" an amplifier of the word "delicious".
it's an amplifier [I]because it's a 'bad' word[/I]. how is that not blindingly obvious to you?
if you replace "fucking" with anything that is more socially acceptable it loses its entire meaning... because it's a 'bad' word. you can't amplify if you're ned flanders. i find it kind of baffling that you're trying to explain what an amplifier is to me without understand where it comes from
[editline]10th January 2014[/editline]
note that 'bad' is in inverted commas because nothing is inherently wrong with the words, but the only reason you can use amplifiers in the way that you do is because they are currently viewed as 'bad' - they aren't acceptable in all social situations and this is why they are amplifying
if there were no such thing as bad language then we wouldn't have anything to adequately convey our feelings
[editline]10th January[/editline]
you guys tend to like George Carlin right? well imagine if everything he said was 100% socially acceptable because no words were sufficiently controversial enough for him to say anything. you need that controversial meaning or else you can't properly emote when you want to.
[QUOTE=Mudbone;43477637]Whats more traumatic for a child. Some swear words or being taken away from your parents.[/QUOTE]
From the sounds of it, its not just foul language. You are presenting a weakened arguement. The kid knocked over a chair while acting confrontational, if an adult did that to police they would be restrained or arrested.
If kept in that environment the kid would grow up with violent tendencies with little consideration for others (possibly a sociopath)
Sure I'm extrapolating but it is definately more than just a kid swearing, what the police are doing might well be saving that kid from a life of crime. Yes I'm associating crime with violence, swearing and a lack of respect.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;43481886]why do I have a feeling that if it was a video of a white kid swearing the police wouldn't have used it as an opportunity to talk about "a culture of violence and thuggery"[/QUOTE]
There is a very huge gang culture within the African American community, I dont see why its wrong to address that.
another example of the generation of hurt feelings as work here well fucking done idiots
[QUOTE=murple;43485744]another example of the generation of hurt feelings as work here well fucking done idiots[/QUOTE]
Are you for real?
A kid swearing and acting violently in school will get expelled pretty fast, from there, in most cases, its all down hill. Moving away from those shit parents is best for the kid.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;43485036][I]That fucking was the fucking point you fucking fuck[/I]
Swearing adds strength to a sentence if you're trying to be serious (especially if you're tired of someones shit), and it adds casuality to a sentence if you're being casual.
Examples:
"Grow the fuck up" is a serious context when you're tired of someones shit.
"Wow, this cake is fucking delicious" is in a casual context and is even complimenting by making the "swear" an amplifier of the word "delicious".[/QUOTE]
You should probably learn to express yourself with a larger range of words.
[QUOTE=whatthe;43485847]You should probably learn to express yourself with a larger range of words.[/QUOTE]
yea for real, that fucking motherfucker needs to fucking educate him fucking self
[editline]10th January 2014[/editline]
wait hold on
I'm more worried of the drive by's and firearms case then a kid swearing,when he's not understanding what he's saying probably.
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