7 people dead in Jabaliya strike after Israel told residents safe to return north
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[quote]Seven Palestinians were killed in an Israeli airstrike on their home in the northern Gaza Strip on Sunday, a day after Israel said it was safe for residents of the north to return home.
Health ministry spokesman Ashraf al-Qidra said in a statement that an Israeli airstrike that targeted a house killed seven people in Jabaliya.
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[url]http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=717928[/url]
[editline]4th August 2014[/editline]
I cannot imagine how it must be to be in these peoples' shoes.
get told to go to X, X gets blown up
Shelter in X, tell IDF you're sheltering in X (17 times), X gets blown up
Get told to return to X, X gets blown up
Stay in X, X gets blown up and its your fault for dying.
I think it's pretty clear that Israel isn't out to slow or pause, or even stop Hamas any more. I think their only message here is "We are going to kill, and kill, and kill until no Palestinian ever dares resist or oppose us ever again." This is a genocide that will continue until either the UN physically intervenes, which it will not; Hamas completely surrenders and disbands, which it will not; all Palestinians are dead; or Israel simply decides to stop.
[B]Maan News is not an acceptable news source[/B], as we have already gone over. It's a sensationalist organization which strictly produces anti-Israel clickbait, and is generally a shoddy source to use.
To prove my point, let me pull up the website's "highlights":
- Israel confirms firing near UNRWA school, US condemns attack
- Children of Gaza face struggle to conquer war trauma
- UN fury over new deadly strike on Gaza school
- UN: Gaza public health system 'on the verge of collapse'
- Israeli missile kills one of two identical Gaza twins born during war
[i]There are currently no other sources reporting on this issue[/i] without using Ma'an news as an initial source. To use something like Ma'an news which has already been established as an incredibly biased and false source is simply lying. You know that the source is entirely bullshit, we've proven it in various other threads, but you continue to post "news" from it because it supports your political views.
[QUOTE=Monkah;45585584]
To prove my point, let me pull up the website's "highlights":
- Israel confirms firing near UNRWA school, US condemns attack
- Children of Gaza face struggle to conquer war trauma
- UN fury over new deadly strike on Gaza school
- UN: Gaza public health system 'on the verge of collapse'
- Israeli missile kills one of two identical Gaza twins born during war
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All of that happened and is happening right now, screw you and your attempts to discredit a news source that brings IDF war-crimes to light you apologist.
[QUOTE=Lamar;45585608]All of that happened and is happening right now, screw you and your attempts to discredit a news source that brings IDF war-crimes to light [B]you apologist.[/B][/QUOTE]
Holy crap did you actually say this
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;45585668]Holy crap did you actually say this[/QUOTE]
All he does is defend IDF war-crimes by attempting to rationalize them or dismissing them all together.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;45585668]Holy crap did you actually say this[/QUOTE]
It's funny because Monkah has called people Hamas apologists in the past.
thread's off to a great start eh
[QUOTE=Monkah;45585584]
To prove my point, let me pull up the website's "highlights":
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Top News:
Israeli media: Soldier shot by militants, moderately injured
Israeli media: Soldier injured as mortar shell hits Eshkol
Palestinian delegation en route to Cairo for ceasefire talks
Dozens of Palestinians killed by Israeli forces in Rafah overnight
Rocket sirens heard in Tel Aviv
Obama: New truce `very hard` if no confidence in Hamas
Iraq says more than 1,600 killed in July
Rocket hits occupied Golan Heights without sirens
Kerry announces 72-hour ceasefire in Gaza
White House: Little doubt Israeli fire in Gaza school strike
11 Palestinians killed, 45 injured in airstrike on Gaza home
Report: Gaza rockets intercepted above Tel Aviv
Report: Gaza rocket hits house in southern Israel
Code Red Sirens over Kerem Shalom
US restocks Israel with ammunition
HRW says Syria govt air strikes defy UN resolution
Code Red Sirens in Rishon Lezion, Shfela, and Ashkelon
Palestinian killed by Israeli attack on eastern Rafah
Injuries after airstrike on motorbike in Khirbet al-Adas in Rafah
Rocket sirens heard throughout central Israel
Sisi says Egypt truce plan `real chance` to end Gaza clashes
IS fighters seize oilfields in clashes with Iraq Kurds
8 Lebanon soldiers killed in Syria border area clashes
to be honest that's surprisingly objective for a palestinian news source.
[QUOTE=Monkah;45585584][B]Maan News is not an acceptable news source[/B], as we have already gone over. It's a sensationalist organization which strictly produces anti-Israel clickbait, and is generally a shoddy source to use.
To prove my point, let me pull up the website's "highlights":
- Israel confirms firing near UNRWA school, US condemns attack
- Children of Gaza face struggle to conquer war trauma
- UN fury over new deadly strike on Gaza school
- UN: Gaza public health system 'on the verge of collapse'
- Israeli missile kills one of two identical Gaza twins born during war
[i]There are currently no other sources reporting on this issue[/i] without using Ma'an news as an initial source. To use something like Ma'an news which has already been established as an incredibly biased and false source is simply lying. You know that the source is entirely bullshit, we've proven it in various other threads, but you continue to post "news" from it because it supports your political views.[/QUOTE]
Man shut up already for the love of Christ, no source is reliable as long as it does not agree with YOUR POINT OF VIEW.
If you love Israhell so much then God damn side with Satanyahu and fight with him, move from America to Israel.
only like 60 something Israelis have been killed thusfar, right?
most of them were military too, if I recall.
[QUOTE=katbug;45587817]only like 60 something Israelis have been killed thusfar, right?
most of them were military too, if I recall.[/QUOTE]
According to some news sites it was like 3-5 civilians from Israeli side. Rest of them were military.
[QUOTE=-Sleepy-*;45587886]According to some news sites it was like 3-5 civilians from Israeli side. Rest of them were military.[/QUOTE]
Two Israeli and one Thai citizen or something like that last I checked. So a majority of their loss is military. Which whilst tragic are considerable as acceptable losses as they are active combatants.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;45585668]Holy crap did you actually say this[/QUOTE]
Not gonna lie, Lamar is right. The dude does nothing but try and protect Israel in his mind :v:
Monkah is a hardcore [URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-23695896"]fan[/URL] of Israel.
Ma'an news is based in the West Bank so no shit it's going to report what is happening in Gaza and the West Bank. it's not going to report about North Korea or Australia when shit is happening in Gaza and West Bank.
While I defend the reason to dismantle Hamas and destroy the tunnels, whose funds could have been used for purposes other than terrorising their neighboring land for internet points, I certainly see that the operation has questionable and disgusting aspects behind it; Like the kidnappings and how the responses were handled, and the disabling of infrastructure in the strip. Yes, war is war and people are dying I am aware of this reality, but I also see that a choice here has been clearly made to inflict some terror back. I just hope that one day Israel will have leadership with a mindset capable of making level-headed decisions other than support illegal action, such as constructing settlements because of childish, greedy reasons.
I think I've said a few wrong things here and there but feel free to correct me. There are just my thoughts on the current situation as a resident of one side.
[QUOTE=Lamar;45585680]All he does is defend IDF war-crimes by attempting to rationalize them or dismissing them all together.[/QUOTE]
And what are you doing? In the battle of wrong versus right, good versus evil, no-one is right. Hamas has it's reasons to continue with what it's doing, Israel has it's reasons to continue what it's doing.
Who is wrong? Who is right? What is legitimate?
[QUOTE=Seith;45588669]And what are you doing? In the battle of wrong versus right, good versus evil, no-one is right. Hamas has it's reasons to continue with what it's doing, Israel has it's reasons to continue what it's doing.
Who is wrong? Who is right? What is legitimate?[/QUOTE]
Let's hear what you believe Isreal should be doing, moving forward. Do you think Israel deserves no ramifications for whats happened, even if they do have the 'right'? I'm interested to hear
Israel should first be left alone to do what is necessary to reclaim the peace in it's area. It's not even about that;
I don't care about ramifications. Everybody is speaking about war-crimes when they should in fact talk about how to get of Hamas, which is the one causing mayhem. People should talk about reality, about solutions and no look for blame. If some one finally takes the fall, does it mean we have a solution? will it solve the ever lasting Palestinian-Israeli problem?
I find it hypocritical to even critic Israel when obviously America failed in clearing Iraq and now cannot take responsibility and finish the job. Israel is nothing but a scapegoat, that's why it's so important for human rights organizations, to you, to pass this on. To know you can at least finish something.
This is something way bigger, this a statement made by the sole contestant which is Israel. Israel will not answer to terror, a statement long forgotten by the american who were the first to ever claim it so blatantly.
In the end, if anyone wants Israel to answer for it's crimes, it's fine with me. But remember, you don't just blame the one driving drunk, you blame the passenger next to him for letting him drive drunk.
Everyone should take responsibility, not just Israel. Israel is a chess-piece of something way bigger.
[QUOTE=Lamar;45585536]I cannot imagine how it must be to be in these peoples' shoes.
get told to go to X, X gets blown up
Shelter in X, tell IDF you're sheltering in X (17 times), X gets blown up
Get told to return to X, X gets blown up
Stay in X, X gets blown up and its your fault for dying.[/QUOTE]
I'm getting more convinced that this is all some IDF psyops to deliberately terrorize the Palestinians.
[editline]4th August 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Seith;45588894]Israel should first be left alone to do what is necessary to reclaim the peace in it's area. It's not even about that;
I don't care about ramifications. Everybody is speaking about war-crimes when they should in fact talk about how to get of Hamas, which is the one causing mayhem. People should talk about reality, about solutions and no look for blame. If some one finally takes the fall, does it mean we have a solution? will it solve the ever lasting Palestinian-Israeli problem?
I find it hypocritical to even critic Israel when obviously America failed in clearing Iraq and now cannot take responsibility and finish the job. Israel is nothing but a scapegoat, that's why it's so important for human rights organizations, to you, to pass this on. To know you can at least finish something.
This is something way bigger, this a statement made by the sole contestant which is Israel. Israel will not answer to terror, a statement long forgotten by the american who were the first to ever claim it so blatantly.
In the end, if anyone wants Israel to answer for it's crimes, it's fine with me. But remember, you don't just blame the one driving drunk, you blame the passenger next to him for letting him drive drunk.
Everyone should take responsibility, not just Israel. Israel is a chess-piece of something way bigger.[/QUOTE]
Israel is a terrible country that gives terrible organisations like Hamas reasons to exist.
When someone puts a gun to your head it's still your fault for ratting out your friends. Hamas only exists because the people allowed it. Hamas took over forcefully in 07. It's a terror organization, there were no democratic elections.
Piss off.
[QUOTE=Seith;45589091]When someone puts a gun to your head it's still your fault for ratting out your friends. Hamas only exists because the people allowed it. Hamas took over forcefully in 07. It's a terror organization, there were no democratic elections.
Piss off.[/QUOTE]
Only a small number of countries recognize Hamas as a terror organisation. Even the UK only recognise its comparatively small military wing as a terror organisation, and rightly so.
But at the end of the day the majority of the world recognizes Hamas as the defacto democratically elected representation of Gazans.
Hamas exists because there are no other options.
Organizations like Hamas exist BECAUSE OF Israel, Seith.
[QUOTE=-Sleepy-*;45589727]Organizations like Hamas exist BECAUSE OF Israel, Seith.[/QUOTE]
that is a very stupid thing to say.
of course, they are a group that basically wants to wipe Israel off the map. OF COURSE they exist because of Israel. Does this make Hamas right? NO. They are a bunch of fucking terrorists.
I remember Starpluck banning people for using maannews as source.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45589125]Only a small number of countries recognize Hamas as a terror organisation. Even the UK only recognise its comparatively small military wing as a terror organisation, and rightly so.
But at the end of the day the majority of the world recognizes Hamas as the defacto democratically elected representation of Gazans.
Hamas exists because there are no other options.[/QUOTE]
Is there a prerequisite for a terror organization to be one? You've got to have 5000 members, or what? The problem is most people don't give enough credit to this 'small number' of Hamas members who actually managed to fire 5000 rockets into Israel, kill 60 soldiers, dig tunnels using funding, manipulate everybody so effectively and use so little. It is, trust me, a terror organization with or without the prerequisites you might have in mind.
There were no elections. Gaza looks like shit, it has no infrastructure. It has more weapons stashes than houses.
Hamas exists because the people are too afraid to do anything about it. The people just let it happen and now that it's gone to shit, who do you blame? Yourself? Israel. Hamas is using it's people so effectively you can't even seem to realize that.
Hamas is just one of the top tier organizations out there.... once you realize this, you look at reality and now instead of cowering away at death, and taking advantage of an actual democratic state you can put your blame on, we can start seeing a change. People said so themselves, you can't blame something that isn't even a country...... So you criticize Israel, the only thing you can do. I wonder what would any other nation would do? any nation would act the same, this whole condemning is nothing but hypocrisy at it's best.
[QUOTE=Hammer7;45589927]I remember Starpluck banning people for using maannews as source.[/QUOTE]
When? Are you referring to that single instance that occurred a couple weeks ago? I was banned for one day and it was for a different reason, which happened by mistake to begin with.
There is no good side in this conflict. Both sides are just as shitty, and both sides are winning this "war" in one way.
Hamas uses human shields and fires rockets onto Israel (that are worthless, but thats not the point.) terrorizing the people living in Israel, which also includes Arabs. Even if they don't kill, it's still frightening to now that any second a rocket might explode just infront, behind or next to you. Hamas is also a militant organization classified as a Terrorist organization by the United States (and Israel) meaning that they must have done some pretty nasty things. They also hide guns and fire missiles at locations they know Israel will attack and kill lots of innocent palestinians. It's a very cruel tactic by Hamas but it works well.
Israel on the other hand, is not much better. Instead of doing a tactical invasion with few troops they decide to make a full scale attack and bomb the shit out of Gaza. It's no wonder people are so pissed off about all their attacks when they launch missiles into civilian areas hoping that they might destroy some hamas weaponry in the process. But in the end, is it really worth all the civilian casulties? Thousands of people have died due to the strikes from Israel and it really doesn't seem like they will end it. Israel have also striked fucking UN locations with missiles, they shrunk the gaza strip so they lost one of their power source and they even got condemned by France for their actions.
Peace talks are out of the question, as Hamas have broken all the attempted cease fires and Israel obviously won't accept another one since they can't trust Hamas. It would not surprise me at all if Israel fully occupies the Gaza strip or blockade it even more. So who is "winning" this war? Military wise, Israel is winning this. Hamas doesn't have the resources to even match the IDF and are forced to fight the way they are now. Hamas is however, winning on the Media and political front. I've yet to see any newspaper in my country that is considered a legitimate source to write about how good Israel is by invading Gaza. Neither have I seen any type of "#goIsrael" trends or similar on Facebook, Instagram or Twitter. It's always ""#Freepalestine" or similar tags. In the end, when this war is over, Israel will be once again considered the "bad guy", when in reality, both sides are just as horrible. There is never a good side in war, only 2 parts trying to prove the other side wrong.
[QUOTE=freaka;45592176]
Peace talks are out of the question, as Hamas have broken all the attempted cease fires and Israel obviously won't accept another one since they can't trust Hamas. It would not surprise me at all if Israel fully occupies the Gaza strip or blockade it even more. [/QUOTE]
So, uh, yeah. About that.
[URL="http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-08-04/two-jerusalem-attacks-raise-fears-of-gaza-fighting-spillover"]Looks like[/URL] the Egyptians and Palestinians are about to declare another truce, starting tomorrow, while Israel has declared it officially completed destroying all known tunnels, and rumor has it it will probably accept this truce.
Until someone breaks it again.
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;45592270]So, uh, yeah. About that.
[URL="http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-08-04/two-jerusalem-attacks-raise-fears-of-gaza-fighting-spillover"]Looks like[/URL] the Egyptians and Palestinians are about to declare another truce, starting tomorrow, while Israel has declared it officially completed destroying all known tunnels, and rumor has it it will probably accept this truce.
Until someone breaks it again.[/QUOTE]
Im skeptic about it, but I hope for the sake of the people living in Gaza that it will acctualy hold this time.
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