British General election 2017: DUP deal 'risks Northern Ireland peace process' - Polidicks

[URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-40238283"]http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-40238283[/URL] [QUOTE]The Northern Ireland peace process is likely to be "sacrificed to save Theresa May's skin", former Northern Ireland secretary Lord [B]Paul[/B] Murphy warns. Mrs May is seeking a deal with the Democratic Unionist Party after losing her majority in Thursday's election. Lord Murphy said such a deal could undermine decades of efforts to bring stability to Northern Ireland. The former Labour MP for Torfaen, Northern Ireland Secretary from 2002 to 2005, was speaking to BBC Radio Wales. The Northern Ireland peace process is based on an assurance by the British government that it has "no selfish or strategic or economic interest in Northern Ireland". Lord Murphy told the Sunday Supplement programme that a government depending on the DUP for its majority could not make such a pledge. "No it can't, and I think the problem now is that the peace process is likely to be sacrificed in order to save Theresa May's skin," he said. "And that's a terrible business, because we've gone through 20 years now of bringing peace and stability and prosperity to Northern Ireland. "All that, in my view, is now being jeopardised by this deal." Lord Murphy said he could understand the DUP wanting to help the prime minister and "their view about being a United Kingdom party and all those things" but "we're right in the middle of negotiations to set up the assembly and executive in Belfast, it all collapsed before the general election". He added: "Sinn Fein is now the other very big party in Northern Ireland - they now obviously are very unhappy with the situation where the DUP is seen as the partner with the British government, and therefore in a very, very different position."[/QUOTE] Taoiseach, [B]Enda Kenny,[/B] expresses concern over May's proposed DUP deal: [URL="https://www.rte.ie/news/uk-election-2017/2017/0611/881797-dup-conservative-party/"]https://www.rte.ie/news/uk-election-2017/2017/0611/881797-dup-conservative-party/[/URL] [QUOTE]Taoiseach Enda Kenny has expressed concern that a proposed alliance between the Conservative Party and the Democratic Unionist Party could pose a challenge to the peace process. In a phone call with British Prime Minister Theresa May, "the Taoiseach indicated his concern that nothing should happen to put the Good Friday Agreement at risk and the challenge that this agreement [with the DUP] will bring", a Government statement said. The statement also said that both leaders "agreed that of immediate concern were efforts to establish an executive as soon as possible, with exploratory discussions with the NI parties to take place tomorrow." Mr Kenny also told Mrs May that there should be an early meeting between her and taoiseach-in-waiting Leo Varadkar. prime minister's minority government. The DUP confirmed that Mrs Foster would be going to No 10 on Tuesday after discussions in Belfast over the weekend were said to have made "good progress". Mrs Foster told Sky News: "We had very good discussions yesterday with the Conservative Party in relation to how we could support them in forming a national government - one that would bring stability to the nation. Those discussions continue." Downing Street initially said yesterday that an outline agreement on a "confidence and supply" arrangement had been reached with the DUP which would be put to the Cabinet for discussion tomorrow. But it later disclosed that no deal had been finalised and talks on the arrangement will continue during the week as Mrs May desperately tries to shore up her position after losing her Commons majority in the election.[/QUOTE] Bold is stuff I added. I really do not want to see the Northern Irish peace process damaged just to see a shite British Conservative government held up. Does anyone from NI see this affecting things badly?

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52340541][URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-40238283"]http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-40238283[/URL] Taoiseach, [B]Enda Kenny,[/B] expresses concern over May's proposed DUP deal: [URL="https://www.rte.ie/news/uk-election-2017/2017/0611/881797-dup-conservative-party/"]https://www.rte.ie/news/uk-election-2017/2017/0611/881797-dup-conservative-party/[/URL] Bold is stuff I added. I really do not want to see the Northern Irish peace process damaged just to see a shite British Conservative government held up. Does anyone from NI see this affecting things badly?[/QUOTE] I've asked a couple of people I know from NI and they said yes. This is really fucking awful.

No Shit, NI Is on a knife's edge already, and the balance that is in at the moment although *far* from perfect has kept some sembelence of order, we've had fewer Terror attacks from both sides. But if the Ulsterians get a say in British policy in NI, and Sein Fein don't things will only escalate, Red Hands thinking they are right, and Provisionals thinking they are resisting the big bad government.

Here I was thinking Brexit kind of threatened NI by proxy, now we have this. Nobody fucking wants this apart from the Cons and the DUP. Returning to the Troubles is not what anyone voted for, anyone.

It's not even worth it, giving these cunts additional political power just to prop up a shithole government which has proved itself to be more than willing to throw the NHS, social welfare and other vital programs that the working class are reliant on under the bus. If people suffer further or are even hurt or killed because of this (I'm also including these cuts) indirectly or otherwise these fuckers deserve to hang.

[quote]The Northern Ireland peace process is likely to be "sacrificed to save Theresa May's skin", former Northern Ireland secretary Lord Paul Murphy warns. [/quote] Words can not express how retarded this is. Why the fuck would you sacrifice a tentative peace and all the efforts put in over the past 2 decades just to keep 1 reviled politician in place!?

the only good thing to come from this is people in the UK remembering northern ireland exists

Eventually one of the NI parties were going to end up in government, this is just one of those times.

I'm not wanting to be hyperbolic but the fact that May is willing to fuck up so much just to stay in power is nothing short of disgusting imo.

Holy shit this government is such a mess. I was thinking they would just get away with it, as usual, and we would have a weakened version of the same old crap government for a few more years... But this isn't actually going to stand is it?

Tories had the nerve to call Corbyn an IRA sympathiser but now May wants the Troubles to come back just so she gets to put her feet up at no 10 Absolutely fucked, all that hard work between Tories, Labor, Sinn Fein, the Irish Government and many more put down the fucking drain just for power

[QUOTE=Boilrig;52340618]Eventually one of the NI parties were going to end up in government, this is just one of those times.[/QUOTE] Sinn fein boycott Westminster.

honestly I don't know much about this, but from reading about it a little bit it seems that sinn fein has no leg to stand on. if they're going to be so stupid as to not take seats they won in the country they're in then they have literally no say in anything. either take the seats or shut the fuck up.

[QUOTE=patq911;52340778]honestly I don't know much about this, but from reading about it a little bit it seems that sinn fein has no leg to stand on. if they're going to be so stupid as to not take seats they won in the country they're in then they have literally no say in anything. either take the seats or shut the fuck up.[/QUOTE] taking the seats means implicitly accepting the authority of the queen, something that goes against their core beliefs

[QUOTE=patq911;52340778]honestly I don't know much about this, but from reading about it a little bit it seems that sinn fein has no leg to stand on. if they're going to be so stupid as to not take seats they won in the country they're in then they have literally no say in anything. either take the seats or shut the fuck up.[/QUOTE] Sinn Fein have run on a manifesto of abstentionism for over a hundred years. People in the counties in which Sinn Fein win are voting for that policy. It is the democratic will of those people that Sinn Fein act as their voice in protest of Westminister. It is very 1-dimensional to suggest that Sinn Fein should either take their seats or shut the fuck up.

[video=youtube;LQZLPV6xcHI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQZLPV6xcHI[/video] "Here we go again....."

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;52340593]Words can not express how retarded this is. Why the fuck would you sacrifice a tentative peace and all the efforts put in over the past 2 decades [B]just to keep 1 reviled politician in place!?[/B][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Mr Kotov;52340642]I'm not wanting to be hyperbolic but the fact that [B]May is willing to fuck up so much just to stay in power[/B] is nothing short of disgusting imo.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=fruxodaily;52340754]Tories had the nerve to call Corbyn an IRA sympathiser but now May wants the Troubles to come back just so she gets to put her feet up at no 10 Absolutely fucked, all that hard work between Tories, Labor, Sinn Fein, the Irish Government and many more put down the fucking drain [B]just for power[/B][/QUOTE] That's not entirely fair: it's a case of does the UK want a Government or not? If we want a Government then the DUP have to be part of it - that's how the maths works out. Theresa May needs their support to pass a Queen's Speech - Jeremy Corbyn's theoretical coalition needs them to pass a Queen's Speech too. So the DUP have to be in government in some form [B][I]or[/I][/B] we have another election.

[QUOTE=Mythman;52340887]That's not entirely fair: it's a case of does the UK want a Government or not? If we want a Government then the DUP have to be part of it - that's how the maths works out. Theresa May needs their support to pass a Queen's Speech - Jeremy Corbyn's theoretical coalition needs them to pass a Queen's Speech too. So the DUP have to be in government in some form [B][I]or[/I][/B] we have another election.[/QUOTE] They could of just cooperated with the other parties though. The compromises they will have to make with the DUP are much less damaging to the country than the compromises they would of had to make with Labour/Libdems etc. They are just power hungry, there is no denying it. Everything the conservatives do is for power.

[QUOTE=Shadow801;52340894]They could of just cooperated with the other parties though. The compromises they will have to make with the DUP are much less damaging to the country than the compromises they would of had to make with Labour/Libdems etc. They are just power hungry, there is no denying it. Everything the conservatives do is for power.[/QUOTE] Sure but that relies on the other parties wanting to work with them. Labour, the Lib Dems and the SNP have all made it clear they will not join in coalition or do any deals with the Conservatives. What else can the Conservatives do? It's CON-DUP or another election.

These fuckers only stopped supporting terrorists within the past two weeks. Another Election will do finely, thank you very much.

The people aren't going to sit by and let a CON-DUP coalition strip our rights. It threatens to undo all the progress we've made as a society within the last decade, and put us under an authoritarian government. I'd rather anything else than be ruled under a government that is similar to Turkeys.

[QUOTE=Mythman;52340898]Sure but that relies on the other parties wanting to work with them. Labour, the Lib Dems and the SNP have all made it clear they will not join in coalition or do any deals with the Conservatives. What else can the Conservatives do? It's CON-DUP or another election.[/QUOTE] What's wrong with another election?

[QUOTE=Mythman;52340887]That's not entirely fair: it's a case of does the UK want a Government or not? If we want a Government then the DUP have to be part of it - that's how the maths works out. Theresa May needs their support to pass a Queen's Speech - Jeremy Corbyn's theoretical coalition needs them to pass a Queen's Speech too. So the DUP have to be in government in some form [B][I]or[/I][/B] we have another election.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Mythman;52340898]Sure but that relies on the other parties wanting to work with them.Labour, the Lib Dems and the SNP have all made it clear they will not join in coalition or do any deals with the Conservatives. What else can the Conservatives do? It's CON-DUP or another election.[/QUOTE] Nah it is entirely fair, the entire reason May called the election was to consolidate power against opponents she had convinced herself were in a weakened position. This is all on them. They weren't backed into a corner by anything other than their own arrogance. This is the second nasty mess caused by a Conservative power trip recently- I don't blame anyone for not wanting to work with the bastards. To me, It sounds like we have very good grounds to call another election, because this mess is looking to be far more trouble than it's worth.

[QUOTE=DrarrkS52;52340918]The people aren't going to sit by and let a CON-DUP coalition strip our rights. It threatens to undo all the progress we've made as a society within the last decade, and put us under an authoritarian government. I'd rather anything else than be ruled under a government that is similar to Turkeys.[/QUOTE] Sadly the current narrative is that rights and privacy are for terrorists. Way to go jerks.

[QUOTE=Kljunas;52340925]What's wrong with another election?[/QUOTE] Nothing wrong with it [I]per se[/I] - it's a perfectly valid position to hold. But there are a few downsides: - Brexit talks are due to start a week Monday and another election will delay them even further. - This new election could easily result in another hung parliament creating the same problems. - The country is without a working Government for even longer - delaying government business and damaging the economy.

[QUOTE=Mythman;52340956]Nothing wrong with it [I]per se[/I] - it's a perfectly valid position to hold. But there are a few downsides: - Brexit talks are due to start a week Monday and another election will delay them even further. - This new election could easily result in another hung parliament creating the same problems. - The country is without a working Government for even longer - delaying government business and damaging the economy.[/QUOTE] Part of me is wondering if this is 4d chess by the conservatives and it's all intentional

[QUOTE=Mythman;52340956]Nothing wrong with it [I]per se[/I] - it's a valid position to hold. But there are a few downsides: - [B]Brexit talks are due to start a week Monday and another election will delay them even further.[/B] [/QUOTE] Delaying brexit talks at the moment is probably the best thing for us. As a result of this election and the Tories weakening themselves so badly, we're going to get a really shitty deal. Even at the risk of another hung parliament it might be best to through another election. In the chance that we actually are able to form a government after another election, hopefully that government will be much stronger and able to negotiate a tougher deal with the EU.

[QUOTE=DrarrkS52;52340966]Delaying brexit talks at the moment is probably the best thing for us. As a result of this election and the Tories weakening themselves so badly, we're going to get a really shitty deal. Even at the risk of another hung parliament it might be best to through another election. In the chance that we actually are able to form a government after another election, hopefully that government will be much stronger and able to negotiate a tougher deal with the EU.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately, we have already invoked Article 50 so we will be leaving in March 2019 no matter what - the clock is already ticking down. We can delay the start of the talks, not the end of them. If we have another election we have an even shorter amount of time to negotiate everything: increasing the risk of getting a terrible deal/ no deal at all. Theresa May has royally screwed everything.

[QUOTE=Mythman;52340996]Unfortunately, we have already invoked Article 50 so we will be leaving in March 2019 no matter what - the clock is already ticking down. We can delay the start of the talks, not the end of them. If we have another election we have an even shorter amount of time to negotiate everything: increasing the risk of getting a terrible deal/ no deal at all. Theresa May has royally screwed everything.[/QUOTE] That's not how article fifty works. It's a minimum of two years, there is no defined maximum. If we haven't hammered out a deal by 2019 we will continue to abide by EU rules and regulations until we have made a deal that both us and all remaining 27 member states have agreed to. We could still be in the process of leaving in 2025 if we just had a string of shit governments refusing to compromise.

[QUOTE=Mythman;52340996]Unfortunately, we have already invoked Article 50 so we will be leaving in March 2019 no matter what - the clock is already ticking down. We can delay the start of the talks, not the end of them. If we have another election we have an even shorter amount of time to negotiate everything: increasing the risk of getting a terrible deal/ no deal at all. Theresa May has royally screwed everything.[/QUOTE] According to the lib Dems and the people who wrote article 50 we can stop the process, although I doubt the rest of the EU would take too kindly to that and it might be that if we reversed on it we couldn't trigger it again. Really we should have had an election before triggering article 50.