North Koreas purge of Chang is received badly in North Korea. - Polidicks

[img]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/71763000/jpg/_71763685_020328374ap.jpg[/img] [i]Some North Koreans think Mr Chang has been blamed for economic failures, a trader said[/i] [quote]Many North Koreans living here in the South are using covert contacts to get information about what is happening back home. Their reports suggest a rise in the number of indoctrination sessions across the country, with people being required to write letters pledging their loyalty to the regime and also letters of "self-reflection" examining their own behaviour. The sudden execution of the country's second-most senior statesman, North Korean groups here say, has created a considerable amount of "surprise, bafflement" and "fear". Jang Jin-sung left North Korea in 2004 and now runs a news website devoted to reporting events inside the country. "You can really feel a sense of crisis when you hear people's voices on the phone" Jang Jin-sung said. "They seem to really suffer from fear: it resonates in their voices. They say times have changed now that the leader himself is getting directly involved in removing his family members." The fear inside North Korea may have grown, but there is also a suggestion from some sources that the execution has diminished Kim Jong-un's authority. One trader told a contact here in Seoul that "half the public in North Korea believes Chang Song-thaek was a scapegoat - purged to take the blame for the country's economic failures.[/quote] [quote]A report from another trader seemed to confirm this, saying that the execution showed Kim Jong-un's lack of morality and that attitudes towards him had "turned in a negative direction". "The deification of the North Korean leader has completely changed with the purge of Chang Song-thaek," Jang Jin-sung said. "There is no longer a god-like aura around the country's leader."[/quote] I think it's a case that North Korea is about to change quite a lot. They used to believe in their leader as a godlike deity, and feared him as well. Now that the belief that they are ruled by a flawless superhuman is gone, only fear is keeping the country together now. [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25399143[/url]

Maybe we'll see a little thawing in the near future.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;43216219]Maybe we'll see a little thawing in the near future.[/QUOTE] I honestly hope it doesn't lead to the most likely option... A lot of people get executed or forced into reeducation camps.

It's too late for that, it's already been happening for years.

[QUOTE=Computrix;43216290]It's too late for that, it's already been happening for years.[/QUOTE]I think JoeSkylynx means even [i]more[/i] people getting executed or forced into reeducation/labor camps. (the difference being one is most assuredly going to kill you while the other one actually will)

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;43216219]Maybe we'll see a little thawing in the near future.[/QUOTE] Ever since the Soviet Union collapsed and China abandoned Communism, North Korea has been moving increasingly towards either collapse or reform. It looks like the last ruler is going to resist such reforms.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;43216219]Maybe we'll see a little thawing in the near future.[/QUOTE] Odds are it'll get much worse before it gets better, but odds are it eventually will.

There will probably be a military coup or something and someone else will be installed as glorious leader. I remember theirs a few story's of attempted ones in Il's time so it can't be much better now.

Well North Korea's been dropping leaflets on South Korea threatening attack these last couple days

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43216414]Ever since the Soviet Union collapsed and China abandoned Communism, North Korea has been moving increasingly towards either collapse or reform. It looks like the last ruler is going to resist such reforms.[/QUOTE] Isn't it a bit too early to call Kim Jong Un the last ruler. For all we know this could end really badly with a big conflict that may make everything worse.

[QUOTE=mchapra;43217710]Isn't it a bit too early to call Kim Jong Un the last ruler. For all we know this could end really badly with a big conflict.[/QUOTE] Well as of right now, he [I]is[/I] the last ruler. Right now Obama is the last president of the US. I don't think he means it as in the sense of "final" so much as "the latest one".

[QUOTE=TheTalon;43217673]Well North Korea's been dropping leaflets on South Korea threatening attack these last couple days[/QUOTE] "This is for those damn bibles you dropped!"

[QUOTE=TheTalon;43217673]Well North Korea's been dropping leaflets on South Korea threatening attack these last couple days[/QUOTE] I'd also like to mention that today they said War would come without an advertisement They are so weird

I suppose once the second glorious demigod ruler keels over you start to become a bit sceptical.

[QUOTE=Saxon;43217515]There will probably be a military coup or something and someone else will be installed as glorious leader. I remember theirs a few story's of attempted ones in Il's time so it can't be much better now.[/QUOTE] If a military coup happens they'll probably get rid of the Great/Dear Leader title altogether and form a Military Junta. Maybe even attribute some of the atrocities North Korea's committed to the Kim dynasty so that the people think that the wonderful Military liberated them from the evil Dear Leader.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;43218098]Wouldn't the constant threat of death ignite a sort of "Well if I'm going to die, might as well die fighting" mentality?[/QUOTE] If North Korea's Military was out in the streets indiscriminately shooting every civilian they saw right now then maybe.

He was truely the peoples Uncle.

Serious question. What happens in NK if someone domes tubby?

[QUOTE=Grimhound;43219950]Serious question. What happens in NK if someone domes tubby?[/QUOTE] One of the next of kin would get it, or, more likely, one of the military leaders would nick the position of glorious leaderman

[QUOTE=TheTalon;43217673][B]Well North Korea's [/B]been dropping leaflets on South Korea[B] threatening attack[/B] these last couple days[/QUOTE] again?

[QUOTE=Bazsil;43219998]One of the next of kin would get it, or, more likely, one of the military leaders would nick the position of glorious leaderman[/QUOTE] Given the cult of personality and the near deification of Kim family, if the military wanted to build a junta, it would take a family member as a figurehead for the people to see while keeping power to itself.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43216414] It looks like the last ruler is going to resist such reforms.[/QUOTE] Purge his enemies and than reform?

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43216112] I think it's a case that North Korea is about to change quite a lot. They used to believe in their leader as a godlike deity, and feared him as well. Now that the belief that they are ruled by a flawless superhuman is gone, only fear is keeping the country together now. [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25399143[/url][/QUOTE] I keep seeing people agree and disagree about stuff like this. What do we know for sure about the society in the DPRK? As in, how volatile is it? I know there is no true measurement for it, but I want to know whether it will last for a while or whether it is approaching it's breaking point.

[QUOTE=FlandersNed;43233454]I keep seeing people agree and disagree about stuff like this. What do we know for sure about the society in the DPRK? As in, how volatile is it? I know there is no true measurement for it, but I want to know whether it will last for a while or whether it is approaching it's breaking point.[/QUOTE] If only RAYHALO was here to [I]enlighten[/I] us