[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-3272664[/url]
[QUOTE="BBC"]Gen Ibrahim told the BBC that Afari was killed alongside dozens of militants who he had been meeting at the al-Shuhada (Martyrs) mosque in the village of al-Iyadhiya, near Tal Afar, where he was reportedly a well-known preacher.[/QUOTE]
Now let's get their "main" leader.
Talk about ironic that they attained martyrdom in a mosque dedicated to martyrs.
It's been reported MacBag-AlBagdaddy was paralyzed recently and his second in command has step up to take his place.
we all know how it goes
you take down one, another appears to take over
[QUOTE=SonicHitman;47717220]we all know how it goes
you take down one, another appears to take over[/QUOTE]Yeah and the more we kill the leaders the bigger hatred becomes. This is good but we gotta battle them another way.
[QUOTE=Carlton Dance;47717231]Yeah and the more we kill the leaders the bigger hatred becomes. This is good but we gotta battle them another way.[/QUOTE]
How? IS have already made an enormous splash on the world stage. It's not a localized phenomenon like the LTTE, who got pasted after their leader booked it and their financier got arrested. Even attempted revivals/support has failed so far.
As far as IS goes they've already made a point that a state of sorts can be built on the shoulders of terrorism. Their numbers are so large that at worst you'd possibly drive the group underground after their taking of heavy losses so that they go back to guerrilla tactics. And even if they get completely smashed, you can't kill an idea. Others who want to follow in their footsteps will remember that a group called IS once existed and caused a lot of havoc.
To deal with terrorism, you have to eliminate root causes. A ton of people are in it just for the money, or because they feel that society at large has failed them in some way. Not everybody is a fanatic who goes frothing at the mouth to destroy everything haram. Many other unfortunates get brainwashed by recruiters into signing up. There are multifarious aspects that need addressing, and you'll never see them all solved in our lifetimes.
I'm not saying that you shouldn't try to wean people away from the idea but that violence is the only language these people will understand in many cases.
[QUOTE=SonicHitman;47717220]we all know how it goes
you take down one, another appears to take over[/QUOTE]
Realize this, many of their high command is composed of former Ba'ath officers from Sadaam's regime. You take them out they're leadership abilities begin to falter considering they don't have trainined military men who've fought against various armies, including the 1990's collation and the US.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Muslim_al-Turkmani[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ayman_al-Iraqi[/url]
And many more are former Republican Guards for Ba'athis Iraq. Take them away you're left with insurgent cell leaders.
as good as this is, another will likely just take his place.
[QUOTE=dunkace;47717331]as good as this is, another will likely just take his place.[/QUOTE]
Sure but is he as competent?
The Godfather died too, look what happened.
[QUOTE=SonicHitman;47717220]we all know how it goes
you take down one, another appears to take over[/QUOTE]
Ya but each leader has a smaller hold on power, someone who heads an organization for ten years commands more respect than someone who's been in charge 5 minutes, it worked with alquiada, they're too fractured to reach Isis levels of scary anymore
I just want [del]ISIS[/del] DAESH to go away :(
[QUOTE=Citrus705;47718072]I just want [del]ISIS[/del] DAESH to go away :([/QUOTE]
Do something about it then. Sign up into your local armed forces.
Hold up. If this was Afari, that means they killed the guy who was picked to replace MacDaddy himself. Oh fucking man that's funny.
[QUOTE=slothguru11;47717584]The Godfather died too, look what happened.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, 3 films and 2 games.
Killing leadership won't stop guerrilla militants but it will stop organized offensives which require leadership.
It's not the same as killing Al Qaeda leaders during the occupation. DAESH has territory it has to maintain.
[QUOTE=dunkace;47717331]as good as this is, another will likely just take his place.[/QUOTE]
Every thread man, every thread. It's like the he should have used a taser line. Killing off the leadership of any group is going to serverly effect it. Imagine going into work one day and finding out all top management had quit and every month or so the new boss will quit.
[QUOTE=RG4ORDR;47717294]Realize this, many of their high command is composed of former Ba'ath officers from Sadaam's regime. You take them out they're leadership abilities begin to falter considering they don't have trainined military men who've fought against various armies, including the 1990's collation and the US.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Muslim_al-Turkmani[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ayman_al-Iraqi[/url]
And many more are former Republican Guards for Ba'athis Iraq. Take them away you're left with insurgent cell leaders.[/QUOTE]
That's still a lot of leaders and that doesn't mean just because they haven't had formal military training that they can't be natural leaders. In fact, I would expect such an organization like this to have potential aggressive leaders naturally climb to the top of lists.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47719496]That's still a lot of leaders and that doesn't mean just because they haven't had formal military training that they can't be natural leaders. In fact, I would expect such an organization like this to have potential aggressive leaders naturally climb to the top of lists.[/QUOTE]
Aggression and loyalty are not inclusive, there will be purges, reassignments, demotions and executions as each leader brings in their own trusted lieutenants and kicks out the old guard. Its going to breed a lot of tension and dissatisfaction
The organization has literally lived over a decade with their leaders getting killed.
I don't get why some assume that [I]now[/I] things will go downhill for them now that a leadership member is blown up.
I think it's safe to assume that the reason IS doesn't have too much trouble with their top leadership getting blown up is because the majority of the former baathist caste is probably somewhere lower on the chain. Their caliph might die but the dude wasnt the one teaching them squad tactics and maneuver warfare
[QUOTE=dunkace;47717331]as good as this is, another will likely just take his place.[/QUOTE]
That persons idea, life, motives, competence, intelligence, education will affect alot.
If they appoint a dipshit its gonna get a hella lot easier.
These people always get bombed at their meetings.
You'd think they'd telecommute or they'd all join a Skype call at this point.
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