Tension in China heats up over disputed uninhabited islands with Japan; Chinese protests at home, Ch - Polidicks

[QUOTE][h2]Anti-Japan protests erupt in China over disputed islands[/h2] Beijing (CNN) -- Thousands of Chinese protesters hurled bottles and eggs outside the Japanese embassy in Beijing on Saturday amid growing tensions between the two nations over a group of disputed islands. Waving Chinese national flags and holding portraits of the late Chairman Mao Zedong, the mostly young protesters chanted "down with Japanese imperialism" and called for war as they made their way down the streets under the watchful eyes of police and guards. Elsewhere in China, anti-Japanese rallies broke out in dozens of cities and sometimes turned violent. Messages and photos posted on Chinese social media sites showed angry mobs in numerous cities ransacking Japanese stores and restaurants as well as smashing and burning cars of Japanese make. Japanese media also reported incidents of assault on Japanese nationals in China in the past few days. A Chinese foreign ministry spokesman insisted Friday that the public anger was not aimed at the Japanese people, whose safety would be protected in China according to law. Authorities rarely permit protests in China, prompting suspicion that Saturday's nationwide rallies were government-sanctioned. In Beijing, police walking along the demonstrators were seen to ask spectators to join in instead of blocking the street. By Saturday night, China's state-run media had started appealing for restraint, running commentaries that condemned violence and lectured the public on the true meaning of patriotism. In a sign of rising concern over the gathering of large crowds, authorities in cities that had seen the most ferocious protests canceled entertainment and sporting events. Tensions escalated Friday when Chinese maritime surveillance ships ignored warnings from Japan and briefly entered waters around the group of islands at the center of the heated territorial dispute. The ships arrived near the uninhabited islands -- which Japan calls Senkaku and China calls Diaoyu -- and began patrols and "law enforcement," China's state-run news agency Xinhua reported. The islands, situated in the East China Sea between Okinawa and Taiwan, are under Japanese control, but China claims they have been a part of its territory for ages. The long-running argument over who has sovereignty has triggered protests in both nations. The United States,a key ally of Japan, has repeatedly urged Tokyo and Beijing to resolve the dispute through dialogue. U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta will meet with his counterparts in Japan and China this weekend, the Department of Defense said Thursday. Chinese vessels had all left the waters by Friday afternoon and headed north, the Japanese Coast Guard said. Japan said it will intensify patrols of the area. The controversial Chinese move to begin patrols around the islands follows Japan's purchase of several of the islands from a private owner this week. China described the deal as "illegal and invalid." Animosity between the two countries over the islands runs deep. They have come to represent what many Chinese see as unfinished business: redressing the impact of the Japanese occupation of large swathes of eastern China during the 1930s and 1940s. China says its claim goes back hundreds of years. Japan says it saw no trace of Chinese control of the islands in an 1885 survey, so formally recognized them as Japanese sovereign territory in 1895. Japan then sold the islands in 1932 to descendants of the original settlers. The Japanese surrender at the end of World War II in 1945 only served to cloud the issue further. The islands were administered by the U.S. occupation force after the war. But in 1972, Washington returned them to Japan as part of its withdrawal from Okinawa. [img]http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120915072321-china-japan-protest-story-top.jpg[/img][/quote] Source: [url]http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/15/world/asia/china-japan-islands/index.html?hpt=ias_c1[/url] [quote][h2]Chinese ships carry out patrols around islands at center of dispute with Japan[/h2] Tokyo (CNN) -- Six Chinese maritime surveillance ships briefly entered waters around a group of islands at the center of a heated territorial dispute between Tokyo and Beijing, ignoring warnings from the Japanese authorities amid escalating tensions in the region. The Chinese ships arrived near the uninhabited islands -- which Japan calls Senkaku and China calls Diaoyu -- on Friday morning and began patrols and "law enforcement," China's state-run news agency Xinhua reported. The islands, situated in the East China Sea between Okinawa and Taiwan, are currently under Japanese control, but China claims they have been an "inherent" part of its territory "since ancient times." The long-running argument over who has sovereignty has resulted in occasionally violent acts of public protest. The United States,a key ally of Japan, has repeatedly urged Tokyo and Beijing to resolve the dispute through dialogue. U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta will meet with his counterparts in Japan and China during a visit to the region that begins this weekend, the Department of Defense said Thursday. The Chinese ships entered Japanese territorial waters Friday despite warnings from the Japanese Coast Guard, said Shinichi Gega, a spokesman for Japan's 11th Regional Coast Guard Headquarters. The vessels had all left the waters by mid-afternoon and headed north, the Japanese Coast Guard said later Friday, noting that sea in the area was getting rough as a huge storm, Super Typhoon Sanba, approached from the south. Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary Osamu Fujimura said Japan would intensify its own patrols of the area in response to what he described as an "unprecedented scale of invasion" of Japanese waters. Tokyo has protested the "inappropriate, illegal act" to the Chinese authorities, Fujimura said. Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda said Japan would "take all possible measures to ensure security" around the islands. Two of the Chinese ships responded to a Japanese Coast Guard vessel's warning by reiterating China's territorial claim to the islands and saying they were carrying out patrol work, according to Gega. Japanese ships and helicopters are continuing their own patrols of the area, he said. The controversial Chinese move to begin patrols around the islands follows the Japanese government's purchase of several of the islands from a private Japanese owner earlier this week, a deal that China described as "illegal and invalid." The purpose of the patrols is "to demonstrate China's jurisdiction over the Diaoyu Islands and its affiliated islets and ensure the country's maritime interests," Xinhua reported Friday, citing a government statement. This week, China announced what it said were the boundaries of its territorial waters around the islands to back up its claim of sovereignty. It said it had filed a copy of the announcement with U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon on Thursday to comply with international law. But Fujimura insisted Friday that the islands are an "integral part of Japanese territory" under international law, highlighting how directly opposed the two sides are. Animosity between the two countries over the islands runs deep. They have come to represent what many Chinese people see as unfinished business: redressing the impact of the Japanese occupation of large swathes of eastern China during the 1930s and 1940s. China says its claim goes back hundreds of years. Japan says it saw no trace of Chinese control of the islands in an 1885 survey, so formally recognized them as Japanese sovereign territory in 1895. Japan then sold the islands in 1932 to descendants of the original settlers. The Japanese surrender at the end of World War II in 1945 only served to cloud the issue further. The islands were administered by the U.S. occupation force after the war. But in 1972, Washington returned them to Japan as part of its withdrawal from Okinawa. Tokyo's diplomatic corps suffered an unexpected setback Thursday when the newly appointed Japanese ambassador to China, Shinichi Nishimiya, collapsed in Tokyo and was hospitalized just two days after he was named to the post.[/quote] Source: [url]http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/14/world/asia/china-japan-islands-dispute/index.html?hpt=ias_c2[/url] [img]http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/content/graphics/2012/0903-weekly/0903-boneweek-briefing-senkaku-islands/13576382-1-eng-US/0903-BONEWEEK-BRIEFING-Senkaku-Islands_full_600.jpg[/img]

Shit is going down.

So the islands are about natural gas and fishing spots. But if natural gas is a greenhouse gas, wouldn't that rise sea temperatures and affect the fish?

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;37684640] [IMG]http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/content/graphics/2012/0903-weekly/0903-boneweek-briefing-senkaku-islands/13576382-1-eng-US/0903-BONEWEEK-BRIEFING-Senkaku-Islands_full_600.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE] so uh it's a tiny group of islands not even visible here

Taiwan does not seem to care

Japan could say the island belongs to national china

An all out war.

[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;37684691]so uh it's a tiny group of islands not even visible here[/QUOTE] Yeah but fishing economies and natural gas. So damn important islands.

[QUOTE=DiCiSpitfire;37684712]Japan could say the island belongs to national china[/QUOTE] Somehow, I can't see the People's Republic of China being happy with that any more so than Japan giving claim when they think Taiwan is a "rogue province" of theirs to begin with.

I would say their Taiwanese out of spite for China :v:

Surely there's a much more diplomatic approach to this. Overlapping boundaries are going to cause problems, since by the look of it it technically belongs to both of them. Just have to look back to who claimed the boundaries first? The "we sent our military force there first" approach wont really end well.

It's closer to China,which means they have a right to own it rightfully.

Why fight over a stupid island? And how come no Chinese or Japanese billionaires go buy the island itself for their own private property

This is exactly like the shit storm over the Falkland islands.

[QUOTE=IPK;37685334]It's closer to China,which means they have a right to own it rightfully.[/QUOTE] At the same time, however, Japanese ownership is legally recognized by international trade, and to top it off they have a [b]deed[/b].

japan and their territory disputes they're already losing and have no grounds over our dokdoe islands, they need to loosen up

[QUOTE=ewitwins;37685526]At the same time, however, Japanese ownership is legally recognized by international trade, and to top it off they have a [b]deed[/b].[/QUOTE] And it's closer to Taiwan

Better idea: Give it to Switzerland to cause a giant mindfuck

China has already more than enough land and natural ressources. Fuck them.

[QUOTE=IPK;37685334]It's closer to China,which means they have a right to own it rightfully.[/QUOTE] And its this sort of thinking that started the Falkland War.

[QUOTE=Symwck;37684687]So the islands are about natural gas and fishing spots. But if natural gas is a greenhouse gas, wouldn't that rise sea temperatures and affect the fish?[/QUOTE] Yeah, every time you turn the stove on you are killing fish. You sick murderer

[QUOTE=-Get_A_Life-;37686627]China has already more than enough land and natural ressources. Fuck them.[/QUOTE] The Fisihing island is nothing about land or natural resources. It purely political.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;37686728]The Fisihing island is nothing about land or natural resources. It purely political.[/QUOTE] [quote]After a 1968 study by experts discovered that oil reserves might be found under the sea near the Senkaku Islands[/quote] [editline]16th September 2012[/editline] Legally it belongs to Japan so it's theirs China's just butthurt because of the whole WW2 thing

Germany lost 1/4 of its territory after ww2 and they're not angry about the loss of actually productive land. But what is this, a piece of floating rock in the middle of the sea?

[QUOTE=Jund;37686758][editline]16th September 2012[/editline] Legally it belongs to Japan so it's theirs China's just butthurt because of the whole WW2 thing[/QUOTE] Ah didn't know about the oil thing. Actually the whole thing started a few decades before WW2. As you may have seen in the Wiki, it say Japan annexed the islands in 1895.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;37686807]Ah didn't know about the oil thing. Actually the whole thing started a few decades before WW2. As you may have seen in the Wiki, it say Japan annexed the islands in 1895.[/QUOTE] I mean the reason tensions between China and Japan are always so strained is because they put a lot of focus on Japanese war crimes in their education of WW2, so they're basically taught to hate them

someone told me there was oil on that rock

It's not even a logistical thing, they just want to let their anger out on the Japanese Disgraceful and a shameful display

[QUOTE=Jund;37686824]I mean the reason tensions between China and Japan are always so strained is because they put a lot of focus on Japanese war crimes in their education of WW2, so they're basically taught to hate them[/QUOTE] Ah yeah, that's true. In the end I doubt anything will happen between them two. Both probably knows it's not worth losing a huge business partner just because of a stupid rock (with perhaps some oil below it).

I want Japan to have it