At least 9 dead, 25 missing after fire at California rave party - Polidicks

[quote]San Francisco (AFP) - Nine people were killed and 25 missing after a huge blaze broke out during a rave party near San Francisco held in a cluttered, maze-like warehouse for artists, fire officials said Saturday. Oakland Fire Chief Teresa Deloach Reed said most of those who died in the blaze that started about 11:30 pm (0730 GMT) Friday were thought to have died on the upper floor of the two-story warehouse known as "Oakland Ghostship. "It must have been a very fast-moving fire," she told reporters. It was not immediately known what sparked the inferno at the electronic dance music party attended by 50 to 100 people. By mid-morning Saturday, fire crews had not yet been able to sweep the scene and officials said they feared the death toll could rise significantly once rescuers were able to enter the building. "We still have to do a more thorough search of the building and we don't know the potential number of other victims," Reed said. The building, which housed artists including several who apparently lived there, had numerous partitions and a makeshift stairwell built from pallets. Some of the structural changes made it extremely difficult for people to escape, Reed said. "There wasn't a real entry or exit path," she said. "I don't know where the fire started, but I do know that the way the building was situated made it difficult for people to escape," Reed said. Firefighters were hampered in their efforts to put out the blaze by clutter. "It was filled end to end with furniture, whatnot, collections," she said. "It was like a maze almost." She added that it appeared no smoke detectors were activated in the building which also had no sprinkler system. The fire raced through the structure quickly and got out of control at one point, forcing firefighters to pull back, reports said. Friends and family of partygoers went to social media to try and find news about their loved ones, with some posting information on the event's Facebook page. "Please tell me you are safe," one woman wrote, adding a friend's name, while others posted prayers. The rave party featured a little-known act called Golden Donna and several other performers. It was unclear if any of the DJs were among the dead. "I literally felt my skin peeling and my lungs being suffocated by smoke," Bob Mule, a photographer who lives in the building, told the local KTVU station. "I couldn't get the fire extinguisher to work."[/quote] [url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/nine-dead-15-missing-fire-california-rave-party-161203561.html[/url]

That sucks balls, some of my best memories are at raves they should be happy places not this. i wish i could say they should have hosted it at a legal, proper establishment but i know how these things go and that just isnt an option in the USA

Omg, I hope the death toll doesn't rise and I hope the injured can recover. My condolences go to the loved ones of the people that died. :(

This is the place: [url]http://www.oaklandghostship.com/[/url] Looks like a deathtrap, there's no wonder people had trouble getting out/firefighters couldn't get access. There never should have been a public event held there, I hope the organisers have the book thrown at them.

Jesus, the whole place seems to be a clusterfuck. Fire extinguishers not working, maze like areas, lack of a sprinkler system. Can you say the designers failed to meet the fire hazard requirements?

I'm watching the news. They're just starting to extricate some of the bodies.

And this is why you don't hold your concerts in the midst of a fire hazard. This was a disaster waiting to happen, somebody's going to jail for this

[QUOTE=Yellowamoeba;51468930]This is the place: [URL]http://www.oaklandghostship.com/[/URL] Looks like a deathtrap, there's no wonder people had trouble getting out/firefighters couldn't get access. There never should have been a public event held there, I hope the organisers have the book thrown at them.[/QUOTE] Thats an awesome place to hold a rave though edit: unless it burns down etc etc

That venue is cool as shit too bad.

[QUOTE=PsycheClops;51468940]Jesus, the whole place seems to be a clusterfuck. Fire extinguishers not working, maze like areas, lack of a sprinkler system. Can you say the designers failed to meet the fire hazard requirements?[/QUOTE] From the look of the place I doubt many legitimate professionals worked on it. Safety measures are really important in any place a lot of people gather in and get intoxicated no less.

It's an older building. Sprinklers and fire detection are not mandatory.

Pretty likely a lot of them were on drugs. As if being trapped in a burning building wasn't bad enough already.

[QUOTE=pentium;51469202]It's an older building. Sprinklers and fire detection are not mandatory.[/QUOTE] In California? Commercial use is way stricter than residential use, and residential still requires renovations with sprinkler systems in parts of California. I'd put money on this building either being condemned, or flying under the radar without inspections, quite possibly both. The probability that this place was legal is zero.

[QUOTE=Zephyrs;51469420]In California? Commercial use is way stricter than residential use, and residential still requires renovations with sprinkler systems in parts of California. I'd put money on this building either being condemned, or flying under the radar without inspections, quite possibly both. The probability that this place was legal is zero.[/QUOTE]Raves sometimes take place in [b]abandoned[/b] buildings that haven't been cared for. And these events are often not legal; so it's possible that there were no professionals to check or to critique the building while the event was being organized. By the way, was this a legal or illegal rave? The article wasn't very clear, or maybe I missed this info while reading it. I'm assuming it's illegal.

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[QUOTE=PulseFrog;51469441]Raves sometimes take place in [b]abandoned[/b] buildings that haven't been cared for. And these events are often not legal; so it's possible that there were no professionals to check or to critique the building while the event was being organized.[/QUOTE] Exactly. There's no way this was legal. Things like this are inevitable while rave culture is so heavily stigmatized and driven underground. I don't want to say play stupid games, win stupid prizes, since nobody deserves to be burned alive while trapped in a building, but at the same time, it genuinely baffles me that people didn't pause to think maybe, just maybe, being in a place with a staircase made out of pallets wasn't the brightest of ideas.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51468877]i wish i could say they should have hosted it at a legal, proper establishment but i know how these things go and that just isnt an option in the USA[/QUOTE] I can clearly see you've never been to a rave.

[QUOTE=pentium;51470536]I can clearly see you've never been to a rave.[/QUOTE] I have, and he's absolutely fucking spot on. Literally every rave I have been to has been held underground and unofficially. It would get shut down within 10 minutes or denied a permit otherwise.

[QUOTE=Yellowamoeba;51468930]This is the place: [url]http://www.oaklandghostship.com/[/url] Looks like a deathtrap, there's no wonder people had trouble getting out/firefighters couldn't get access. There never should have been a public event held there, I hope the organisers have the book thrown at them.[/QUOTE] Jesus it looks like a hoarder's house. As much of a fire hazard too.

Damn, looks like along with with the lives lost, some cool as fuck things burned down too. Though I don't know how much of it is rare/unique, apart from artworks.

Not a surprise, since it's an underground culture, these places are deathtraps. No safety considerations whatsoever.

Friend of mine lost a bunch of people in that place. Turns out the owner was well aware that his building was a deathtrap, having been warned years prior and he literally laughed it off. He apparently left the country right after this happened.

[QUOTE=Luni;51471522]Friend of mine lost a bunch of people in that place. Turns out the owner was well aware that his building was a deathtrap, having been warned years prior and he literally laughed it off. He apparently left the country right after this happened.[/QUOTE] That fucker won't have a single good night of sleep for the rest of his life that's for damn sure.

[QUOTE=Fapplejack;51472421]That fucker won't have a single good night of sleep for the rest of his life that's for damn sure.[/QUOTE] I hope it's in prison

[QUOTE=Fapplejack;51472421]That fucker won't have a single good night of sleep for the rest of his life that's for damn sure.[/QUOTE] By the sounds of what he's saying on his facebook page, it seems he only cares that his belongings and property were lost, and not about the human lives that were lost.

[QUOTE=Mr._N;51472937]By the sounds of what he's saying on his facebook page, it seems he only cares that his belongings and property were lost, and not about the human lives that were lost.[/QUOTE] Holy shit, really? I need to see that status.

[QUOTE=PsycheClops;51472956]Holy shit, really? I need to see that status.[/QUOTE] [t]https://files.catbox.moe/p8h0b9.jpg[/t] [url]https://www.facebook.com/derick.ion.9/posts/10154043090696630[/url]

Wow that place looks like an unlit liberal bonfire. Really sad that this happened, and maybe not entirely unavoidable considering the architecture. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Insensitive shitpost" - Big Dumb American))[/highlight]

That looks like a terrible place to hold a rave, it looks like a charity shop. Trips and fire hazards everywhere

[QUOTE=Llamalord;51469009]That venue is [b]cool as shit[/b] too bad.[/QUOTE] Not the best choice of words considering the context.