Congress passes Guantanamo bill - Polidicks

[quote]The Senate vote, which follows approval in the House last week, clears one of the hurdles facing President Barack Obama as he seeks to close Guantanamo. But the measure does not allow those convicted to be imprisoned in the US nor permit those cleared to stay. Mr Obama has set a 22 January deadline for closing the detention centre. More than 220 inmates are still held at the Guantanamo camp which was opened after the 11 September attacks. The bill, which must now be signed into law by President Obama, was passed by 79 to 19 votes in the Senate as part of a larger budget bill for the Department of Homeland Security. The US justice department has said that it intends to decide by mid-November which detainees will stand trial and what kind of court they will face. Under the terms of the bill, Congress must be provided with a detailed assessment of the security risk involved before a detainee can be brought to the US. The administration must also give 15 days' notice of any transfer. Some Republicans have objected to plans to hold Guantanamo detainees in US prisons, arguing that they do not deserve the protections afforded under US law. "There is too much at stake to grant the unprecedented benefit of our legal system's complex procedural safeguards to foreign nationals who were captured outside the United States during a time of war," said Senator Saxby Chambliss during the debate. "Guantanamo must be closed because it's become a recruiting tool for al-Qaeda and other terrorist," Senator Dick Durbin said. Under the bill, those convicted will not be able to serve their sentences in US prisons, and those cleared will not be allowed to stay, even when no other country will accept them. That matter is to be decided by future legislation or by the Supreme Court - which has announced it will hear an appeal by a group of Chinese ethnic Uighurs, who are still being held at Guantanamo despite being deemed to pose no risk. Their lawyers argue that they should be allowed to resettle in the US rather than China, where as ethnic Muslim Uighurs they would be subjected to persecution. [/quote] Source: [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8317520.stm[/url] Obama made a mistake, again. Non us Citizens from other countries, being tried on US Soil, for crimes against Humanity, and America, thats not really US's Job, it will be too easy on them. To be honest, if your planning to kill 1000 people by blowing yourself up, then you should be shot.

I'm not too keen on this, but doesn't Guantanamo torture their prisoners? (Again, I've never lived in USA and I don't know anything)

[QUOTE=The Epidemic;17942824]I'm not too keen on this, but doesn't Guantanamo torture their prisoners? (Again, I've never lived in USA and I don't know anything)[/QUOTE] Theres a few "Torture Scandals" but it's aload of crap, of course a few techniques you could count as torture, but compare the US to a Islamic Country, their they cut your arms off for Stealing, the most the US does was a drowing technique, Where they dunk your head in water for about 30 seconds, pull it out, unharmed, but your body thinks your drowing, great technique to get someone to talk. "Human Rights"... What Human rights do people like that deserve? The right to live? Maybe, The right to get away with it? No Fucking Way.

obamas fucking everything up

[QUOTE=Killergam;17942858] "Human Rights"... What Human rights do people like that deserve? The right to live? Maybe, The right to get away with it? No Fucking Way.[/QUOTE] Except they might not have even done anything. Innocent people have been held in Guantanamo Bay simply due to the fear and xenophobia that has gripped America since the September 11th attacks.

what a left wing thing to say

[QUOTE=dirty harry;17942895]Except they might not have even done anything. Innocent people have been held in Guantanamo Bay simply due to the fear and xenophobia that has gripped America since the September 11th attacks.[/QUOTE] Yes, this is true. Everyone in there is completely innocent because America doesn't like them. We simply round up a bunch of people and put them there for the hell of it. :downs:

Our prison system was good enough for Tim McVeigh, I don't see what's so much more dangerous about these people. It's about bloody time we made an effort at sorting through the people we've illegally detained for eight years and getting some trials going.

Mr Obama has set a 22 January deadline for closing the detention centre. Because that's bad right? What with the whole "human rights abuse and torture" thing they have going.

Finally Obama does something useful.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;17943335]Yes, this is true. Everyone in there is completely innocent because America doesn't like them. We simply round up a bunch of people and put them there for the hell of it. :downs:[/QUOTE] He never said everyone in there was innocent. No one can deny that after 9/11, America's Law Enforcement were more keen to imprison people who looked like a threat; even if they in reality were not. Not that this doesn't happen anywhere else, it just happened more after 9/11.

another bill American citizens can't afford

[QUOTE=Killergam;17942858]Theres a few "Torture Scandals" but it's aload of crap, of course a few techniques you could count as torture, but compare the US to a Islamic Country, their they cut your arms off for Stealing, the most the US does was a drowing technique, Where they dunk your head in water for about 30 seconds, pull it out, unharmed, but your body thinks your drowing, great technique to get someone to talk. "Human Rights"... What Human rights do people like that deserve? The right to live? Maybe, The right to get away with it? No Fucking Way.[/QUOTE] Yeah people are just... they make me sick. Oh you can't treat this guy unfairly, he has rights as a human. Lady he cut a 12 year old girl's head off because she wasn't covering up her face with a cloth, what do you care if we make him feel like he's drowning, even though he isn't and won't, when the Info this technique gets will save Lives But you shouldn't take it from me, I'd gladly string up 30 naked burnt extremists corpses from a bridge to save one Innocent life

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;17943430]He never said everyone in there was innocent. No one can deny that after 9/11, America's Law Enforcement were more keen to imprison people who looked like a threat; even if they in reality were not. Not that this doesn't happen anywhere else, it just happened more after 9/11.[/QUOTE] innocent until proven guilty they haven't been tried this is why i think they should keep it open, but put all of them on trial (individually, BLAHBLAH THATS NOT RIGHT), and keep the actually guilty ones in there.

[QUOTE=Killergam;17942858]Theres a few "Torture Scandals" but it's aload of crap, of course a few techniques you could count as torture, but compare the US to a Islamic Country, their they cut your arms off for Stealing, the most the US does was a drowing technique, Where they dunk your head in water for about 30 seconds, pull it out, unharmed, but your body thinks your drowing, great technique to get someone to talk. "Human Rights"... What Human rights do people like that deserve? The right to live? Maybe, The right to get away with it? No Fucking Way.[/QUOTE] Nelson Mandela was imprisoned, after he was released he supported anti-apartheid, and helped lead the change towards a multi-racial democracy in South Africa. People [i]do[/i] change, you know.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;17943455]Yeah people are just... they make me sick. Oh you can't treat this guy unfairly, he has rights as a human. Lady he cut a 12 year old girl's head off because she wasn't covering up her face with a cloth, what do you care if we make him feel like he's drowning, even though he isn't and won't, when the Info this technique gets will save Lives But you shouldn't take it from me, I'd gladly string up 30 naked burnt extremists corpses from a bridge to save one Innocent life[/QUOTE] Americans are too squimish any more. We should export their trials to Saudi Arabia, where they sentenced a man to 5 years in prison and 1000 lashes just for bragging about sex. :buddy:

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;17943496]Americans are too squimish any more. We should export their trials to Saudi Arabia, where they sentenced a man to 5 years in prison and 1000 lashes just for bragging about sex. :buddy:[/QUOTE] Haha I remember that, That's Brutal... but I doubt Saudi Arabia is the place to send convicted terrorists for punishment, after all they did know about 9/11 before it happened, and 80% of those involved were from Saudi Arabia If It were up to me, I'd coat a knife in Pork and stab them to death, Then put out propaganda about how we're dipping all our bullets into Pork, That ought to cut down on attacks in Iraq and Afghanistan

[QUOTE=TheTalon;17943510]Haha I remember that, That's Brutal... but I doubt Saudi Arabia is the place to send convicted terrorists for punishment, after all they did know about 9/11 before it happened, and 80% of those involved were from Saudi Arabia[/QUOTE] Oh! I know! Israel!

[QUOTE=TheTalon;17943510]Haha I remember that, That's Brutal... but I doubt Saudi Arabia is the place to send convicted terrorists for punishment, after all they did know about 9/11 before it happened, and 80% of those involved were from Saudi Arabia If It were up to me, I'd coat a knife in Pork and stab them to death, Then put out propaganda about how we're dipping all our bullets into Pork, That ought to cut down on attacks[/QUOTE] No they didn't... People in Saudi Arabia who are caught affiliated at all with terrorist groups are executed, no questions asked.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;17943335]Yes, this is true. Everyone in there is completely innocent because America doesn't like them. We simply round up a bunch of people and put them there for the hell of it. :downs:[/QUOTE] Actually there have been a few cases where people have been locked up in Guantanamo and tortured only to find out they where innocent.

Good, guantanamo bay should never have existed. It's a torture camp that takes innocent people in without a fair trial, locks them away and tortures them in a way that defies even their most basic human rights. It needs to go, and if Obama closes it he will be doing the right thing. [editline]04:27PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;17943496]Americans are too squimish any more. We should export their trials to Saudi Arabia, where they sentenced a man to 5 years in prison and 1000 lashes just for bragging about sex. :buddy:[/QUOTE] Woah, you're laughing at two things that truly are not laughing matters in one post! Way to go!

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;17943539]No they didn't... People in Saudi Arabia who are caught affiliated at all with terrorist groups are executed, no questions asked.[/QUOTE] Maybe China...I remember hearing on the history channel about a bunch of pirates near China, and the Chinese captured them. Something around 100 people were charged with piracy, sentenced to death, and carried out by firing squad all with in a week. Now that's efficiency :eng101: [editline]10:34AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Negrul1;17943576]Good, guantanamo bay should never have existed. It's a torture camp that takes innocent people in without a fair trial, locks them away and tortures them in a way that defies even their most basic human rights. It needs to go, and if Obama closes it he will be doing the right thing. [editline]04:27PM[/editline] Woah, you're laughing at two things that truly are not laughing matters in one post! Way to go![/QUOTE] You fail at understanding sarcasm :saddowns:

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;17943653]You fail at understanding sarcasim :saddowns:[/QUOTE] You can't even spell sarcasm, what do you know? And if you're making a sarcastic joke about it, you're still making a joke about it.

[QUOTE=Negrul1;17943719]You can't even spell sarcasm, what do you know? And if you're making a sarcastic joke about it, you're still making a joke about it.[/QUOTE] It was a typo, thanks for pointing it out.

Fucking finally. Guantanamo pretty much stood for human rights abuses. [editline]04:50PM[/editline] [QUOTE=The mouse;17943440]another bill American citizens can't afford[/QUOTE] closing down something they are spending money on. nice [editline]04:51PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Killergam;17942858]Theres a few "Torture Scandals" but it's aload of crap, of course a few techniques you could count as torture, but compare the US to a Islamic Country, their they cut your arms off for Stealing, the most the US does was a drowing technique, Where they dunk your head in water for about 30 seconds, pull it out, unharmed, but your body thinks your drowing, great technique to get someone to talk. "Human Rights"... What Human rights do people like that deserve? The right to live? Maybe, The right to get away with it? No Fucking Way.[/QUOTE] 1. Water boarding is absolute torture. I had the argument before in the ol' Conservative forum. It's fucking torture. 2. Your position as a human being cannot be revoked. Human rights are non-negotiable.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;17943847]Fucking finally. Guantanamo pretty much stood for human rights abuses. [editline]04:50PM[/editline] closing down something they are spending money on. nice [editline]04:51PM[/editline] 1. Water boarding is absolute torture. I had the argument before in the ol' Conservative forum. It's fucking torture. 2. Your position as a human being cannot be revoked. Human rights are non-negotiable.[/QUOTE] But water boarding doesn't harm the person in any way. Might scare them a bit into feeling like they're drowning, but it doesn't have any injuries to them.

Alright, here's the thing. 1)Coating a knife/bullet in pork doesn't make sense. It's just like how Jews don't eat pork (I think). If somone forces you like at gunpoint or tricks you and says its something else (and you really believe its something else) then its ok 2) Saudi Arabia [I]would[/I] execute the Terrorists. Actually, Saudi Arabia had its own fair share of Terrorist Attacks on themselves. 3)Not everyone in guantanamo is guilty of doing whatever.

[QUOTE=dirty harry;17942895]Except they might not have even done anything. Innocent people have been held in Guantanamo Bay simply due to the fear and xenophobia that has gripped America since the September 11th attacks.[/QUOTE] except nobody is innocent and this is where your argument falls apart do you see now

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;17943975]But water boarding doesn't harm the person in any way. Might scare them a bit into feeling like they're drowning, but it doesn't have any injuries to them.[/QUOTE] [quote=Just read the wiki article]Dr. Allen Keller, the director of the Bellevue/N.Y.U. Program for Survivors of Torture, has treated "a number of people" who had been subjected to forms of near-asphyxiation, including waterboarding. In an interview for The New Yorker states, "[He] argued that it was indeed torture, 'Some victims were still traumatized years later', he said. One patient couldn't take showers, and panicked when it rained. 'The fear of being killed is a terrifying experience', he said".[7] Keller also stated in his testimony before the Senate that "water-boarding or mock drowning, where a prisoner is bound to an inclined board and water is poured over their face, inducing a terrifying fear of drowning clearly can result in immediate and long-term health consequences. As the prisoner gags and chokes, the terror of imminent death is pervasive, with all of the physiologic and psychological responses expected, including an intense stress response, manifested by tachycardia (rapid heart beat) and gasping for breath. There is a real risk of death from actually drowning or suffering a heart attack or damage to the lungs from inhalation of water. Long term effects include panic attacks, depression and PTSD. I remind you of the patient I described earlier who would panic and gasp for breath whenever it rained even years after his abuse".[/quote] [url]http://intelligence.senate.gov/070925/akeller.pdf#page=6[/url] No physical injuries my ass. Psychological trauma and the chance of heart attack and damage to lungs. [url]http://waterboarding.org/firsthand[/url] Read all of those as well.

Dude, drowning has got to be the worst possible way to die. It hurts so fucking much . . .