Anti-immigrant 'Soldiers of Odin' raise concern in Finland - Polidicks

Source: [url]http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-finland-idUSKCN0UR20G20160113?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews[/url] [QUOTE]Wearing black jackets adorned with a symbol of a Viking and the Finnish flag, the "Soldiers of Odin" have surfaced as self-proclaimed patriots patrolling the streets to protect native Finns from immigrants, worrying the government and police.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On the northern fringes of Europe, Finland has little history of welcoming large numbers of refugees, unlike neighbouring Sweden. But as with other European countries, it is now struggling with a huge increase in asylum seekers and the authorities are wary of any anti-immigrant vigilantism.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]"In our opinion, Islamist intruders cause insecurity and increase crime," the group says on its website. One self-proclaimed member, aiming to recruit new members in the eastern town of Joensuu, said on Facebook the group is "a patriotic organisation that fights for a white Finland".[/QUOTE]

Children of the Elder God would be a better name. [QUOTE]This followed complaints of hundreds of sexual assaults on women in Cologne and other German cities - with investigations focused on illegal migrants and asylum seekers - and allegations that Swedish police covered up accusations of similar assaults by mostly migrant youths in Stockholm..[/QUOTE] Hopefully they aren't harassing innocent Syrians and non-whites and just being community watch. These people have every right to be concerned.

Gotta say, they picked a great name

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49524932] Hopefully they aren't harassing innocent Syrians and non-whites and just being community watch. These people have every right to be concerned.[/QUOTE] I doubt that their true motives is to be a "neighborhood watch" kinda group. That name and description just screams militant neo-paganist wingnuttery to me. This is not the first time a racist political organisation in northern Europe has adopted norse mythology in their image. See: [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigrid_%28Norway%29"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigrid_%28Norway%29[/URL]

Usually it's racists people who care about their own race.

...But the Finnish weren't followers of Germanic Paganism. They had their own religion.

[QUOTE=UnknownDude;49525091]I doubt that their true motives is to be a "neighborhood watch" kinda group. That name and description just screams militant neo-paganist wingnuttery to me. This is not the first time a racist political organisation in northern Europe has adopted norse mythology in their image. See: [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigrid_%28Norway%29"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigrid_%28Norway%29[/URL][/QUOTE] I wonder how people would react if there was the "Army of Christ" walking around in, say, Munich.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49525137]I wonder how people would react if there was the "Army of Christ" walking around in, say, Munich.[/QUOTE] The Klu Klux Klan is a christian organization and is quite hated.

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;49525129]...But the Finnish weren't followers of Germanic Paganism. They had their own religion.[/QUOTE] Neo-nazis/odinists aren't well known for their grasp of historical knowledge.

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;49525129]...But the Finnish weren't followers of Germanic Paganism. They had their own religion.[/QUOTE] Hyper-nationalist tend not to read about things related to actual cultural history or read in general

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;49525129]...But the Finnish weren't followers of Germanic Paganism. They had their own religion.[/QUOTE] A lot of neonazis and white supremacists has fallen unto old viking religion to pretend they are modern vikings or something.

I knew shit like this was going to happen sooner or later

Xenophobes with a background of violence looking for a justification to continue their self-expression. I'm much more scared of these kind of people than the average refugees.

Okay, again, let's think of this. Imagine if a group of angry, probably armed men calling themselves the "United Army of Christ" began marching around in the streets of Munich, saying that they will "protect" the "natural order" of things, and other sorts of BS. I would feel far more threatened by them than I would someone who happens to be non-white, which is probably the main target for these "defense groups". If people will call out the bizarre militias in the US, they should call them out in Europe too. They're the same damned thing, except the latter are racially/religiously motivated, which is even scarier.

[QUOTE=Fourier;49525118]Usually it's racists people who care about their own race.[/QUOTE] You can care about your own race without being a racist. I care a lot about the plight of black people here and abroad, but I don't do around screaming "fuck whitey" and what not because being a racist tends to make more problems than it solves. Them vs Us breeds hate, seperation, and paranoia.

[QUOTE=Talishmar;49525290]Xenophobes with a background of violence looking for a justification to continue their self-expression. I'm much more scared of these kind of people than the average refugees.[/QUOTE] The article explicitly states that these "Soldiers of Odin" have never once clashed with any immigrants, as reported by the police. Probably should have read the article huh? [QUOTE] no clashes have been reported between the Soldiers of Odin patrols and immigrants [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Worstcase;49525370]The article explicitly states that these "Soldiers of Odin" have never once clashed with any immigrants, as reported by the police. Probably should have read the article huh?[/QUOTE] Yes, and I hope they continue to be nonviolent. What bothers me and others is that an organization headed by a neo-nazi* that is probably populated by other neo-nazis and odinists is patrolling the streets. *Source for the leader who identifies as a national socialist (nazi):[url]http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.2076/finland-soldiers-of-odin-patrol-kemi-streets.html[/url]

As a Viking historical reenactor and Norse mythology enthusiast, I'm always saddened by racists taking these symbols and ideals and using them for nationalism

[QUOTE=axelord157;49525477] *Source for the leader who identifies as a national socialist (nazi):[url]http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.2076/finland-soldiers-of-odin-patrol-kemi-streets.html[/url][/QUOTE] Some people just don't let go of terms. Sure you're a socialist and a nationalist but the term that combines these has been tainted a bit too. [QUOTE=Teddybeer;49525349]Going too far back, they want to go along with the version the third Reich started to develop for a while (and mainly existed on paper only instead of it being a movement or such) probably.[/QUOTE] Dunno, scandinavian culture was pretty primitive during the "viking age" and the vikings going around stealing, raping and enslaving all across Europe isn't really a thing you should take pride in.

This isn't an argument about semantics, Ranger. The dude's a nazi, like it or not.

[QUOTE=Asgard;49525513]As a [B]Viking historical reenactor[/B] and Norse mythology enthusiast, I'm always saddened by racists taking these symbols and ideals and using them for nationalism[/QUOTE] Serious question but do you and others from your group get a boat and raid a coastal village populated by other reenactors?

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49525598]Some people just don't let go of terms. Sure you're a socialist and a nationalist but the term that combines these has been tainted a bit too.[/QUOTE] No-one calls themselves a 'National-Socialist' without expressly intending that they be considered a Nazi Rangergxi. Also what the fuck are you going on about with National Socialism being 'tainted a bit'

Nationalism = Racism Racial pride = Racism Cultural pride = Racism Peaceful vigilantes = Worse than Muslim rape gangs The white guilt is [I]strong[/I] here.

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;49525760]No-one calls themselves a 'National-Socialist' without expressly intending that they be considered a Nazi Rangergxi. Also what the fuck are you going on about with National Socialism being [B]'tainted a bit'[/B][/QUOTE] Don't get on Ranger's ass. One day, you're chilling with the bros, drinking a couple brews and smoking a little ganja cause it's the weekend - then BLAME - you form a political ideology called national socialism and screw up the whole thing by trying to exterminate an entire race of people. These things happen. They taint things... a bit.

Can someone start an anti soldiers of Odin called Thor's drinking buddies?

[QUOTE=Lurr;49525800]Nationalism = Racism Racial pride = Racism Cultural pride = Racism Peaceful vigilantes = Worse than Muslim rape gangs The white guilt is [I]strong[/I] here.[/QUOTE] The /pol/ is coming from inside the forums :tinfoil:

[QUOTE=Lurr;49525800]Nationalism = Racism Racial pride = Racism Cultural pride = Racism Peaceful vigilantes = Worse than Muslim rape gangs The white guilt is [I]strong[/I] here.[/QUOTE] No sane person will ever give a Polish person shit for going to a Polish pride convention. No sane person will ever give a German person shit for going to a German pride convention. Any sane person will give a white person shit for going to a white pride convention. Seriously, google Polish, German, then white pride and you'll get some very thought-provoking links and images with the last. All these "white pride world wide" dumbasses did a self-fulfilling prophecy of making white pride being seen as racist, militant, and tolerant of political violence. Yeah Muslim rape gangs suck donkey balls, but throwing in patrolling neo-nazis who probably have violent criminal records is a great thing to pour into the mix, right? Peaceful vigilantes is an oxymoron.

[QUOTE=axelord157;49525903]No sane person will ever give a Polish person shit for going to a Polish pride convention. No sane person will ever give a German person shit for going to a German pride convention. Any sane person will give a white person shit for going to a white pride convention. Seriously, google Polish, German, then white pride and you'll get some very thought-provoking links and images with the last. All these "white pride world wide" dumbasses did a self-fulfilling prophecy of making white pride being seen as racist, militant, and tolerant of political violence. Yeah Muslim rape gangs suck donkey balls, but throwing in patrolling neo-nazis who probably have violent criminal records is a great thing to pour into the mix, right? Peaceful vigilantes is an oxymoron.[/QUOTE] Seeing someone expressing German pride feels odd though.

[QUOTE=Stolons;49525919]Seeing someone expressing German pride feels odd though.[/QUOTE] As long as they stay away from heil hitler shit, German pride is pretty benign and good.

[QUOTE=axelord157;49525903]No sane person will ever give a Polish person shit for going to a Polish pride convention. No sane person will ever give a German person shit for going to a German pride convention. Any sane person will give a white person shit for going to a white pride convention. Seriously, google Polish, German, then white pride and you'll get some very thought-provoking links and images with the last. All these "white pride world wide" dumbasses did a self-fulfilling prophecy of making white pride being seen as racist, militant, and tolerant of political violence. Yeah Muslim rape gangs suck donkey balls, but throwing in patrolling neo-nazis who probably have violent criminal records is a great thing to pour into the mix, right? Peaceful vigilantes is an oxymoron.[/QUOTE] I'm not really sure what you're saying here, so its wrong to have white pride because the association is linked to racism and violence? Also most people group Germans into the category of being white so.