Discussion about the "Uncrackable" DRM Denuvo, claimed to kill SSDs due to write cycles
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"Resource monitors for RAM and CPU consumption numbers, memory viewer for trying to figure out what makes it tick and track address issues, SSD analysis tools for those delicious dead blocks and data tracking.
Wanna know average number of times parts of LotF exe code are fcked around between RAM and HDD in the span of one hour? 150000 copy/write iterations. That's about 10000 times more than usual. DRM constantly decrypts the game code into the memory and encrypts it back. This is the most bull**** usage of encryption software I've ever stumbled upon. And even though code chunks are quite small (couple of kilobytes per go at worst), they are all stored in one memory block. And playing the game for 4-8 hours(depends on SSD quality) means that you can say goodbye to that block."
Source: [url]www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/the-dragon-age-inquisition-thread-ride-the-bull.75304/page-355#post-3599880[/url]
So check your install folder for Origin games.
You might want to switch over to your hard disk drive with spinning iron plates instead of sacrificing the life of your solid state drive too early.
Denuvo is also used by "Lords of the Fallen" and FIFA 15 so far.
I think a lot of games will follow.
Actually, this would be a good time for crackers to circumvent this protection method since Denuvo will actively destroy hardware over time.
I am waiting for the first complaints and lawsuits due to destroyed hardware caused by Denuvo. Sony should probably put some money on the side for those lawsuits.[/quote]
Source: [url]www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/the-dragon-age-inquisition-thread-ride-the-bull.75304/page-355#post-3599880[/url]
For anyone that isn't following this thing, Denuvo is a DRM that encrypts and decrypts itself while you play the game so it's extremely difficult to crack. If these numbers are true, SSD users are fucked and it isn't doing anyone any favors with their normal hard drives.
New information has come out
[quote]From a russian forum:
"The game's read\write operations per 40 minutes resulted in 30 GB of data processed. The number of operations done is insane.
SSD's wear level hasn't changed though, however, the load is EXTREMELY high, so after, say, 100 hours of gameplay memory blocks will definitely start to wear down."
Screenshot before/after:
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Games that use Denuvo
Dragon Age Inquisition
Lords of the Fallen
FIFA 15
Let's hope the list doesn't grow any longer.
its going to be cracked. they see this as nothing but a challenge.
also this is retarded.
God fucking damnit
Well, fuck.
[QUOTE=SexualShark;46514216]its going to be cracked. they see this as nothing but a challenge.[/QUOTE]
Thank Christ GTAV isn't using this shit. Imagine how many SSDs would die with the crazy long campaign and GTA:Online.
We now have DRM that actually breaks your computer. What's next? DRM that turns your computer into an active warhead
At least the game industry wont get killed am I right guys
[QUOTE=Liem;46514226]We now have DRM that actually breaks your computer. What's next? DRM that turns your computer into an active warhead[/QUOTE]
I've heard rumors that is what SecuROM used to do back in the day :v:
A+. Literally fucking your high-end consumers.
Hello lawsuits. People need to make the sacrifice and run games with this long and hard just for the express purpose of having a reason to take them to task for it.
If this is true, piracy is literally the better option, there's no defending it
So instead of having their games pirated some marginal percentage of the time.
They choose to actively make us not buy them, by having the games tear up our hardware.
Yeah sounds about as retarded as something id expect from the AAA games industry.
i wanna know what the folks that defended this horrible DRM on the other thread have to say now :v:
As per usual the customer gets fucked by DRM.
[QUOTE=Korova;46514220]Thank Christ GTAV isn't using this shit. Imagine how many SSDs would die with the crazy long campaign and GTA:Online.[/QUOTE]
GTAV is going to be using Denuvo....
Edit: thank god.
[QUOTE=Korova;46514237]I've heard rumors that is what SecuROM used to do back in the day :v:[/QUOTE]
It did. It disabled burners
[editline]18th November 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=nomad1;46514249]GTAV is going to be using Denuvo....[/QUOTE]
It's not and that's official.
[QUOTE=Liem;46514226]We now have DRM that actually breaks your computer. What's next? DRM that turns your computer into an active warhead[/QUOTE]
[t]http://www.fieldbrook.net/TechTips/images/computer_bomb.jpg[/t]
only in this case drm
This is an example of a case where it's better to pirate a game rather than actually buying it.
I'm literally rolling on the floor laughing.
Regain 5% of your sales from people who can't pirate on day one.
Lose 50% of your sales because your DRM destroys SSDs.
-snip welp
[QUOTE=nomad1;46514249]GTAV is going to be using Denuvo....[/QUOTE]
Luckily it was debunked. However Rockstar is on the partner list so I weep for future titles.
[url]http://www.incgamers.com/2014/11/grand-theft-auto-v-will-not-use-denuvo-drm-says-company-co-owner[/url]
-snip someone posted it-
[QUOTE=Empty_Shadow;46514266]I'm literally rolling on the floor laughing.
Regain 5% of your sales from people who can't pirate on day one.
Lose 50% of your sales because your DRM destroys SSDs.[/QUOTE]
it's so ironic that DRM actually causes more piracy / or just less sales
you may as well let people pirate the game
[QUOTE=Boilrig;46514270]Since this is going into GTA V, unlike an average game, people will spend a lot of time in game which is going to cause the issues that this article is stating.[/QUOTE]
FOR FUCKS SAKE
[url]http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/11/06/grand-theft-auto-v-pc-version-to-use-denuvo-drm-on-top-of-steam/[/url]
What's even worse about all of this is how it writes data. Anyone who knows a thing or two about storage knows that a typical mechanical drive, even some badass RAID array, can slow to a crawl when reading or writing tons of small files. This thing will be writing tons of small files all while you play a game, a game which will also be loading information out of the HDD and into RAM.
This DRM not only kills your SSDs, but it will also significantly impact performance. Who the hell thought this was a good idea?
God damn. I figured it would be shitty, but actively destroying hardware? Jesus.
Wonder how much faster the game would run if it didn't have to constantly decrypt the content...
Have they noticed a similar result with Dragon Age and FIFA as well?
Is there another source for this? One or two random guys on one forum talking about it is not enough for me to instantly believe it right away. Are there some other people saying something similar or some tech analysis sites confirming it?
[QUOTE=RichyZ;46514261]that its bad?
there was nothing indicating that it was a bad drm in the other thread[/QUOTE]
DRM in general are bad, but we need extreme examples to show up, for people to realize why DRM is a bad idea i guess(and remember, because this isn't the first nor last horrible DRM out there), the more people accept DRM, the more likely for shitty ones to appear.
and it got cracked...
[editline]18th November 2014[/editline]
Not posting link because you know, warez.
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