Guy who owned a gun store went bankrupt and then got thrown in jail for refusing to toss over passwo - Polidicks

[url]http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/texan-goes-bankrupt-then-to-jail-for-refusing-to-share-social-media-passwords-1.2455542[/url] [quote=CTV/AP]A Texas man used social media to promote his gun store, posting politically charged messages that criticized the president and promoted Second Amendment rights. But after losing ownership of his suburban Houston store in bankruptcy, Jeremy Alcede spent nearly seven weeks in jail for refusing a federal judge's order to share with the new owner the passwords of the business' Facebook and Twitter accounts, which the judge had declared property. "It's all about silencing my voice," said Alcede, who was released in May after turning over the information. "... Any 3-year-old can look at this and tell this is my Facebook account and not the company's." Alcede's ultimately failed stand charts new territory in awarding property in bankruptcy proceedings and points to the growing importance of social media accounts as business assets. Legal experts say it also provides a lesson for all business owners who are active on social media.[/quote] On one hand it's bullshit, on the other hand could he not have used something like TweetDeck's teams feature so that the new owner would also have access too without needing to give up complete control?

If it's tied to his business and was how he brought in his countries I don't see the issue here. Then again if I was the new owner I wouldn't want to be associated with him or his brand.

If it's the business's name and setup to promote that business, it belongs to that buisness

Don't see why he couldn't just make a post about the business being sold, say he's got another personal account and move to that and hand over the existing one?

It might be better policy in general to just rename the account and have the new owners make their own account. It's pretty iffy to be giving "ownership" of internet accounts especially with private info that could be in even a business account, especially small business, youd gain access to private message records, email history, contact support and you could probably harvest a lot more.

[QUOTE=Mattk50;48133815]It might be better policy in general to just rename the account and have the new owners make their own account. It's pretty iffy to be giving "ownership" of internet accounts especially with private info that could be in even a business account, especially small business, youd gain access to private message records, email history, contact support and you could probably harvest a lot more.[/QUOTE] But the new owner already has all the old owners contacts

[QUOTE=Rents;48133774]Don't see why he couldn't just make a post about the business being sold, say he's got another personal account and move to that and hand over the existing one?[/QUOTE] Well if I had to guess, he doesn't seem like the reasonable type from the things he's said and done.

If he kept it, couldn't the store just sue him for libel and obtain it that way or at least get it taken down? [editline]6th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Mattk50;48133815]It might be better policy in general to just rename the account and have the new owners make their own account. It's pretty iffy to be giving "ownership" of internet accounts especially with private info that could be in even a business account, especially small business, youd gain access to private message records, email history, contact support and you could probably harvest a lot more.[/QUOTE] You're afraid the business may have access to business emails, then? Or do you mean the man's personal messages to people that ideally shouldn't have been used through a business account in the first place?

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;48133871]If he kept it, couldn't the store just sue him for libel and obtain it that way or at least get it taken down? [editline]6th July 2015[/editline] You're afraid the business may have access to business emails, then? Or do you mean the man's personal messages to people that ideally shouldn't have been used through a business account in the first place?[/QUOTE] obviously he wouldnt have access to his personal emails, i meant emails sent by the website itself, there are ways to get at that kind of shit. it gets a bit iffy depending on which site you're talking about. But yes, personal messages. A small business owner of a certain age is likely to only to have one kind of account or whatever. There are obviously better ways to do it, but as some random gun shop owner with your one twitter account you used to talk to friends and family a few times things get weird.

[QUOTE]"It's all about silencing my voice," [/QUOTE] Why do right wingers always think the government is out to get them? Maybe youre being prosecuted because you didn't follow simple instructions, you fucking nut.

Why the fuck does he have to give up his facebook and twitter passwords just because he had a business tied to them? They're his for HIS business, if the new owners of the businesses really wanted the passwords they should have asked the guy outright instead of getting the government to do it for them, and even if the guy said no, guess what? What's so hard about making a new email, facebook, twitter,etc that you have %100 control over and no possibility of making someone serve fucking jail time for? [editline]6th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Tmaxx;48134339]Why do right wingers always think the government is out to get them? Maybe youre being prosecuted because you didn't follow simple instructions, you fucking nut.[/QUOTE] A man was sent to jail because the person who bought his business was too much of a lazy fuck to set up their own facebook/twitter accounts and instead had the original owner sent to jail over [b]passwords[/b]. He may be a "right wing nutter" but for fucks sake, you're legitimizing sending someone to jail over something so trivial and stupid that right now, you're on par with his right wing radicalism.

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;48134382]Why the fuck does he have to give up his facebook and twitter passwords just because he had a business tied to them? They're his for HIS business, if the new owners of the businesses really wanted the passwords they should have asked the guy outright instead of getting the government to do it for them, and even if the guy said no, guess what? What's so hard about making a new email, facebook, twitter,etc that you have %100 control over and no possibility of making someone serve fucking jail time for? [editline]6th July 2015[/editline] A man was sent to jail because the person who bought his business was too much of a lazy fuck to set up their own facebook/twitter accounts and instead had the original owner sent to jail over [b]passwords[/b]. He may be a "right wing nutter" but for fucks sake, you're legitimizing sending someone to jail over something so trivial and stupid that right now, you're on par with his right wing radicalism.[/QUOTE] Judge ruled that the accounts were considered property of the business. The person who bought the business thus owns those accounts as well.

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;48134382]Why the fuck does he have to give up his facebook and twitter passwords just because he had a business tied to them? They're his for HIS business, if the new owners of the businesses really wanted the passwords they should have asked the guy outright instead of getting the government to do it for them, and even if the guy said no, guess what? What's so hard about making a new email, facebook, twitter,etc that you have %100 control over and no possibility of making someone serve fucking jail time for?[/QUOTE] They're not his Facebook and Twitter accounts, they belong to his business. Not giving them up to the new owner is like refusing to give the new owner access to the back room where all the customer accounts are stored.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48134448]Judge ruled that the accounts were considered property of the business. The person who bought the business thus owns those accounts as well.[/QUOTE] I know this, it's still god damn retarded. Nothing as simple as the set up of an email or a social media account deserves fucking jail time.

I don't get it, had he made a Facebook page for the gun store from his Facebook account he would have to give him his Facebook account info and that includes his own Facebook profile and such. You can't go to jail over this. Come on, America.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;48134452]They're not his Facebook and Twitter accounts, they belong to his business. Not giving them up to the new owner is like refusing to give the new owner access to the back room where all the customer accounts are stored.[/QUOTE] No it's not, because they're not federally mandated records, for all we know it could have included private correspondence that he didn't want to share with another business, because after all they're his accounts to do as he pleases with.

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;48134463]No it's not, because they're not federally mandated records, for all we know it could have included private correspondence that he didn't want to share with another business, because after all they're his accounts to do as he pleases with.[/QUOTE] But they're business correspondences. It's the digital version of what would have been stored in a filing cabinet 20 years ago.

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;48134463]No it's not, because they're not federally mandated records, for all we know it could have included private correspondence that he didn't want to share with another business, because after all they're his accounts to do as he pleases with.[/QUOTE] It's not another business though, it's the same one, just that he doesn't own it any more and has to hand all of that over to the new guy.

From the article it doesn't sound like he was using it for his business, more as a personal soapbox.

[QUOTE=plunger435;48134739]From the article it doesn't sound like he was using it for his business, more as a personal soapbox.[/QUOTE] That's mostly his problem though. I could write anti-Obama screed all over my shop windows, that doesn't mean I get to take the windows with me before transferring ownership of the business.

[QUOTE=plunger435;48134739]From the article it doesn't sound like he was using it for his business, more as a personal soapbox.[/QUOTE] Pretty irrelevant if the name of the business is on the accounts.

I'm not sure if you can, but couldn't he just change the name of the facebook and have the new owner make one in its name?

[img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5483751/Photos/2015-07-06_19-24-26.png[/img] Guess what it states there? [quote]Will Totes gun store be the authorized and official representation of this establishment, business or venue on Facebook?[/quote] That right there makes it property of the business and not the person. As the judge rightfully so decided. [editline]6th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=plunger435;48134790]I'm not sure if you can, but couldn't he just change the name of the facebook and have the new owner make one in its name?[/QUOTE] No, that's not how a business page works.

[QUOTE=mobrockers;48134798][img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5483751/Photos/2015-07-06_19-24-26.png[/img] Guess what it states there? That right there makes it property of the business and not the person. As the judge rightfully so decided. [editline]6th July 2015[/editline] No, that's not how a business page works.[/QUOTE] Oh! Never even knew it has an option for businesses, this all makes a lot more sense then. That's pretty cut and dry then, should have used a personal page if he wanted to keep it.

The ownership of an internet account seems tricky, legal-wise. Could he have argued that he had lost the password to his FB account?

[QUOTE=NMDanny;48135078]The ownership of an internet account seems tricky, legal-wise. Could he have argued that he had lost the password to his FB account?[/QUOTE] He would probably have to do a password reset and have the new password supplied likely.