Nearly half of doctor-assisted suicides in Belgium are not consented - Polidicks

[quote=DailyMail]A high proportion of deaths classed as euthanasia in Belgium involved patients who did not ask for their lives to be ended, a study found. More than 100 nurses admitted to researchers that they had taken part in 'terminations without request or consent'. Although euthanasia is legal in Belgium, it is governed by strict rules which state it should be carried out only by a doctor and with the patient's permission. The disturbing revelation - which shows that nurses regularly go well beyond their legal role - raises fears that were assisted suicides allowed in Britain, they could never be properly regulated. Since its legalisation eight years ago, euthanasia now accounts for 2 per cent of deaths in Belgium - or around 2,000 a year. The researchers found that a fifth of nurses admitted being involved in the assisted suicide of a patient. But nearly half of these - 120 of 248 - also said there was no consent. 'The nurses in our study operated beyond the legal margins of their profession,' said the report's authors in the Canadian Medical Association Journal. It is likely many nurses ' under-reported' their involvement for fear of admitting an illegal activity, the study said. But it added that many were probably acting according to their patients' wishes, 'even if there was no explicit request'. Last night, Dr Peter Saunders, director of the Care Not Killing campaign in Britain, said: 'We should take a warning from this that wherever you draw the line, people will go up to it and beyond it.' 'Once you have legalised voluntary euthanasia, involuntary euthanasia will inevitably follow,' he added. But pro -euthanasia group Dignity in Dying said rules that see the patient taking their own life, rather than a doctor administering the drugs, could still work.[/quote] Why would anyone do this? I thought doctors were supposed to [I]help[/I] people. Killing people most certainly is not helping them. [URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1285423/Half-Belgiums-euthanasia-nurses-admit-killing-consent.html"]SOURCE[/URL]

That's fucked up.

But surely it's just murder if there's no consent?

[QUOTE=the_KMM;22605261]Why would anyone do this? I thought doctors were supposed to [I]help[/I] people. Killing people most certainly is not helping them. [/QUOTE] Sadly, often times it is.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;22605424]Sadly, often times it is.[/QUOTE] Not [I]without their permission.[/I]

If there's no consent it's not doctor assisted suicide, it's just murder.

I don't get how it could be without consent. Exactly what happens?

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;22605455]I don't get how it could be without consent. Exactly what happens?[/QUOTE] Nurse kills patient fills out forms that would classify it as doctor-assisted suicide [editline]01:05PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Bassplaya7;22605447]If there's no consent it's not doctor assisted suicide, it's just murder.[/QUOTE] Using the pretense of doctor-assisted suicide

[QUOTE=the_KMM;22605441]Not [I]without their permission.[/I][/QUOTE] Of course. That is murder, and medical malpractice. It is [i]not[/i] euthanasia or a doctor assisted suicide. Also, this stuff happens a lot even when euthanasia is illegal. There have been many cases of nurses killing their patients, especially when the person is old and DNR. [editline]05:08PM[/editline] Also, you would think they would have to have a signature from either the patient or the person with the power of attorney over the patient. If it's that easy to get away with murder then there really needs to be some reform in the law.

Uh huh, and which institute conducted the research? Who asked the questions, who did they ask, where did they ask them? Frankly, the source does not dispel my cynicism with anything reported by a tabloid. We're massively opposed to euthanasia in Britain because (despite what the tabloids report) we are predominately Christian in mindset, and obey the commandment "Thou shalt not kill", no matter what the circumstances are. It should also be noted that suicide is deeply frowned upon in Christianity, no matter the circumstances. I'm calling bullshit on this one.

[img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_huQusWshM-o/SjByaI2eT6I/AAAAAAAAABc/arQTq2aH8yg/s320/medic1.gif[/img] Whoops, zat was not medicine.

daily mail lol

And that's the problem with active euthanasia. [editline]06:39PM[/editline] [QUOTE=JDK721;22606190]daily mail lol[/QUOTE] More like Daily Fail.

I wonder how many of those people who were "put down" couldn't pay their bills for much longer...

[QUOTE=rantingsocks;22608034]I wonder how many of those people who were "put down" couldn't pay their bills for much longer...[/QUOTE] Belgium has universal health care. [editline]01:53PM[/editline] [QUOTE=the_KMM;22605471]Nurse kills patient fills out forms that would classify it as doctor-assisted suicide[/QUOTE] No, I mean how do they kill the patient without him knowing? Is he unconscious or what? If he is conscious either they force it upon him or trick him into it.

[QUOTE=Ironic Man;22606162][img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_huQusWshM-o/SjByaI2eT6I/AAAAAAAAABc/arQTq2aH8yg/s320/medic1.gif[/img] Whoops, zat was not medicine.[/QUOTE] Zat... was [B]doctor assisted homicide[/B] *snap*.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;22609159] No, I mean how do they kill the patient without him knowing? Is he unconscious or what? If he is conscious either they force it upon him or trick him into it.[/QUOTE] They need to ask a family member or someone with power of attorney. Usually it is someone who is close to the person so that they'll know what the patient would want. And before they remove the life support, they usually give the patient pain relievers to help them through it. In America, human euthanasia is illegal, but removing life support isn't.

Doctor assisted suicide. Um, what?

[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;22610230]They need to ask a family member or someone with power of attorney. Usually it is someone who is close to the person so that they'll know what the patient would want. And before they remove the life support, they usually give the patient pain relievers to help them through it. In America, human euthanasia is illegal, but removing life support isn't.[/QUOTE] Actually I believe it's legal in my state(Washington).

oh well daily mail that sounds reliable for this sort of thing

[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;22610230]They need to ask a family member or someone with power of attorney. Usually it is someone who is close to the person so that they'll know what the patient would want. And before they remove the life support, they usually give the patient pain relievers to help them through it. In America, human euthanasia is illegal, but removing life support isn't.[/QUOTE] If the person is still cognizant, the decision is theirs.

[QUOTE=the_KMM;22611053]If the person is still cognizant, the decision is theirs.[/QUOTE] Yes, the scenario I was assuming was that they where either unconscious or comatose.

I want to know why the nurses did it. Make their day easier with one less patient?

[QUOTE=AbysalRush;22612886]I want to know why the nurses did it. Make their day easier with one less patient?[/QUOTE] Some nurses are straight sociopaths.

At first I was shocked. Then I read "Daily Mail".

Stop the puns, this is deathly serious. Though Daily Mail did put down the believability of this article.

[QUOTE=Saza;22615038]Stop the puns, this is deathly serious. Though Daily Mail did put down the believability of this article.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Saza;22571801]That's deathly serious. I bet some bad puns will be put down.[/QUOTE] I sure as fuck hope your puns will be put down for good.

v:v:v

All this deathly serious talk has reminded me of Dav0r's deadly serious warnings.

[QUOTE=Saza;22616355]v:v:v[/QUOTE] :zoid: